who really won the Celtic Brooklyn trade

[aingeforthree]

it has become quite fashionable to write about the deal that sent KG and PP to Brooklyn as a favorable trade for the Celtics because of all the accumulated assets and the impending Brooklyn implosion that will make these assets really valuable assets. One thing that is always left unsaid about this Brooklyn deal is that terrible Wallace contract the Cs absorbed.

The truth is the Wallace contract has become an albatross on the roster and prevents us from making a move not to talk about the millions of dollars spent without any return for the money spent. Therefore when the Brooklyn deal is analyzed the analysts should put in the Boston column of what they gave up the almost 40 million dollars paid on the Wallace contract and if Cs have to spend a first to get rid of that contract that should also be added to what the Cs gave up in that deal. So we add PP, KG, Jet, 40 million dollars, and a 1st for whatever we got in return.


When this is done, the deal does not look like that steal it was for Celtics, does it?

Is this even up for a debate ?  This trade was a grand slam if you're a Celtic fan.  Incredible deal for the Celtics.  A great move.

[chlldaddy]

You will NOT know just how good of a trade it was until 2018 or until those future picks are used or traded.  If you are making a point of Wallaces contract being the reason the trade doesn't look good then I don't even start to understand it. Do you think we get all those picks WITHOUT taking a bad contact back? No way Brooklyn can even think about that trade without unloading the Wallace contract. Is he worth 40 million NO but almost every team has a bad contract for someone that doesn't produce but he has been a first class teammate and honestly he may do more behind the scenes with the young players than we all know.  Heck I don't know how much we paid Fab but that was wasted money with NO return in this situation we will get a huge return by 2018.

[Forza Juventus]

The trade allowed us to get Isaiah with the Pierce trade exception. That alone makes us the winners of the trade. Plus we got Zeller, Brooklyn draft picks, etc.

[KingChre]

When this is done, the deal does not look like that steal it was for Celtics, does it?

Actually, yes. Yes it does. Thanks for coming 

[D.o.s.]

When this is done, the deal does not look like that steal it was for Celtics, does it?

Actually, yes. Yes it does. Thanks for coming 

This.

[celts10]

I'd like to see someone try to argue that Brooklyn won the trade.

The trade worked out for Brooklyn in the short term (one season) and worked out for Boston in the long term. No championship for them, but Pierce and KG's leadership kept that team afloat; they would have easily folded had they not been there. And if D-Will had healthy ankles that year, they may have gone farther.

[max215]

This is a new level of Celtics fan self-hate. I mean seriously: this is ridiculous. And to answer your question: this wasn't just a win for the Celtics, it was bonafide robbery.

[Granath]

If this trade were a boxing match, Boston won by KO in the 1st round.

From a trade perspective, without question.  And I also believe the Celtics have a much brighter future because of that trade.  But...

You could argue that KG and PP had at least one, if not two, solid-to-good seasons left in them when the trade was made.  Had Rondo not tore his ACL, they could have pushed the Heat one more time, as they did in the '12 playoffs.  Who knows what that team in '13 could have been with a healthy Rondo?  Maybe with a shrewd move or two they are in the same position last year?

Danny did dismantle the aging core of a dominant NBA team to make the trade, and who knows when this team gets back to that level (I believe very soon).

Actually, you couldn't argue that about KG. Garnett's play has fallen off a cliff since the trade from Boston. Nor was the team "dominant" any more. The 2011-12 Celtics finished at 39-27 and it took 7 games to get by a lousy Philly team in the 2nd round. They managed to push Miami in the Conf final but that was the last hurrah. The 2012-2013 Celtics finished 41-40 and were only 20-18 with Rondo that year. They got blown out in the 1st round of the playoffs to a mediocre Knicks team. The window had already shut even before Rondo went down.

Knowing that even if pre-injury Rondo returned (and he didn't), Danny knew that it would take a season and a half for that to happen - in short, the return for a healthy Rondo would have been this past season. So keeping them would require pushing the window out 2 years. Danny correctly banked on KG and PP not having two seasons left in them and correctly traded them.

[GreenFaith1819]

Great deal for BOS, IMO.

The issue with GW's contract can be offset somewhat by the fact that he's been a good leader while playing limited minutes and has been a mentor to our younger players.

Would like to see him back in some capacity if DA could make the money work.

[mahonedog88]

There's no way that you can argue that Brooklyn actually won the trade.

However, I will say that I'm not so sure the haul the Cs got will turn out to be as good as we thought.  I think once we saw all the 1st round picks coming our way, and given the current state of the Nets, that Ainge timed it perfectly and these would be really high picks...that's what I thought anyway

I'm not so sure of that anymore.  Given that GM Billy King did that trade in the first place, one can only imagine the kinds of trades he'll attempt just to keep the team competitive.  Plus, after next season, Brook Lopez, Joe Johnson, and Thaddeus Young all come off the books so they'll have plenty of money to spend.  Can't discount Lionel Hollins either, he's a pretty solid coach.

So while there's no debate at all that the Cs won that trade, it's how much they actually got in return that's up for debate.  And we won't be able to settle that debate for another 3 years.

[max215]

There's no way that you can argue that Brooklyn actually won the trade.

However, I will say that I'm not so sure the haul the Cs got will turn out to be as good as we thought.  I think once we saw all the 1st round picks coming our way, and given the current state of the Nets, that Ainge timed it perfectly and these would be really high picks...that's what I thought anyway

I'm not so sure of that anymore.  Given that GM Billy King did that trade in the first place, one can only imagine the kinds of trades he'll attempt just to keep the team competitive.  Plus, after next season, Brook Lopez, Joe Johnson, and Thaddeus Young all come off the books so they'll have plenty of money to spend.  Can't discount Lionel Hollins either, he's a pretty solid coach.

So while there's no debate at all that the Cs won that trade, it's how much they actually got in return that's up for debate.  And we won't be able to settle that debate for another 3 years.

Odds are its more like 6 years until we see what our picks end up being. That is unless the Nets pick next year winds up being Ben Simmons...

[mahonedog88]

There's no way that you can argue that Brooklyn actually won the trade.

However, I will say that I'm not so sure the haul the Cs got will turn out to be as good as we thought.  I think once we saw all the 1st round picks coming our way, and given the current state of the Nets, that Ainge timed it perfectly and these would be really high picks...that's what I thought anyway

I'm not so sure of that anymore.  Given that GM Billy King did that trade in the first place, one can only imagine the kinds of trades he'll attempt just to keep the team competitive.  Plus, after next season, Brook Lopez, Joe Johnson, and Thaddeus Young all come off the books so they'll have plenty of money to spend.  Can't discount Lionel Hollins either, he's a pretty solid coach.

So while there's no debate at all that the Cs won that trade, it's how much they actually got in return that's up for debate.  And we won't be able to settle that debate for another 3 years.

Odds are its more like 6 years until we see what our picks end up being. That is unless the Nets pick next year winds up being Ben Simmons...

In terms of the actual talent, absolutely.  But I was just talking specifically about draft position.

[max215]

There's no way that you can argue that Brooklyn actually won the trade.

However, I will say that I'm not so sure the haul the Cs got will turn out to be as good as we thought.  I think once we saw all the 1st round picks coming our way, and given the current state of the Nets, that Ainge timed it perfectly and these would be really high picks...that's what I thought anyway

I'm not so sure of that anymore.  Given that GM Billy King did that trade in the first place, one can only imagine the kinds of trades he'll attempt just to keep the team competitive.  Plus, after next season, Brook Lopez, Joe Johnson, and Thaddeus Young all come off the books so they'll have plenty of money to spend.  Can't discount Lionel Hollins either, he's a pretty solid coach.

So while there's no debate at all that the Cs won that trade, it's how much they actually got in return that's up for debate.  And we won't be able to settle that debate for another 3 years.

Odds are its more like 6 years until we see what our picks end up being. That is unless the Nets pick next year winds up being Ben Simmons...

In terms of the actual talent, absolutely.  But I was just talking specifically about draft position.

Oh ok, then yes it'll be 3 years. However, I'd also argue that if any of the picks wind up being top 5, we'll know immediately that the trade was downright criminal.

[LooseCannon]

The truth is the Wallace contract has become an albatross on the roster and prevents us from making a move

This statement is completely untrue.

[mahonedog88]

There's no way that you can argue that Brooklyn actually won the trade.

However, I will say that I'm not so sure the haul the Cs got will turn out to be as good as we thought.  I think once we saw all the 1st round picks coming our way, and given the current state of the Nets, that Ainge timed it perfectly and these would be really high picks...that's what I thought anyway

I'm not so sure of that anymore.  Given that GM Billy King did that trade in the first place, one can only imagine the kinds of trades he'll attempt just to keep the team competitive.  Plus, after next season, Brook Lopez, Joe Johnson, and Thaddeus Young all come off the books so they'll have plenty of money to spend.  Can't discount Lionel Hollins either, he's a pretty solid coach.

So while there's no debate at all that the Cs won that trade, it's how much they actually got in return that's up for debate.  And we won't be able to settle that debate for another 3 years.

Odds are its more like 6 years until we see what our picks end up being. That is unless the Nets pick next year winds up being Ben Simmons...

In terms of the actual talent, absolutely.  But I was just talking specifically about draft position.

Oh ok, then yes it'll be 3 years. However, I'd still argue that if any of the picks wind up being top 5, we'll know immediately that the trade was downright criminal.

Oh totally.  That's absolute best case scenario and if it does happen, that trade could go down as one of the biggest train robbery trades in Celtics history, maybe even sports history depending on what the Celtics actually do with the picks.  And that's not an exaggeration.

But like I said, I'm not as confident as I initially was that it was going in that direction.  Realistically, I'm guessing they'll be closer to 9-15.