Chad Ford's Tier Rankings based on info from GM's & Scouts

[Tr1boy]

Informative post. Thanks.

Surprised Jordan Mickey not even in tier 6.

Ford is an Idiot. Mickey will be better than some guys from tier 5.

Led sec in double doubles , 2nd in rebounds, 1st in bpg. If it was not for an iron deficiency issue ,he would of ended the year on a stronger note. I hope he keeps getting ranked lower by ppl like ford, eddie20 so that the celts have a chance to grab him with a 2nd round pick.

[Forza Juventus]

Who did ford have in tier 2 last year?

http://hawksquawk.net/community/topic/394690-chad-ford-ranking-draft-prospects-by-tiers-2014/

Tier 2:
Dante Exum
Aaron Gordon
Julius Randle
Dario Saric
Marcus Smart
Noah Vonleh
 

So keep that in mind when getting overhyped about all the guys in the draft this year aside from towns.  I still like a lot of those guys in last year's tier 2.   If mudiay, pozingus, Okafor and Russell are lumped in with those guys, it means they might take some time but they have potential to be big contributors in a few years.

He had Gary Harris, McDermott and stauskas in tier 3. 

This kind of paints the picture that last year's was thought to be better by scouts.

I wasn't that high on most of those tier 2 guys last year. At the time I was high on Gordon and Smart. For some reason I'm higher on the tier 2 guys in this years draft than I was on last years draft. I'm higher on this years tier 3 and 4 guys than last year to. idk why.

If you are anything like me, you'd be more high on this year's tier 2, because we always want what we can't have.  Last year we were picking 6th and kind of bummed that we missed out on tier 1.  Pessimism/disappointment made us less than enthusiastic about our remaining options.  This year we have almost no shot to get into tier 2... So we think of it as the holy grail.
Ultimately, the 4 guys in tier 2 this year are just as much boom/bust as the 6 guys in tier 2 last year.  It's going to take several years for us to see how they pan out.

That's a interesting take. I feel like I just like a lot of the players in this draft more but maybe your right.

[Eddie20]

Informative post. Thanks.

Surprised Jordan Mickey not even in tier 6.

Ford is an Idiot. Mickey will be better than some guys from tier 5.

Led sec in double doubles , 2nd in rebounds, 1st in bpg. If it was not for an iron deficiency issue ,he would of ended the year on a stronger note. I hope he keeps getting ranked lower by ppl like ford, eddie20 so that the celts have a chance to grab him with a 2nd round pick.

The info is coming from scouts and GM's. You're killing the messenger.

[Forza Juventus]

Informative post. Thanks.

Surprised Jordan Mickey not even in tier 6.

Ford is an Idiot. Mickey will be better than some guys from tier 5.

Led sec in double doubles , 2nd in rebounds, 1st in bpg. If it was not for an iron deficiency issue ,he would of ended the year on a stronger note. I hope he keeps getting ranked lower by ppl like ford, eddie20 so that the celts have a chance to grab him with a 2nd round pick.

The info is coming from scouts and GM's. You're killing the messenger.

I read somewhere that Chad Ford just does favors for agents he likes and talks those players up but idk if its tru tho.

[Eja117]

I wonder if Jordan Clarkson was like tier 8 or something and maybe back in the day Isaiah Thomas was tier 12

[LarBrd33]

I wonder if Jordan Clarkson was like tier 8 or something and maybe back in the day Isaiah Thomas was tier 12

i didn't see Payton or nurkic in either of his top two tiers last season... And those guys were pretty impressive.

Isn't his tier system based on info he gets from teams?  It's not his personal tiers.  That's how scouts see the tiers right now... There are always busts and surprises every season in spite of that. 

[Future Celtics Owner]

This shows why there may not be much value in trading for the 9th pick. This draft is 8 deep with the drop off beginning at 9.

Many believe players like Myles Turner and Stanley Johnson will be around 10-12. If that is the case then ya I would trade up using one of our players.

[Eja117]

I wonder if Jordan Clarkson was like tier 8 or something and maybe back in the day Isaiah Thomas was tier 12

i didn't see Payton or nurkic in either of his top two tiers last season... And those guys were pretty impressive.

Isn't his tier system based on info he gets from teams?  It's not his personal tiers.  That's how scouts see the tiers right now... There are always busts and surprises every season in spite of that.

You are basically right. I mean the teams themselves really did have those guys in those tiers. If they had known what they would have done they would have known what tier to put them in and would have drafted them higher. Chad may very well be telling the truth about what teams think

[Tr1boy]

Informative post. Thanks.

Surprised Jordan Mickey not even in tier 6.

Ford is an Idiot. Mickey will be better than some guys from tier 5.

Led sec in double doubles , 2nd in rebounds, 1st in bpg. If it was not for an iron deficiency issue ,he would of ended the year on a stronger note. I hope he keeps getting ranked lower by ppl like ford, eddie20 so that the celts have a chance to grab him with a 2nd round pick.

The info is coming from scouts and GM's. You're killing the messenger.

And how does he come up with the tiering? Some scout gave him a list?

He is gathering the info perhaps but coming up with his own tiering. Or his opinion. Some scouts have a tier 4 guy in tier 5. Some the other way around

I trust a guy like Givony from Draftexpress that actually attends workouts, interviews the prospects personally , travels to europe etc. Then wannabe scout like Chad Ford

[Eddie20]

Informative post. Thanks.

Surprised Jordan Mickey not even in tier 6.

Ford is an Idiot. Mickey will be better than some guys from tier 5.

Led sec in double doubles , 2nd in rebounds, 1st in bpg. If it was not for an iron deficiency issue ,he would of ended the year on a stronger note. I hope he keeps getting ranked lower by ppl like ford, eddie20 so that the celts have a chance to grab him with a 2nd round pick.

The info is coming from scouts and GM's. You're killing the messenger.

And how does he come up with the tiering? Some scout gave him a list?

He is gathering the info perhaps but coming up with his own tiering. Or his opinion. Some scouts have a tier 4 guy in tier 5. Some the other way around

I trust a guy like Givony from Draftexpress that actually attends workouts, interviews the prospects personally , travels to europe etc. Then wannabe scout like Chad Ford

You didnt understand how he came up with the tiers? Things like this didn't help?

This is a very strong Tier 3, as well. Hezonja and Winslow received Tier 2 votes from teams. However, both fell just short of the cut.

Ford actually does all of the things Givony does.

[Tr1boy]

Informative post. Thanks.

Surprised Jordan Mickey not even in tier 6.

Ford is an Idiot. Mickey will be better than some guys from tier 5.

Led sec in double doubles , 2nd in rebounds, 1st in bpg. If it was not for an iron deficiency issue ,he would of ended the year on a stronger note. I hope he keeps getting ranked lower by ppl like ford, eddie20 so that the celts have a chance to grab him with a 2nd round pick.

The info is coming from scouts and GM's. You're killing the messenger.

And how does he come up with the tiering? Some scout gave him a list?

He is gathering the info perhaps but coming up with his own tiering. Or his opinion. Some scouts have a tier 4 guy in tier 5. Some the other way around

I trust a guy like Givony from Draftexpress that actually attends workouts, interviews the prospects personally , travels to europe etc. Then wannabe scout like Chad Ford

You didnt understand how he came up with the tiers? Things like this didn't help?

This is a very strong Tier 3, as well. Hezonja and Winslow received Tier 2 votes from teams. However, both fell just short of the cut.

Ford actually does all of the things Givony does.

well Givony thinks Hezonja is at the same level as Russell.    So what you do say about that?

Hezonja and Porzingis play in a top euro league. Considered better than the NCAA.  So who is to say his opinion is wrong.

I don't get how Ford gets "votes" from the gms/scouts.  Does he send out surveys and gms/scouts are happy to provide their opinion? 

[byennie]

This shows why there may not be much value in trading for the 9th pick. This draft is 8 deep with the drop off beginning at 9.

Many believe players like Myles Turner and Stanley Johnson will be around 10-12. If that is the case then ya I would trade up using one of our players.

#10 is the magic number I think. In my opinion Johnson and Turner belong in Tier 3.

TOP 10 (in any order - point is one will be available at #10)

Towns
Okafor
Russell
Porzingis
Mudiay
Winslow
Hezonga
WCS
Turner
Johnson

[Forza Juventus]

This shows why there may not be much value in trading for the 9th pick. This draft is 8 deep with the drop off beginning at 9.

Many believe players like Myles Turner and Stanley Johnson will be around 10-12. If that is the case then ya I would trade up using one of our players.

#10 is the magic number I think. In my opinion Johnson and Turner belong in Tier 3.

TOP 10 (in any order - point is one will be available at #10)

Towns
Okafor
Russell
Porzingis
Mudiay
Winslow
Hezonga
WCS
Turner
Johnson

I agree with you. Oubre looks good to though.

[MBunge]

So, there have been 7 guys in tier one since 2009 with three of them being added last year.

But there have been 5 other guys since 2009 who pretty clearly became tier one stars in the league.
Harden.
Curry.
Cousins.
Paul George.
Kyrie.

If we leave out last year and this because we haven't had time to judge those draft classes, the experts were right in predicting greatness for the three guys they loved but they missed the greatness in 5 more guys.


Mike

[byennie]

This shows why there may not be much value in trading for the 9th pick. This draft is 8 deep with the drop off beginning at 9.

Many believe players like Myles Turner and Stanley Johnson will be around 10-12. If that is the case then ya I would trade up using one of our players.

#10 is the magic number I think. In my opinion Johnson and Turner belong in Tier 3.

TOP 10 (in any order - point is one will be available at #10)

Towns
Okafor
Russell
Porzingis
Mudiay
Winslow
Hezonga
WCS
Turner
Johnson

I agree with you. Oubre looks good to though.

I think Oubre may have higher upside than a couple of these guys, but also considerably higher risk. Close call, though.

Just for fun, but this is about how I'd rate these guys in terms of their potential (1 = out of league, 2 = deep bench, 3-5 = rotation player, 6-7 = starter, 8 = All-Star, 9 = 1st team All-Star, 10 = MVP+)

Asterisk means I think a player is more likely to hit that extreme that average. So, I see Towns as a real MVP candidate, and Oubre as relatively high risk to end up as a bench player (but still with All-Star potential).

Towns: 7-10*
Okafor: 6-9
Russell: 6-9
Porzingis: 6-9
Mudiay: 5*-9
Winslow: 5-8
Hezonga: 5-8
WCS: 5-8
Turner: 4-8
Johnson: 5-7
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Oubre: 4*-8
Booker: 4*-7
Kaminsky: 4-6
Payne: 4-7
RJ Hunter: 3-7
B Portis: 4-6
Trey Lyles: 4-7
Dekker: 4-6