George Karl no longer in the loop for the draft decisions

[Roy H.]

Good for Sacramento. Next step is to fire that trouble-maker.

the trouble maker who has a very good track record. While protecting a crybaby who has lead your team to nowhere.   Made you go through 3 or 4 coaching changes.

A trouble maker who has isolated Ray Allen, Shawn Kemp, Rafer Alston, Kendall Gill, Carmelo Anthony, JR Smith, Ty Lawson, Demarcus Cousins, and notorious bad guy Andre Iguodala.

[hpantazo]

I've never liked Karl as a coach myself. I've always seen him as an overrated , pompous fool. I never understood why the Kings hired him to begin with. Losing your franchise player over him is insane.

[saltlover]

Isn't that how the game is played in Sacramento?  The owner created a Lord of the Flies situation over there by ousting Malone, openly courting Karl with Corbin as coach, then hiring Divac out of nowhere and letting D'Alessandro find out the completely non-qualified Divac is his new boss through the media.  Of course Karl is going to jockey for power, because that's how it apparently works over there.

Ranadive is giving Dolan a run for his money.

[celticsfan8591]

I guess Vivek is coming around somewhat as an owner.  If the Kings do indeed fire Karl, to me that's Vivek acknowledging that he screwed up by replacing Mike Malone with Karl and making the best of the situation.  That sure beats compounding the mistake by siding with his handpicked coach over his extremely talented (and much less replaceable) star player.

I would not necessarily assume that Ranadive is a better owner because he is firing another coach.

Well Kings management has made mostly poor decisions since he took over and this would be a good one.  Sure, it could be a fluke, but you don't think he could be getting better?

[blink]

If it is bad enough to come down to Karl or Cousins, I say you keep Cousins. 

But the real Q in all this is how did they get so far into all this with the Sac FO not knowing that Karl wanted boogie out?  I mean isn't that the 1st question you ask at an interview..."so what players would you keep and what ones should we get rid of?"

I know, I know, rational thought doesn't exist in that FO, but still cmon.  What a mess.

[blink]

I've never liked Karl as a coach myself. I've always seen him as an overrated , pompous fool. I never understood why the Kings hired him to begin with. Losing your franchise player over him is insane.

(falls in line behind this guy)

[SHAQATTACK]

The owner is choosing Boogie over Karl.  This should make all fans of other teams who dream of Boogie getting traded very sad.  He's not going anywhere.

That pretty much nailed it.

Just a matter of tine ,but it happened sooooo quick ....him or me ......we know how that scenario will play out

I figured at some point Karl would see or test the waters ......if the owner REALY had his back .....or would it be the same ol .....more of suck up to everything Boogie wants

Revolving door of coaches.




I think Boogie eventually goes to Heat ....where Pat Riley can handle him behind the scenes and soft spoken coach Spo can hold his hand and not argue with Cousins .

[fairweatherfan]

You can be a good coach in the sense of having a good basketball mind but being insufferable on a personal level.  That seems like Karl.  He's smart enough to get a roster to win a lot of games (remember, he took a fairly similar Nuggets roster to 57 wins), but people get sick of him in a hurry.

[sahara]

George Karl always reminded me of John Lithgow, so I´ve always had some sympathy for him (because I love John Lithgow).



But if he really wants to get rid of DMC, I´m thinking Lithgow would do a better job than him.

[ThaPreacher]

If Karl was in fact organizing a mutiny on the team, he should be fired for cause.

Ouch.  Cousins by many accounts is hard to motivate and hard to coach. (Doesn't listen). 
Frankly, I can understand George Karl's desire to remedy this.  Taking a coach out of a draft loop is foolish. Better to select a different coach.  Seems to me that ownership is a large part of the problem.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Isn't that how the game is played in Sacramento?  The owner created a Lord of the Flies situation over there by ousting Malone, openly courting Karl with Corbin as coach, then hiring Divac out of nowhere and letting D'Alessandro find out the completely non-qualified Divac is his new boss through the media.  Of course Karl is going to jockey for power, because that's how it apparently works over there.

Ranadive is giving Dolan a run for his money.

I agree, but to a degree. I like Vivek, I like his energy and what he's trying to accomplish for that franchise. There's a learning curve for him for sure, but I for a franchise that has been in the toilet for the past decade+, I think his energy and enthusiasm is a bit of a plus. Worth keeping an eye on how he becomes more accustomed to the NBA world.

Not sure about the qualifications of Divac or not, but if he genuinely brought him to give him the real reigns of player movement, then I think that's a step in the right direction, particularly from a delegation of powers context. Hard to let go of the reins you're currently holding, but if the intention is to let go, then it's worth keeping an eye to see what comes out of this.

In all, I'm interested in how that franchise comports itself going forward after being in the brink of extinction recently.

[dreamgreen]

Karl is done in Sactown. You don't pick a new coach over your superstar!

[Roy H.]

If Karl was in fact organizing a mutiny on the team, he should be fired for cause.

Ouch.  Cousins by many accounts is hard to motivate and hard to coach. (Doesn't listen). 
Frankly, I can understand George Karl's desire to remedy this.  Taking a coach out of a draft loop is foolish. Better to select a different coach.  Seems to me that ownership is a large part of the problem.

Taking the issue of whether Cousins is a problem child out of the equation...  is there *any* situation where it's okay to divide your own locker room by pitting some players against others in a struggle for control over certain personnel moves?

[ThaPreacher]

If Karl was in fact organizing a mutiny on the team, he should be fired for cause.

Ouch.  Cousins by many accounts is hard to motivate and hard to coach. (Doesn't listen). 
Frankly, I can understand George Karl's desire to remedy this.  Taking a coach out of a draft loop is foolish. Better to select a different coach.  Seems to me that ownership is a large part of the problem.

Taking the issue of whether Cousins is a problem child out of the equation...  is there *any* situation where it's okay to divide your own locker room by pitting some players against others in a struggle for control over certain personnel moves?

Personnel moves should be left to management.
But lets face it, Sac is a mess.  If the head coach isn't in the draft loop and management doesn't support the coach, they should go in a different direction. 

[crimson_stallion]

Good for Sacramento. Next step is to fire that trouble-maker.

the trouble maker who has a very good track record. While protecting a crybaby who has lead your team to nowhere.   Made you go through 3 or 4 coaching changes.

Teams get rid of top tier coaches all the time for FAR lesser reasons.

Chicago just got rid of Thibs, probably THE most valuable asset on that team and biggest reason for their success.  He's the one consistent person who's been active on that roster through their entire run as a eastern conference power.

Boston 'traded' Doc Rivers to take a chance on a rookie coach.

Things like this happen all the time if the team wants to go in a different direction.

But how often does a team get rid of a 24 yar old, 6'11", 270 pound Center who just averaged 24/14/3/1/1 two seasons in a row and is a force on both ends of the court?  The answer is - you don't, unless you have no other choice. 

Also this whole 'cry baby' talk is childish garbage. 

Cousins plays with passion and heart.  If you're going to call him a cry baby then you're basically calling Kevin Garnett a cry baby, because they have almost the exact same type of personality.

Karl is a moron - whether you like Cousins or not, for a coach to go behind his team's back to try and get rid of their franchise player is a disgraceful and completely unprofessional move.  It's no better than Dwight Howard going behind Van Gundy's back to get him fired, and then acting like his best friend right afterwards. It's disgusting. 

if he pulls off this garbage and ends up getting fired because of it, then I don't know if any team is going to consider picking him up after a fiasco like that.