who really won the Celtic Brooklyn trade

[Ogaju]

it has become quite fashionable to write about the deal that sent KG and PP to Brooklyn as a favorable trade for the Celtics because of all the accumulated assets and the impending Brooklyn implosion that will make these assets really valuable assets. One thing that is always left unsaid about this Brooklyn deal is that terrible Wallace contract the Cs absorbed.

The truth is the Wallace contract has become an albatross on the roster and prevents us from making a move not to talk about the millions of dollars spent without any return for the money spent. Therefore when the Brooklyn deal is analyzed the analysts should put in the Boston column of what they gave up the almost 40 million dollars paid on the Wallace contract and if Cs have to spend a first to get rid of that contract that should also be added to what the Cs gave up in that deal. So we add PP, KG, Jet, 40 million dollars, and a 1st for whatever we got in return.


When this is done, the deal does not look like that steal it was for Celtics, does it?

[Monkhouse]

it has become quite fashionable to write about the deal that sent KG and PP to Brooklyn as a favorable trade for the Celtics because of all the accumulated assets and the impending Brooklyn implosion that will make these assets really valuable assets. One thing that is always left unsaid about this Brooklyn deal is that terrible Wallace contract the Cs absorbed.

The truth is the Wallace contract has become an albatross on the roster and prevents us from making a move not to talk about the millions of dollars spent without any return for the money spent. Therefore when the Brooklyn deal is analyzed the analysts should put in the Boston column of what they gave up the almost 40 million dollars paid on the Wallace contract and if Cs have to spend a first to get rid of that contract that should also be added to what the Cs gave up in that deal. So we add PP, KG, Jet, 40 million dollars, and a 1st for whatever we got in return.


When this is done, the deal does not look like that steal it was for Celtics, does it?

Ummm 3 unprotected first round picks against three aging vets who wouldn't lead us to a championship?

I think Ainge nailed it.

Any competent GM would've done exactly what Ainge did nine times out of ten.

[Denis998]

They way I see it his contract will expire just as the first round of Brooklyn picks will kick in. No doubt in my mind that this was a good deal, maybe even of have taken a contract like Amare's for these picks.

[Denis998]

it has become quite fashionable to write about the deal that sent KG and PP to Brooklyn as a favorable trade for the Celtics because of all the accumulated assets and the impending Brooklyn implosion that will make these assets really valuable assets. One thing that is always left unsaid about this Brooklyn deal is that terrible Wallace contract the Cs absorbed.

The truth is the Wallace contract has become an albatross on the roster and prevents us from making a move not to talk about the millions of dollars spent without any return for the money spent. Therefore when the Brooklyn deal is analyzed the analysts should put in the Boston column of what they gave up the almost 40 million dollars paid on the Wallace contract and if Cs have to spend a first to get rid of that contract that should also be added to what the Cs gave up in that deal. So we add PP, KG, Jet, 40 million dollars, and a 1st for whatever we got in return.


When this is done, the deal does not look like that steal it was for Celtics, does it?

Ummm 3 unprotected first round picks against three aging vets who wouldn't lead us to a championship?

I think Ainge nailed it.

Any competent GM would've done exactly what Ainge did nine times out of ten.

Do you think Billy King would himself do this trade in retrospect if he was Ainge?

[beantownboy171]

The celtic's acquired James Young, Isaiah Thomas, Tyler Zeller, 2016 & 2018 first rounders and the right to swap 1st's in 2017. The trade also allowed the celtics to bottom out and draft Marcus Smart.

We did have to absorb Wallace's contract and gave up the final years of Pierce in green. However to your point about wasted money and gerald wallace. I would argue that Kevin Garnett has also been overpaid (he made 12 million last year). Wallace's contract hasn't been an issue until this off-season.

A lot has yet to be determined about our return in this trade. What happens to the Nets this offseason will really impact our future flexibility in trades and in the draft. If Lopez, Young and Teletovic all find new teams they could find themselves at the bottom the atlantic division over night.

[beantownboy171]

I'd like to see someone try to argue that Brooklyn won the trade.

[celticsfan8591]

Sure, the Wallace contract wasn't great, but having him on the roster didn't cost us anything.  We weren't going to sign any meaningful free agents with that money.  Also, don't forget the trade exception we got for Pierce, which ended up netting us Tyler Zeller and Isaiah Thomas.  So the assets we still have as a result of trading Pierce, Garnett, and Terry are Wallace, James Young, Zeller, Thomas, and potential lottery picks in 2016 and 2018.  I don't see how that's anything but an overwhelming win for us.

[PAOBoston]

How exactly has Wallace's contract been an albatross to the C's? He's an expiring contract this year. I don't think there is anyone who would say no to that deal. Does Wallace stink? Yeah. But he was the cost to unload 3 aging vets in order to get 3 unprotected (and possibly lottery) picks. He was totally worth it.

[BDeCosta26]

I can't believe this is even supposed to be a legit debate. The Nets gave us a total of 3 first round picks, with a probable 4th that are all likely to be AT LEAST 18 or above, for KG's corpse, one year of a declining Paul Pierce and Jason Terry. That trade is one of the great trade heists in recent NBA history.

Literally the only long-term commitment we had to make for those picks was taking on the Wallace deal. That deal is bad, sure. But were way ahead of schedule right now on this rebuild. His contract is up next summer, and has slight value at the deadline as a large expiring. We didn't plan on making the playoffs after one bad season.

Ainge stockpiled all these assets so he can have the flexibility to do a lot of different things. If we have to use one of those picks to dump Wallace and free up space, so be it. Ainge will only do that of were gonna need the space. The only reason that's even being considered is because were ahead of schedule and FA's might actually consider signing here.

There is no way you can look at that deal and see anything except downright robbery on the part of Ainge and the C's.

[BudweiserCeltic]

it has become quite fashionable to write about the deal that sent KG and PP to Brooklyn as a favorable trade for the Celtics because of all the accumulated assets and the impending Brooklyn implosion that will make these assets really valuable assets. One thing that is always left unsaid about this Brooklyn deal is that terrible Wallace contract the Cs absorbed.

The truth is the Wallace contract has become an albatross on the roster and prevents us from making a move not to talk about the millions of dollars spent without any return for the money spent. Therefore when the Brooklyn deal is analyzed the analysts should put in the Boston column of what they gave up the almost 40 million dollars paid on the Wallace contract and if Cs have to spend a first to get rid of that contract that should also be added to what the Cs gave up in that deal. So we add PP, KG, Jet, 40 million dollars, and a 1st for whatever we got in return.


When this is done, the deal does not look like that steal it was for Celtics, does it?

Here's someone who doesn't understand how the cap works...

[michael32951]

The Celtics made out big time on this trade, Brooklyn needed to win a championship to justify all they gave up, now they have nothing to show for it and no future.  As for Wallace he is in the last year of his contract and could still be used for a trade with picks to match salaries 

[Granath]

If this trade were a boxing match, Boston won by KO in the 1st round.

[Boris Badenov]

We did have to absorb Wallace's contract and gave up the final years of Pierce in green. However to your point about wasted money and gerald wallace. I would argue that Kevin Garnett has also been overpaid (he made 12 million last year). Wallace's contract hasn't been an issue until this off-season.

Yeah, this is the right way to think about it. And don't forget we unloaded Terry's contract too, he was still on that C's contract this year at $5m per year.

The incremental salary commitment was one extra year at $10 million, the way I view it. This is assuming we let Pierce go...if at any point we'd resigned him through next year, it would probably be for similar money and our cap position would be very similar to what it is now.

[Future Celtics Owner]

We did. Its allowed us to get so much more than those 3 picks.

[mctyson]

If this trade were a boxing match, Boston won by KO in the 1st round.

From a trade perspective, without question.  And I also believe the Celtics have a much brighter future because of that trade.  But...

You could argue that KG and PP had at least one, if not two, solid-to-good seasons left in them when the trade was made.  Had Rondo not tore his ACL, they could have pushed the Heat one more time, as they did in the '12 playoffs.  Who knows what that team in '13 could have been with a healthy Rondo?  Maybe with a shrewd move or two they are in the same position last year?

Danny did dismantle the aging core of a dominant NBA team to make the trade, and who knows when this team gets back to that level (I believe very soon).