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Re: Media Speculation: Gibson for Bradley?
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2015, 08:34:32 PM »

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What is this obsession with getting rid of Bradley???????

a. he has trade value, given his age, skills and contract.
b. people want to see a back court of Smart and Young, and IT.
c. most want to trade ET, but concede he won't get the same return as AB.


Re: Media Speculation: Gibson for Bradley?
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2015, 08:35:17 PM »

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What is this obsession with getting rid of Bradley???????

Haven't you heard? Young put on 15lbs of muscle so he is ready to start and play 34 mpg next season.

But, seriously, I would deal him if we were getting a clear upgrade which I am not sure we are getting with Gibson.

Re: Media Speculation: Gibson for Bradley?
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2015, 08:44:16 PM »

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No  thanks.

Taj Gibson is overrated and was made to look good by a pretty good defensive system. Pretty inept offensive guy aswell.



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Re: Media Speculation: Gibson for Bradley?
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2015, 08:48:05 PM »

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No thanks. If we were to move Bradley i would hope it'd be for something else. Taj just had ankle surgery as well. Would rather go to war with Sully and Kelly.

Re: Media Speculation: Gibson for Bradley?
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2015, 09:09:06 PM »

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Only way I'd think about this is if we're having a Summer of Love........

A Love Train and Taj as our rim protector would be an interesting mix....I'm a bit hesitant due to Taj's age, though.

I trust Danny with whomever we bring in here, though.

Re: Media Speculation: Gibson for Bradley?
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2015, 09:14:38 PM »

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I would not trade Bradley straight up for Gibson. Bradley has a much higher ceiling because he is so much younger.

Gibson might be a better fit now as a defensive big, but picking up an older defensive big because he is a better fit now is short sighted. Long term I  think Bradley will have a lot more value.
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Re: Media Speculation: Gibson for Bradley?
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2015, 09:16:17 PM »

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Sullinger is better than Gibson.
Gibson is almost 30.

Just a trash suggestion that's completely unfounded.
Why would we bring in a bench power forward at this stage of our roster construction.
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Re: Media Speculation: Gibson for Bradley?
« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2015, 09:17:46 PM »

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Gibson is a sideways move at best and likely not even that.  no interest

Re: Media Speculation: Gibson for Bradley?
« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2015, 09:18:18 PM »

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What is this obsession with getting rid of Bradley???????

I think the question that should be asked is what's the obsession with keeping Avery Bradley?\

He sucks in the playoffs.

Re: Media Speculation: Gibson for Bradley?
« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2015, 09:32:32 PM »

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What I don't understand is that in the Bleacher Report article the OP cited it comments that they'd have trouble dealing Joakim Noah because he had a poor season. I mean, yeah, he had a rough season, but his stats were arguably better than Gibson in the aspects we'd need (he scored less and had a lower FG%, but rebounded more and had more assists and slightly higher blocks per game). Assuming Chicago wanted to get rid of their big man glut, am I crazy to think we should be aiming for Noah rather than Gibson? I mean, the AB+a first is an overpay for Gibson, but AB and a late first might not be for Noah if we got Monroe. A Monroe/Noah front-court could be intriguing.

Re: Media Speculation: Gibson for Bradley?
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2015, 10:18:17 PM »

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What is this obsession with getting rid of Bradley???????

I think the question that should be asked is what's the obsession with keeping Avery Bradley?\

He sucks in the playoffs.

Based on...?

IIRC he had a huge impact for us in the playoffs when we beat Philly and Atlanta a few years back, then Doc made him inactive (shoulder surgery) just prior to the Heat series...which we went on to lose.

I still believe to this day that the Heat series that year would have had a very different result if we had AB out there pressuring Wade. 

If I recall correctly Avery Bradley had the highest (or second highest) +/- on the team during the playoff run (after KG).  His impact for us was huge.

He struggled badly this playoffs as we all know, but it's not like he's played in 3 playoff series and has sucked in them all.  This was the first time he's played in a playoff series where he's been looked at as the #1 option (obviously far beyond what he's capable of) so that's a lot of pressure for a young guy who's more of a natural #3 scoring option.   

What is this obsession with getting rid of Bradley???????

a. he has trade value, given his age, skills and contract.
b. people want to see a back court of Smart and Young, and IT.
c. most want to trade ET, but concede he won't get the same return as AB.

Regarding B - who on earth is that eager to see Young? 

I'm firmly in the way of thinking of "you earn your minutes".  This is a deep team, and if I'm coach, I'm not giving ANYBODY minutes until I feel those minutes are earned.   

* If you want to 2 or 3 minutes on the court, then you had better earn those minutes in practice. 

* If you want to get a role as a backup, when you better earn that role in the 2-3 minutes you're on the court. 

* If you want a role as a starter, you'd better earn that role in the 15-20 minutes you're playing off the bench.

That's exactly how Avery Bradley earned his minutes to begin with, and it's how he earned his starting position over Ray Allen all those years ago...and the way i see it that's the only way.  I'm not gifting playing time out to young prospects just because they show up. 

Earn your minutes ON THE COURT.

Re: Media Speculation: Gibson for Bradley?
« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2015, 10:21:28 PM »

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What I don't understand is that in the Bleacher Report article the OP cited it comments that they'd have trouble dealing Joakim Noah because he had a poor season. I mean, yeah, he had a rough season, but his stats were arguably better than Gibson in the aspects we'd need (he scored less and had a lower FG%, but rebounded more and had more assists and slightly higher blocks per game). Assuming Chicago wanted to get rid of their big man glut, am I crazy to think we should be aiming for Noah rather than Gibson? I mean, the AB+a first is an overpay for Gibson, but AB and a late first might not be for Noah if we got Monroe. A Monroe/Noah front-court could be intriguing.

Not so sure about Noah...

He doesn't have much of a jump shot, and he's a center.  Getting him AND Monroe means you probably start Monroe at PF, but if you do that you're wasting his potential. 

Starting both guys also means zero court spacing, especially when you consider our team ranked last in the NBA in 3PT% this season (or at least I read that somewhere).

I'd also be concerned with Noah potentially affecting team chemistry - to be honest he seems like a bit of a knob. 
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Re: Media Speculation: Gibson for Bradley?
« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2015, 10:28:11 PM »

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What I don't understand is that in the Bleacher Report article the OP cited it comments that they'd have trouble dealing Joakim Noah because he had a poor season. I mean, yeah, he had a rough season, but his stats were arguably better than Gibson in the aspects we'd need (he scored less and had a lower FG%, but rebounded more and had more assists and slightly higher blocks per game). Assuming Chicago wanted to get rid of their big man glut, am I crazy to think we should be aiming for Noah rather than Gibson? I mean, the AB+a first is an overpay for Gibson, but AB and a late first might not be for Noah if we got Monroe. A Monroe/Noah front-court could be intriguing.

Not so sure about Noah...

He doesn't have much of a jump shot, and he's a center.  Getting him AND Monroe means you probably start Monroe at PF, but if you do that you're wasting his potential. 

Starting both guys also means zero court spacing, especially when you consider our team ranked last in the NBA in 3PT% this season (or at least I read that somewhere).

I'd also be concerned with Noah potentially affecting team chemistry - to be honest he seems like a bit of a knob. 
  Starting him alongside Monroe

If we made two big moves this offseason and Noah was one of them, I would actually be pretty psyched. He is the next closest thing to KG and he would totally fit in with our defense-first system. He may not fit well with Monroe, but would be great next to KO/Sully/BB/Jerebko (I know we aren't keeping all of them).

Re: Media Speculation: Gibson for Bradley?
« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2015, 11:00:23 PM »

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No  thanks.

Taj Gibson is overrated and was made to look good by a pretty good defensive system. Pretty inept offensive guy aswell.

Averaged 13 points and 75% from the line in his last healthy season in under 29 minutes a game playing for a notoriously underwhelming offensive coach.

"inept offensive guy"

Re: Media Speculation: Gibson for Bradley?
« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2015, 11:10:32 PM »

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What I don't understand is that in the Bleacher Report article the OP cited it comments that they'd have trouble dealing Joakim Noah because he had a poor season. I mean, yeah, he had a rough season, but his stats were arguably better than Gibson in the aspects we'd need (he scored less and had a lower FG%, but rebounded more and had more assists and slightly higher blocks per game). Assuming Chicago wanted to get rid of their big man glut, am I crazy to think we should be aiming for Noah rather than Gibson? I mean, the AB+a first is an overpay for Gibson, but AB and a late first might not be for Noah if we got Monroe. A Monroe/Noah front-court could be intriguing.

Not so sure about Noah...

He doesn't have much of a jump shot, and he's a center.  Getting him AND Monroe means you probably start Monroe at PF, but if you do that you're wasting his potential. 

Starting both guys also means zero court spacing, especially when you consider our team ranked last in the NBA in 3PT% this season (or at least I read that somewhere).

I'd also be concerned with Noah potentially affecting team chemistry - to be honest he seems like a bit of a knob. 
  Starting him alongside Monroe

If we made two big moves this offseason and Noah was one of them, I would actually be pretty psyched. He is the next closest thing to KG and he would totally fit in with our defense-first system. He may not fit well with Monroe, but would be great next to KO/Sully/BB/Jerebko (I know we aren't keeping all of them).

I'm not convinced.

An issue with Noah is that I think his defensive abilities have been largely dependent on his athleticism and mobility compared to other bigs out there.  He's about 6'11 but only has a 7'1" wingspan (about the same as Sully and Crowder) so he's not especially long.  He doesn't have the outright muscle/weight to push people around down low either.  So that makes me wonder, when age and injuries start to rob his athleticism and mobility...where will that leave him defensively?

This is a vast contrast to somebody like KG who was (even after he lost athleticism) was able to utilise his 7'5" wingspan to remain a force on defense - similar deal with Duncan (he also has a 7'4" or so wingspan). 

Once Noah loses his athleticism though, he's really got nothing outside of pure hustle/motor to give him edge.  I wonder if that has something to do with why his defensive numbers dropped off so heavily last season.

Given how limited Noah is offensively, that also leaves me wondering if it's worth the gamble making a run at him.

I mean really, if you try to think of a list of big men who were elite defenders despite pretty average wingspan,  the list is pretty small.  You basically have Joakhim Noah (6'11" with 7'1" wingspan) and Tyson Chandler (7'1" with 7'2" wingspan) off the top of my head.  Both of those guys were excellent athletes when they were young, and depended on that mobility a lot for their defensive prowess (both great pick and roll defenders as a result of mobility). 

I mean if you really sit here and think about the elite defenders out there, young and old...

Kevin Garnett had a 7'5" wingspan
Tim Duncan had a 7'4" wingspan
Pau and Marc Gasol have a 7'4" wingspan
Nerlens Noel has a 7'5" wingspan
Alonzo Mourning had a 7'6" wingspan
Anthony Davis has a 7'4" wingspan
Dikembe Mutombo had a 7'6" wingspan

Even when you look at perimeter players, the guys who are elite defensive players more often than not have a huge wingspan.  Rondo (in his prime), Tony Allen, Avery Bradley, Marcus Smart, Kobe Bryant (in his prime), Dwyane Wade (in his prime), Kawhi Leonard, the list goes on.  Even Paul Pierce, who became known as a good defender in his later years, had great length (6'7" with 7'1" wingspan).   

It's very rare to find guys like Butler who have average wingspan and are excellent defensive players. 

So is it worth gambling on Noah?  Did his numbers only drop because he had injury problems, or is it partly because he's simply lost a step? 

I mean we DO need a rim protector, no doubt about that...it's just a matter of how much we'd have to give up in order to get a guy like Noah, and would it be worth it?