Which Workout Caught Danny's Eye?

[chambers]

eddie20 , no offense but scouts who think similar to you are the ones that miss out on good players like Draymond Green, Taj Gibson, Boozer etc.

It's not always about needing to 6'10 and over requirement to be a  good pf in the nba.   If you can make a jump shot that is fine, but how else can you impact the game??

The question is, can you play??  How do you help your team?  Both Portis and Mickey were valuable for their college teams.  Mickey was the defensive anchor for the LSU and played center (out of position) for most of the year.  And he still did a fine job.  He can guard multiple positions and is considered the best shot blocking talent of the 2015 draft.  His offensive capability is a bonus.

Mickey has some potential to be a solid defender in the NBA, but you seem to think he's the next coming of Serge Ibaka. The dude is a fringe first round pick and might be a solid role player like a Darrell Arthur with some nice weakside defense.

[Eddie20]

eddie20 , no offense but scouts who think similar to you are the ones that miss out on good players like Draymond Green, Taj Gibson, Boozer etc.

It's not always about needing to 6'10 and over requirement to be a  good pf in the nba.   If you can make a jump shot that is fine, but how else can you impact the game??

The question is, can you play??  How do you help your team?  Both Portis and Mickey were valuable for their college teams.  Mickey was the defensive anchor for the LSU and played center (out of position) for most of the year.  And he still did a fine job.  He can guard multiple positions and is considered the best shot blocking talent of the 2015 draft.  His offensive capability is a bonus.

The things you say, man. Who said that? His mom? The way you go on and on about a fringe level prospect is crazy. How about we let it go and will relive it once the draft comes and goes and Mickey gets drafted where he belongs.

I watched the Draft Combine again and Mickey is a really good shot blocker.  Best in the draft, not sure about that, but he is really good.

We've already had the discussion that undersized college shot blockers don't translate well into the NBA. The 3 best shot blockers prospects are WCS, Towns, and Upshaw in how they translate to the next level.

you really have little to no idea what your talking about

WCS, Towns, Upshaw are trees. So they will be good shot blockers at the next level.  That is how you think

There is a little more than size and decent athleticism = great shot blocker.   

Why don't you next explain to me why Faried is such a poor rebounder??  If you know this is not true, tell me, before he was drafted, what made him a good rebounder and also  how he is such a good rebounder in the nba now?

No, they aren't good shotblockers because they're "trees". They are good shotblockers because they have positional size, length, athleticism, timing, etc. One of the most important things for rim protection is having a solid standing reach coupled with timing. You don't necessarily have to be a great athlete.

Your Faried talk is pointless and nonsensical. Undersized players have been successful rebounders throughout history. This has no correlation to shotblocking.

[Tr1boy]

eddie20 , no offense but scouts who think similar to you are the ones that miss out on good players like Draymond Green, Taj Gibson, Boozer etc.

It's not always about needing to 6'10 and over requirement to be a  good pf in the nba.   If you can make a jump shot that is fine, but how else can you impact the game??

The question is, can you play??  How do you help your team?  Both Portis and Mickey were valuable for their college teams.  Mickey was the defensive anchor for the LSU and played center (out of position) for most of the year.  And he still did a fine job.  He can guard multiple positions and is considered the best shot blocking talent of the 2015 draft.  His offensive capability is a bonus.

Mickey has some potential to be a solid defender in the NBA, but you seem to think he's the next coming of Serge Ibaka. The dude is a fringe first round pick and might be a solid role player like a Darrell Arthur with some nice weakside defense.

He has potential to be better than solid. His pnr defense is excellent. Very good rebounder and very good shot blocker.   Tough post defender.   

Yes he will get pushed around in his 1st year or so but he is not far away, being 240 pounds already.

Imo Mickey will provide the kind of impact Faried has provided for the Nuggets for years.  Except is not as elite of a rebounder but a much better shot blocker.   Mickey won't provide the kind of impact Ibaka has for OKC

[Eddie20]

eddie20 , no offense but scouts who think similar to you are the ones that miss out on good players like Draymond Green, Taj Gibson, Boozer etc.

It's not always about needing to 6'10 and over requirement to be a  good pf in the nba.   If you can make a jump shot that is fine, but how else can you impact the game??

The question is, can you play??  How do you help your team?  Both Portis and Mickey were valuable for their college teams.  Mickey was the defensive anchor for the LSU and played center (out of position) for most of the year.  And he still did a fine job.  He can guard multiple positions and is considered the best shot blocking talent of the 2015 draft.  His offensive capability is a bonus.

Mickey has some potential to be a solid defender in the NBA, but you seem to think he's the next coming of Serge Ibaka. The dude is a fringe first round pick and might be a solid role player like a Darrell Arthur with some nice weakside defense.

Mickey is 6-8 (with shoes!) and only has a standing reach of 8-10. For comparison, WCS is at 9-3, Turner 9-4, Upshaw 9-5, and Towns 9-1.  In college Mickey's reach is decent, but not at the next level.

[Tr1boy]

eddie20 , no offense but scouts who think similar to you are the ones that miss out on good players like Draymond Green, Taj Gibson, Boozer etc.

It's not always about needing to 6'10 and over requirement to be a  good pf in the nba.   If you can make a jump shot that is fine, but how else can you impact the game??

The question is, can you play??  How do you help your team?  Both Portis and Mickey were valuable for their college teams.  Mickey was the defensive anchor for the LSU and played center (out of position) for most of the year.  And he still did a fine job.  He can guard multiple positions and is considered the best shot blocking talent of the 2015 draft.  His offensive capability is a bonus.

The things you say, man. Who said that? His mom? The way you go on and on about a fringe level prospect is crazy. How about we let it go and will relive it once the draft comes and goes and Mickey gets drafted where he belongs.

I watched the Draft Combine again and Mickey is a really good shot blocker.  Best in the draft, not sure about that, but he is really good.

We've already had the discussion that undersized college shot blockers don't translate well into the NBA. The 3 best shot blockers prospects are WCS, Towns, and Upshaw in how they translate to the next level.

you really have little to no idea what your talking about

WCS, Towns, Upshaw are trees. So they will be good shot blockers at the next level.  That is how you think

There is a little more than size and decent athleticism = great shot blocker.   

Why don't you next explain to me why Faried is such a poor rebounder??  If you know this is not true, tell me, before he was drafted, what made him a good rebounder and also  how he is such a good rebounder in the nba now?

No, they aren't good shotblockers because they're "trees". They are good shotblockers because they have positional size, length, athleticism, timing, etc. One of the most important things for rim protection is having a solid standing reach coupled with timing. You don't necessarily have to be a great athlete.

Your Faried talk is pointless and nonsensical. Undersized players have been successful rebounders throughout history. This has no correlation to shotblocking.

the crazy part I keep hearing from you is how undersized Mickey is.     Can you tell me, does it make a difference in the big picture if a guy is 6'8 with a 7'3 wingspan vs a 6'10 guys with a 7 ft wingspan?? Also if that 6'8 guy has a 37 inch vertical?  Mickey already has top 3 max vertical for a pf in the nba .  I don't think you understand how high his max vertical reach is

when you block shots you just don't stand there usually. You need to jump. Especially blocking from standstill or when covering alot of ground

[Eddie20]

eddie20 , no offense but scouts who think similar to you are the ones that miss out on good players like Draymond Green, Taj Gibson, Boozer etc.

It's not always about needing to 6'10 and over requirement to be a  good pf in the nba.   If you can make a jump shot that is fine, but how else can you impact the game??

The question is, can you play??  How do you help your team?  Both Portis and Mickey were valuable for their college teams.  Mickey was the defensive anchor for the LSU and played center (out of position) for most of the year.  And he still did a fine job.  He can guard multiple positions and is considered the best shot blocking talent of the 2015 draft.  His offensive capability is a bonus.

The things you say, man. Who said that? His mom? The way you go on and on about a fringe level prospect is crazy. How about we let it go and will relive it once the draft comes and goes and Mickey gets drafted where he belongs.

I watched the Draft Combine again and Mickey is a really good shot blocker.  Best in the draft, not sure about that, but he is really good.

We've already had the discussion that undersized college shot blockers don't translate well into the NBA. The 3 best shot blockers prospects are WCS, Towns, and Upshaw in how they translate to the next level.

you really have little to no idea what your talking about

WCS, Towns, Upshaw are trees. So they will be good shot blockers at the next level.  That is how you think

There is a little more than size and decent athleticism = great shot blocker.   

Why don't you next explain to me why Faried is such a poor rebounder??  If you know this is not true, tell me, before he was drafted, what made him a good rebounder and also  how he is such a good rebounder in the nba now?

No, they aren't good shotblockers because they're "trees". They are good shotblockers because they have positional size, length, athleticism, timing, etc. One of the most important things for rim protection is having a solid standing reach coupled with timing. You don't necessarily have to be a great athlete.

Your Faried talk is pointless and nonsensical. Undersized players have been successful rebounders throughout history. This has no correlation to shotblocking.

the crazy part I keep hearing from you is how undersized Mickey is.     Can you tell me, does it make a difference in the big picture if a guy is 6'8 with a 7'3 wingspan vs a 6'10 guys with a 7 ft wingspan?? Also if that 6'8 guy has a 37 inch vertical?  Mickey already has top 3 max vertical for a pf in the nba .  I don't think you understand how high his max vertical reach is

when you block shots you just don't stand there usually. You need to jump. Especially blocking from standstill or when covering alot of ground

The wingspan isn't as important as standing reach when it comes to shotblocking. Wingspan is more important in the passing lanes and playing perimeter defense (being wide/taking up space).

Max vert is really overrated for shotblocking.

How long have you been watching basketball? Just curious.

[green147]

Scott Souza ?@scott_souza 5h5 hours ago

#Celtics president Danny Ainge said it's rare a player truly opens his eyes in pre-draft workout. Asked if it happened this year, said "Yes"

So, let's get the speculation going.  Who opened Danny's eyes, and is this who the Celts will try and move up in the draft to select?

I would have to say Justin Anderson. 

Also remember Danny was not able to attend workouts in the beginning.  But his son and CBS probably gushed about a few guys they worked out.  I'm hoping it was Mickey

Yeah, a player projected for the 2nd rd in a draft that is said to lack depth that's who did it.

It came out today that despite the C's going into lockdown workout mode, they worked out Mickey twice (something they usually do only when they like a guy, like in the cases of Smart and Rondo). Also, he has said he got a promise from a first round team. It would be fair to assume that at 28 they would take a flier on him. Although, it does make me wonder if KO or Sully is wrapped up in one of these trade talks to move up. Sully, 16, and 33 to get a defensive center (WCS if he somehow falls or less for Myles Turner) and Mickey at 28. Our defense would be vastly improved, although scoring might be difficult 

[Tr1boy]

eddie20 , no offense but scouts who think similar to you are the ones that miss out on good players like Draymond Green, Taj Gibson, Boozer etc.

It's not always about needing to 6'10 and over requirement to be a  good pf in the nba.   If you can make a jump shot that is fine, but how else can you impact the game??

The question is, can you play??  How do you help your team?  Both Portis and Mickey were valuable for their college teams.  Mickey was the defensive anchor for the LSU and played center (out of position) for most of the year.  And he still did a fine job.  He can guard multiple positions and is considered the best shot blocking talent of the 2015 draft.  His offensive capability is a bonus.

Mickey has some potential to be a solid defender in the NBA, but you seem to think he's the next coming of Serge Ibaka. The dude is a fringe first round pick and might be a solid role player like a Darrell Arthur with some nice weakside defense.

Mickey is 6-8 (with shoes!) and only has a standing reach of 8-10. For comparison, WCS is at 9-3, Turner 9-4, Upshaw 9-5, and Towns 9-1.  In college Mickey's reach is decent, but not at the next level.

we can go on and on and try to mix water with oil. But the reality is , Mickey is coming in for a 2nd workout tomorrow. Only Anderson has come for a 2nd workout (someone correct me if i'm wrong).  2nd workouts means a team is highly interested in considering to draft the player

Celtics are interested in drafting Mickey.   

[Tr1boy]

eddie20 , no offense but scouts who think similar to you are the ones that miss out on good players like Draymond Green, Taj Gibson, Boozer etc.

It's not always about needing to 6'10 and over requirement to be a  good pf in the nba.   If you can make a jump shot that is fine, but how else can you impact the game??

The question is, can you play??  How do you help your team?  Both Portis and Mickey were valuable for their college teams.  Mickey was the defensive anchor for the LSU and played center (out of position) for most of the year.  And he still did a fine job.  He can guard multiple positions and is considered the best shot blocking talent of the 2015 draft.  His offensive capability is a bonus.

The things you say, man. Who said that? His mom? The way you go on and on about a fringe level prospect is crazy. How about we let it go and will relive it once the draft comes and goes and Mickey gets drafted where he belongs.

I watched the Draft Combine again and Mickey is a really good shot blocker.  Best in the draft, not sure about that, but he is really good.

We've already had the discussion that undersized college shot blockers don't translate well into the NBA. The 3 best shot blockers prospects are WCS, Towns, and Upshaw in how they translate to the next level.

you really have little to no idea what your talking about

WCS, Towns, Upshaw are trees. So they will be good shot blockers at the next level.  That is how you think

There is a little more than size and decent athleticism = great shot blocker.   

Why don't you next explain to me why Faried is such a poor rebounder??  If you know this is not true, tell me, before he was drafted, what made him a good rebounder and also  how he is such a good rebounder in the nba now?

No, they aren't good shotblockers because they're "trees". They are good shotblockers because they have positional size, length, athleticism, timing, etc. One of the most important things for rim protection is having a solid standing reach coupled with timing. You don't necessarily have to be a great athlete.

Your Faried talk is pointless and nonsensical. Undersized players have been successful rebounders throughout history. This has no correlation to shotblocking.

the crazy part I keep hearing from you is how undersized Mickey is.     Can you tell me, does it make a difference in the big picture if a guy is 6'8 with a 7'3 wingspan vs a 6'10 guys with a 7 ft wingspan?? Also if that 6'8 guy has a 37 inch vertical?  Mickey already has top 3 max vertical for a pf in the nba .  I don't think you understand how high his max vertical reach is

when you block shots you just don't stand there usually. You need to jump. Especially blocking from standstill or when covering alot of ground

The wingspan isn't as important as standing reach when it comes to shotblocking. Wingspan is more important in the passing lanes and playing perimeter defense (being wide/taking up space).

Max vert is really overrated for shotblocking.

How long have you been watching basketball? Just curious.

seriously?? lol

Have you seen me around here? come on man

[Eddie20]

eddie20 , no offense but scouts who think similar to you are the ones that miss out on good players like Draymond Green, Taj Gibson, Boozer etc.

It's not always about needing to 6'10 and over requirement to be a  good pf in the nba.   If you can make a jump shot that is fine, but how else can you impact the game??

The question is, can you play??  How do you help your team?  Both Portis and Mickey were valuable for their college teams.  Mickey was the defensive anchor for the LSU and played center (out of position) for most of the year.  And he still did a fine job.  He can guard multiple positions and is considered the best shot blocking talent of the 2015 draft.  His offensive capability is a bonus.

Mickey has some potential to be a solid defender in the NBA, but you seem to think he's the next coming of Serge Ibaka. The dude is a fringe first round pick and might be a solid role player like a Darrell Arthur with some nice weakside defense.

Mickey is 6-8 (with shoes!) and only has a standing reach of 8-10. For comparison, WCS is at 9-3, Turner 9-4, Upshaw 9-5, and Towns 9-1.  In college Mickey's reach is decent, but not at the next level.

we can go on and on and try to mix water with oil. But the reality is , Mickey is coming in for a 2nd workout tomorrow. Only Anderson has come for a 2nd workout (someone correct me if i'm wrong).  2nd workouts means a team is highly interested in considering to draft the player

Celtics are interested in drafting Mickey.

Kravish came in twice. I think we're targeting him at #16 too.

[Tr1boy]

Scott Souza ?@scott_souza 5h5 hours ago

#Celtics president Danny Ainge said it's rare a player truly opens his eyes in pre-draft workout. Asked if it happened this year, said "Yes"

So, let's get the speculation going.  Who opened Danny's eyes, and is this who the Celts will try and move up in the draft to select?

I would have to say Justin Anderson. 

Also remember Danny was not able to attend workouts in the beginning.  But his son and CBS probably gushed about a few guys they worked out.  I'm hoping it was Mickey

Yeah, a player projected for the 2nd rd in a draft that is said to lack depth that's who did it.

It came out today that despite the C's going into lockdown workout mode, they worked out Mickey twice (something they usually do only when they like a guy, like in the cases of Smart and Rondo). Also, he has said he got a promise from a first round team. It would be fair to assume that at 28 they would take a flier on him. Although, it does make me wonder if KO or Sully is wrapped up in one of these trade talks to move up. Sully, 16, and 33 to get a defensive center (WCS if he somehow falls or less for Myles Turner) and Mickey at 28. Our defense would be vastly improved, although scoring might be difficult 

Unless it's the team picking 29 that gave him a promise (I doubt this) ,  Mickey will be gone before 28. 

Celtics will work him out tomorrow and if Danny and CBS like him alot, will need to move up or take a chance at him at 16. Or move down.    This is a crazy draft and likely a guy or two projected to guy 16-25 will be there at 28. Like a RJ Hunter, Or Vaughn , if the Celts also want to grab a 3 pt shooter

[Eddie20]

eddie20 , no offense but scouts who think similar to you are the ones that miss out on good players like Draymond Green, Taj Gibson, Boozer etc.

It's not always about needing to 6'10 and over requirement to be a  good pf in the nba.   If you can make a jump shot that is fine, but how else can you impact the game??

The question is, can you play??  How do you help your team?  Both Portis and Mickey were valuable for their college teams.  Mickey was the defensive anchor for the LSU and played center (out of position) for most of the year.  And he still did a fine job.  He can guard multiple positions and is considered the best shot blocking talent of the 2015 draft.  His offensive capability is a bonus.

The things you say, man. Who said that? His mom? The way you go on and on about a fringe level prospect is crazy. How about we let it go and will relive it once the draft comes and goes and Mickey gets drafted where he belongs.

I watched the Draft Combine again and Mickey is a really good shot blocker.  Best in the draft, not sure about that, but he is really good.

We've already had the discussion that undersized college shot blockers don't translate well into the NBA. The 3 best shot blockers prospects are WCS, Towns, and Upshaw in how they translate to the next level.

you really have little to no idea what your talking about

WCS, Towns, Upshaw are trees. So they will be good shot blockers at the next level.  That is how you think

There is a little more than size and decent athleticism = great shot blocker.   

Why don't you next explain to me why Faried is such a poor rebounder??  If you know this is not true, tell me, before he was drafted, what made him a good rebounder and also  how he is such a good rebounder in the nba now?

No, they aren't good shotblockers because they're "trees". They are good shotblockers because they have positional size, length, athleticism, timing, etc. One of the most important things for rim protection is having a solid standing reach coupled with timing. You don't necessarily have to be a great athlete.

Your Faried talk is pointless and nonsensical. Undersized players have been successful rebounders throughout history. This has no correlation to shotblocking.

the crazy part I keep hearing from you is how undersized Mickey is.     Can you tell me, does it make a difference in the big picture if a guy is 6'8 with a 7'3 wingspan vs a 6'10 guys with a 7 ft wingspan?? Also if that 6'8 guy has a 37 inch vertical?  Mickey already has top 3 max vertical for a pf in the nba .  I don't think you understand how high his max vertical reach is

when you block shots you just don't stand there usually. You need to jump. Especially blocking from standstill or when covering alot of ground

The wingspan isn't as important as standing reach when it comes to shotblocking. Wingspan is more important in the passing lanes and playing perimeter defense (being wide/taking up space).

Max vert is really overrated for shotblocking.

How long have you been watching basketball? Just curious.

seriously?? lol

Have you seen me around here? come on man

When I called you out on some guys you liked in past drafts you said "I know more now". So just wondering. If you've only been watching as long as you've been a member here that's not a long time at all.

[Tr1boy]

eddie20 , no offense but scouts who think similar to you are the ones that miss out on good players like Draymond Green, Taj Gibson, Boozer etc.

It's not always about needing to 6'10 and over requirement to be a  good pf in the nba.   If you can make a jump shot that is fine, but how else can you impact the game??

The question is, can you play??  How do you help your team?  Both Portis and Mickey were valuable for their college teams.  Mickey was the defensive anchor for the LSU and played center (out of position) for most of the year.  And he still did a fine job.  He can guard multiple positions and is considered the best shot blocking talent of the 2015 draft.  His offensive capability is a bonus.

Mickey has some potential to be a solid defender in the NBA, but you seem to think he's the next coming of Serge Ibaka. The dude is a fringe first round pick and might be a solid role player like a Darrell Arthur with some nice weakside defense.

Mickey is 6-8 (with shoes!) and only has a standing reach of 8-10. For comparison, WCS is at 9-3, Turner 9-4, Upshaw 9-5, and Towns 9-1.  In college Mickey's reach is decent, but not at the next level.

we can go on and on and try to mix water with oil. But the reality is , Mickey is coming in for a 2nd workout tomorrow. Only Anderson has come for a 2nd workout (someone correct me if i'm wrong).  2nd workouts means a team is highly interested in considering to draft the player

Celtics are interested in drafting Mickey.

Kravish came in twice. I think we're targeting him at #16 too.

Karvish is a senior that accomplished little in college. And he was brought in for a 2nd workout vs a group of guys early in the process.

Mickey is going to be brought in for an individual workout/interview.  It's different 

[Tr1boy]

eddie20 , no offense but scouts who think similar to you are the ones that miss out on good players like Draymond Green, Taj Gibson, Boozer etc.

It's not always about needing to 6'10 and over requirement to be a  good pf in the nba.   If you can make a jump shot that is fine, but how else can you impact the game??

The question is, can you play??  How do you help your team?  Both Portis and Mickey were valuable for their college teams.  Mickey was the defensive anchor for the LSU and played center (out of position) for most of the year.  And he still did a fine job.  He can guard multiple positions and is considered the best shot blocking talent of the 2015 draft.  His offensive capability is a bonus.

The things you say, man. Who said that? His mom? The way you go on and on about a fringe level prospect is crazy. How about we let it go and will relive it once the draft comes and goes and Mickey gets drafted where he belongs.

I watched the Draft Combine again and Mickey is a really good shot blocker.  Best in the draft, not sure about that, but he is really good.

We've already had the discussion that undersized college shot blockers don't translate well into the NBA. The 3 best shot blockers prospects are WCS, Towns, and Upshaw in how they translate to the next level.

you really have little to no idea what your talking about

WCS, Towns, Upshaw are trees. So they will be good shot blockers at the next level.  That is how you think

There is a little more than size and decent athleticism = great shot blocker.   

Why don't you next explain to me why Faried is such a poor rebounder??  If you know this is not true, tell me, before he was drafted, what made him a good rebounder and also  how he is such a good rebounder in the nba now?

No, they aren't good shotblockers because they're "trees". They are good shotblockers because they have positional size, length, athleticism, timing, etc. One of the most important things for rim protection is having a solid standing reach coupled with timing. You don't necessarily have to be a great athlete.

Your Faried talk is pointless and nonsensical. Undersized players have been successful rebounders throughout history. This has no correlation to shotblocking.

the crazy part I keep hearing from you is how undersized Mickey is.     Can you tell me, does it make a difference in the big picture if a guy is 6'8 with a 7'3 wingspan vs a 6'10 guys with a 7 ft wingspan?? Also if that 6'8 guy has a 37 inch vertical?  Mickey already has top 3 max vertical for a pf in the nba .  I don't think you understand how high his max vertical reach is

when you block shots you just don't stand there usually. You need to jump. Especially blocking from standstill or when covering alot of ground

The wingspan isn't as important as standing reach when it comes to shotblocking. Wingspan is more important in the passing lanes and playing perimeter defense (being wide/taking up space).

Max vert is really overrated for shotblocking.

How long have you been watching basketball? Just curious.

seriously?? lol

Have you seen me around here? come on man

When I called you out on some guys you liked in past drafts you said "I know more now". So just wondering. If you've only been watching as long as you've been a member here that's not a long time at all.

some of the things you say, like "Kravish came in to workout twice so Danny will pick him at 16"

Makes me wonder how little you understand about the draft process. 

I think we have to agree to disagree.   Just don't be an amature and start going "I told you so" etc.    Bc I won't be doing childish things like that. If one of Portis or Turner is drafted and if either do well, I will root for them and be happy.  I just want this team to get better. But if they don't pan out, well that is how the game goes sometimes.

[Celtics4ever]

Mickey did and he was invited back for a second one.  I think that this might mean he was a new home for Jared.