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If Smart is the sticking point
« on: June 23, 2015, 12:18:41 PM »

Offline walker834

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Would you trade Smart and picks for Cousins? Isiaih, Bradley, Crowder/Young, Sully/KO, Cousins.  I wouldn't.  Smart would be the sticking point.

Our team is set up to bring in a guy like Cousins but we can't really give up any of those guys to do it. Our team would have to be

Smart
Bradley/Isiaiah
Crowder/Young
Sully/KO
Cousins

So we would be relegated to just our draft choices and end of bench players to deal for  DMC.
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Re: If Smart is the sticking point
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2015, 12:21:03 PM »

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Smart definitely isn't the sticking point.  Problem is, Smart's trade value is maybe slightly higher than Julius Randle.   I don't think there's any way we could trade for #2... so if the Lakers offering Randle + #2...  there's no chance of matching that even WITH Smart.

And if you're telling me we have the assets to get #2 without Smart... well then by all means, let's go get #2.   Okafor is going to be a star.
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Re: If Smart is the sticking point
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2015, 12:25:24 PM »

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I would put Zeller, Turner, Wallace, Pressey, Bass, jerebko, Gigi all on the table  plus whatever picks and players we can get for them for DMC. Outside of that I would not make the move.

Bradley maybe... No to Smart.   I'd consider one of Sully/KO/Bradley/Crowder/Young possibly.
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Re: If Smart is the sticking point
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2015, 12:28:33 PM »

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Quote from: LarBrd33 on June 23, 2015, 12:21:03 PM
Problem is, Smart's trade value is maybe slightly higher than Julius Randle.

Pure nonsense. Smart spent his rookie season confirming the potential that got him drafted at 6 (defense). Randle spent his rookie season confirming the concerns that made him fall to 7 (injuries). Not much more needs to be said than that. Smart's trading value is likely significantly higher than Randle's.
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Re: If Smart is the sticking point
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2015, 12:30:01 PM »

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Quote from: walker834 on June 23, 2015, 12:25:24 PM
I would put Zeller, Turner, Wallace, Pressey, Bass, jerebko, Gigi all on the table  plus whatever picks and players we can get for them for DMC. Outside of that I would not make the move.

Bradley maybe... No to Smart.   I'd consider one of Sully/KO/Bradley/Crowder/Young possibly.

... so you're offering a bunch of bad and/or deep bench players in exchange for Cousins. And that's supposed to be an enticing offer to Sacramento.

You see, this is the kind of stuff I was getting at in your thread, TheFlex.
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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2015, 12:30:09 PM »

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Quote from: walker834 on June 23, 2015, 12:25:24 PM
I would put Zeller, Turner, Wallace, Pressey, Bass, jerebko, Gigi all on the table  plus whatever picks and players we can get for them for DMC. Outside of that I would not make the move.

Bradley maybe... No to Smart.

I don't know, are we really willing to part with premium talent like Gerald Wallce and Gigi Datome for Cousins? Let's pump the brakes a bit. Maybe Bradley? Seriously? Danny would laugh in Vlade's face for even suggesting Avery Bradley!
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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2015, 12:33:01 PM »

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Quote from: LarBrd33 on June 23, 2015, 12:21:03 PM
Smart definitely isn't the sticking point.  Problem is, Smart's trade value is maybe slightly higher than Julius Randle.   I don't think there's any way we could trade for #2... so if the Lakers offering Randle + #2...  there's no chance of matching that even WITH Smart.

And if you're telling me we have the assets to get #2 without Smart... well then by all means, let's go get #2.  Okafor is going to be a star.


I did not watch much of Okafor in College but what is his ceiling? From what I've read/heard is he's a big man who has a polished post game and scores with ease BUT no defense.

Now, don't jump down my throat on this one but that sounds like a glorified Al Jefferson.
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Re: If Smart is the sticking point
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2015, 12:37:31 PM »

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Quote from: TheFlex on June 23, 2015, 12:28:33 PM
Quote from: LarBrd33 on June 23, 2015, 12:21:03 PM
Problem is, Smart's trade value is maybe slightly higher than Julius Randle.

Pure nonsense. Smart spent his rookie season confirming the potential that got him drafted at 6 (defense). Randle spent his rookie season confirming the concerns that made him fall to 7 (injuries). Not much more needs to be said than that. Smart's trading value is likely significantly higher than Randle's.
Smart was a big disappointment, imo.   I thought he'd have an offensive game. 

Randle is still an unknown.  I say they have about even trade value.  Both were more valuable a year ago.
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Re: If Smart is the sticking point
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2015, 12:47:37 PM »

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Quote from: LarBrd33 on June 23, 2015, 12:37:31 PM
Quote from: TheFlex on June 23, 2015, 12:28:33 PM
Quote from: LarBrd33 on June 23, 2015, 12:21:03 PM
Problem is, Smart's trade value is maybe slightly higher than Julius Randle.

Pure nonsense. Smart spent his rookie season confirming the potential that got him drafted at 6 (defense). Randle spent his rookie season confirming the concerns that made him fall to 7 (injuries). Not much more needs to be said than that. Smart's trading value is likely significantly higher than Randle's.
Smart was a big disappointment, imo.   I thought he'd have an offensive game. 

Randle is still an unknown.  I say they have about even trade value.  Both were more valuable a year ago.

Smart had an ankle injury that quite obviously hindered his offensive game. He was also the 5th option because he was playing on a much better team than any other rookie besides Jabari drafted within a few picks of #6. If league execs believe that it's a given that we'll see Smart's highly touted driving ability now that his ankle has healed, then if anything his offensive ceiling is higher upon showing he can shoot at a league average rate from 3. I believe this is the case.

You are right that Randle's value is lower than what it was a year ago when he was picked behind Smart. Agree to disagree that Smart's value is lower.
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Re: If Smart is the sticking point
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2015, 12:50:26 PM »

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Quote from: TheFlex on June 23, 2015, 12:28:33 PM
Quote from: LarBrd33 on June 23, 2015, 12:21:03 PM
Problem is, Smart's trade value is maybe slightly higher than Julius Randle.

Pure nonsense. Smart spent his rookie season confirming the potential that got him drafted at 6 (defense). Randle spent his rookie season confirming the concerns that made him fall to 7 (injuries). Not much more needs to be said than that. Smart's trading value is likely significantly higher than Randle's.

Spot on, TP.
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Re: If Smart is the sticking point
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2015, 12:54:05 PM »

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I'd give up any three players on the team and a handful of draft picks for Cousins.  He's the best center in the league, he's 24 years old, and he's on a reasonable contract.  He is much, much better than any asset we have on our squad.
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Re: If Smart is the sticking point
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2015, 12:55:12 PM »

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Quote from: LarBrd33 on June 23, 2015, 12:37:31 PM
Quote from: TheFlex on June 23, 2015, 12:28:33 PM
Quote from: LarBrd33 on June 23, 2015, 12:21:03 PM
Problem is, Smart's trade value is maybe slightly higher than Julius Randle.

Pure nonsense. Smart spent his rookie season confirming the potential that got him drafted at 6 (defense). Randle spent his rookie season confirming the concerns that made him fall to 7 (injuries). Not much more needs to be said than that. Smart's trading value is likely significantly higher than Randle's.
Smart was a big disappointment, imo.   I thought he'd have an offensive game. 

Randle is still an unknown.  I say they have about even trade value.  Both were more valuable a year ago.

You are right they both had more value last year.  Thing is, since last year the game has evolved too.  There is now a premium on defenders capable of switching P/R.  Smart has proven he can cover three positions on defense.

Randle, much like Kevin Love, has to have lost some value over the last 12 months because he's a 4 who can't switch onto 5's or 3's.  Add in the injuries, now you have an undersized PF who isn't terribly athletic and can't shoot, no NBA experience, who can't switch the P/R. 

Randle's ceiling right now is Leon Powe, assuming he can put those feet/leg issues behind him.
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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2015, 12:56:35 PM »

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Quote from: LarBrd33 on June 23, 2015, 12:37:31 PM
Quote from: TheFlex on June 23, 2015, 12:28:33 PM
Quote from: LarBrd33 on June 23, 2015, 12:21:03 PM
Problem is, Smart's trade value is maybe slightly higher than Julius Randle.

Pure nonsense. Smart spent his rookie season confirming the potential that got him drafted at 6 (defense). Randle spent his rookie season confirming the concerns that made him fall to 7 (injuries). Not much more needs to be said than that. Smart's trading value is likely significantly higher than Randle's.



Lar...I understand you like to be the contrarian, but Smart was a starter on a playoff team* (* in the east) with a elite level D.  It's fine to note that he had offensive struggles, but Randle has not proven anything...that includes potential.

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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2015, 12:58:25 PM »

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Quote from: Roy H. on June 23, 2015, 12:54:05 PM
I'd give up any three players on the team and a handful of draft picks for Cousins.  He's the best center in the league, he's 24 years old, and he's on a reasonable contract.  He is much, much better than any asset we have on our squad.

Yeah, I'm still not convinced that Smart is ever going to be a better-than-average offensive player, and sure, having the next Tony Allen is nice, but Memphis has hit its ceiling, and it's because the Grizz have no superstar, no stud. Cousins is a stud, and if it takes giving up Smart to get him, that's what should be done.
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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2015, 01:10:30 PM »

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If it was me, I would hold onto Smart until the bitter end, trying 3 way trades and what have you. But at the end of the day if the deal was good enough, I'd probably include him too.

If the rumor about Noel and 3 for Smart and picks is true, DA will certainly use him in a trade for Cousins. But DA won't just cash in all our assets for DMC without other dominos ready to fall. "thinking big" seems totally legit.
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