[LA Times] Boston explored trading picks + Smart for Noel + 3rd, Philly declined

[footey]

The takeaway here is that Smart very likely could be used to move up in the draft. I think he would have to be included in any deal for a pick in the 5-8 range.

[BudweiserCeltic]

The takeaway here is that Smart very likely could be used to move up in the draft. I think he would have to be included in any deal for a pick in the 5-8 range.

Not quite the takeaway... Noel + #3 doesn't equal dangling Smart merely to move up...

[Irish Stew]

If the offer of 16, 28, and Smart for 3 and Noel has been accurately reported and is indicative of the kind of trade offers Ainge has been making, then we will be drafting at 16, 28, 33, and 45.

[MBunge]

So LA Times broke this story?

Sounds credible. LOOOOOOOOOOOOL!

Looks like just another rumor to to push someone's agenda.

Agreed.

What are: two posters that couldn't be bothered to read the article.

League executives also said the Celtics were trying to move up in the draft, using their two first-round picks and two second-round picks as bait.

The executives said the Celtics were looking to trade point guard Marcus Smart and the Nos. 16 and 28 picks in the first round to Philadelphia for center/forward Nerlens Noel and the No. 3 pick. But the 76ers, the executives said, weren't interested.

Executives said teams with multiple picks are trying to trade some of them and move up in the draft. The 76ers, for instance, have six draft picks — one in the first round and five in the second round, Nos. 35, 37, 47, 58 and 60 — and may look to package some of those or even sell a few of them.

The Clippers are a team looking to buy a second-round pick.

Broderick Turner is a legitimate reporter, and the LA Times is a legitimate newspaper. You should probably not make so much of an effort to look stupid in the future.

Let's try some logic.

Does it make any sense for Ainge to leak this?

How would any non-Philly, non-Boston executives know about this?

If Philly leaked it, why would they?

I'm not saying discussions didn't happen but if you think various agendas aren't involved in this story getting out, you are the stupid one.

Mike

[Daddy Pinto]

So LA Times broke this story?

Sounds credible. LOOOOOOOOOOOOL!

Looks like just another rumor to to push someone's agenda.

Agreed.

What are: two posters that couldn't be bothered to read the article.

League executives also said the Celtics were trying to move up in the draft, using their two first-round picks and two second-round picks as bait.

The executives said the Celtics were looking to trade point guard Marcus Smart and the Nos. 16 and 28 picks in the first round to Philadelphia for center/forward Nerlens Noel and the No. 3 pick. But the 76ers, the executives said, weren't interested.

Executives said teams with multiple picks are trying to trade some of them and move up in the draft. The 76ers, for instance, have six draft picks — one in the first round and five in the second round, Nos. 35, 37, 47, 58 and 60 — and may look to package some of those or even sell a few of them.

The Clippers are a team looking to buy a second-round pick.

Broderick Turner is a legitimate reporter, and the LA Times is a legitimate newspaper. You should probably not make so much of an effort to look stupid in the future.

Let's try some logic.

Does it make any sense for Ainge to leak this?

How would any non-Philly, non-Boston executives know about this?

If Philly leaked it, why would they?

I'm not saying discussions didn't happen but if you think various agendas aren't involved in this story getting out, you are the stupid one.

Mike

Took the words right out of my mouth. TP.

[fairweatherfan]

Yeah Smart + 16 + 28 is probably a fairly tough sell for Noel alone, unless Philly really likes Smart.  For Noel + 3 would be ridiculous.  Could've been an initial offer to try and sweeten the deal if they show at least a little interest, though. 

I am wondering if Philly leaked this because they are interested in offers for Noel and/or #3 and want to set the market.  Our front office seems to rarely make off-the-record leaks (who knows, though) and it wouldn't make much sense to leak that another team shot us down.

[Chief Macho]

Don't believe this one,   but is Noel any good?   Didn't pay much attention to his year.

[TheFlex]

So LA Times broke this story?

Sounds credible. LOOOOOOOOOOOOL!

Looks like just another rumor to to push someone's agenda.

Agreed.

What are: two posters that couldn't be bothered to read the article.

League executives also said the Celtics were trying to move up in the draft, using their two first-round picks and two second-round picks as bait.

The executives said the Celtics were looking to trade point guard Marcus Smart and the Nos. 16 and 28 picks in the first round to Philadelphia for center/forward Nerlens Noel and the No. 3 pick. But the 76ers, the executives said, weren't interested.

Executives said teams with multiple picks are trying to trade some of them and move up in the draft. The 76ers, for instance, have six draft picks — one in the first round and five in the second round, Nos. 35, 37, 47, 58 and 60 — and may look to package some of those or even sell a few of them.

The Clippers are a team looking to buy a second-round pick.

Broderick Turner is a legitimate reporter, and the LA Times is a legitimate newspaper. You should probably not make so much of an effort to look stupid in the future.

You mad, Bro(derick Turner)?

[Vermont Green]

I don't know if this is real or agendas or what but if real, not surprised Philly declined (obviously) but also I guess I am not smart enough to understand what agenda is being advanced by this leaking out.

But another thing that this got me thinking is maybe Philly called and asked about Smart for Noel because they think they might be able to draft Okafor or they intend to take a chance on Porzingis (then DA said OK if you throw in #3 and so on).

Who would trade Smart for Noel straight up?  I will go on the record and say I would not.  I think they are pretty even value players and I know more about Smart than Noel so I feel there is more risk with Noel than Smart.

My second question is would you trade Smart straight up for the #3 pick?  I assume most would but even that trade has risk.  You just don't know with rookies, especially if you end up with someone like Porzingis.

Anyway, that is my guess as to how this thing got started, Philly wanted Smart.

[fairweatherfan]

I don't know if this is real or agendas or what but if real, not surprised Philly declined (obviously) but also I guess I am not smart enough to understand what agenda is being advanced by this leaking out.

It's total speculation of course, but if you wanted to explore trading Noel and/or #3, leaking an offer you turned down is a good way of telling other teams "we're willing to talk about these guys BUT you need to at least beat this to have any chance".  It's setting a market for your assets. 

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

Anyway, that is my guess as to how this thing got started, Philly wanted Smart.

I'm sure Philly would take Marcus Smart. But the garbage offer rumored is pretty clearly coming from the Celtics, because it's a joke.

And TBH, I think Nerlens' trade value is probably a bit higher than Smart's after each of them closed the season trending in different directions on their weaknesses. 

[Vermont Green]

I don't know if this is real or agendas or what but if real, not surprised Philly declined (obviously) but also I guess I am not smart enough to understand what agenda is being advanced by this leaking out.

It's total speculation of course, but if you wanted to explore trading Noel and/or #3, leaking an offer you turned down is a good way of telling other teams "we're willing to talk about these guys BUT you need to at least beat this to have any chance".  It's setting a market for your assets.

Who knows but why would Philly want to leak such a low ball offer if their plan was to get the highest value for him.  They could just do a generic "Sixers are shopping Noel" leak, or "Boston offered Smart and picks in a possible deal for Noel".  I don't think it would be all that hard to drum up interest in Noel.

[PhoSita]

I'm not saying discussions didn't happen but if you think various agendas aren't involved in this story getting out, you are the stupid one.

Mike

Insiders have agendas, reporters want to get potentially interesting information out with their byline on the report.

That's how this stuff works.  Doesn't mean the report is silly, or baseless. 

So yes, you look stupid if you deride a legitimate reporter, in an off-hand way, because you think there's an agenda involved, because of course there is.

[D.o.s.]

So LA Times broke this story?

Sounds credible. LOOOOOOOOOOOOL!

Looks like just another rumor to to push someone's agenda.

Agreed.

What are: two posters that couldn't be bothered to read the article.

League executives also said the Celtics were trying to move up in the draft, using their two first-round picks and two second-round picks as bait.

The executives said the Celtics were looking to trade point guard Marcus Smart and the Nos. 16 and 28 picks in the first round to Philadelphia for center/forward Nerlens Noel and the No. 3 pick. But the 76ers, the executives said, weren't interested.

Executives said teams with multiple picks are trying to trade some of them and move up in the draft. The 76ers, for instance, have six draft picks — one in the first round and five in the second round, Nos. 35, 37, 47, 58 and 60 — and may look to package some of those or even sell a few of them.

The Clippers are a team looking to buy a second-round pick.

Broderick Turner is a legitimate reporter, and the LA Times is a legitimate newspaper. You should probably not make so much of an effort to look stupid in the future.

Let's try some logic.

Does it make any sense for Ainge to leak this?

How would any non-Philly, non-Boston executives know about this?

If Philly leaked it, why would they?

I'm not saying discussions didn't happen but if you think various agendas aren't involved in this story getting out, you are the stupid one.

Mike

That's not what I said at all. But, please, I eagerly await you telling me how this industry works, again, since you were so informative this time last year during the Jackie Mac and Rondo thing. 

I would not be surprised, for example, if Turner had been told by one of the Buss family that Philly had turned down Boston's offer, and what Boston was offering for the #3 pick. Any time a team shows an interest in moving a pick they play the field and these sort of things get put up against each other... and then everyone denies it and says "LOL REPORTERS MAKING THINGS UP DON'T TRUST SOURCES." This is how the game is played.

However, and more generally, Pho has done a great job explaining exactly why those two posters look like children who have wandered into the middle of a movie and are complaining that it doesn't make sense. They lack context.

[Csfan1984]

Makes sense if C's want to draft Russell and have Noel be there Center of the future. Philly will need more because they only get one true piece in Smart while they give up two. Now if this was 16, 28 and Brooklyn pick then I think Philly would consider it.