Chris Sheridan: C's could trade for #4 pick (speculation)

[rondohondo]

    If Jahlil Okafor is available at No. 4, the New York Knicks will take him.

    If Okafor is gone, somebody is going to take the No. 4 pick from the Knicks.

    This is the intel I am hearing from points near and far as we count down the days to the 2015 NBA Draft. Phil Jackson has a bare cupboard when it comes to future draft picks, and he is inclined to trade down in exchange for multiple picks in this year?s draft and in future drafts.

    The educated guess here is that he will go back and forth with Sam Hinkie of Philadelphia and Danny Ainge of Boston in an effort to restock the cupboard.



http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2015/06/19/podcast-knicks-likely-to-trade-no-4-pick/

Say Towns, Russell and Okafor are the top 3 picks

Who would you take if the c's could move up to 4?

I would probably have to go with Winslow,Prozingis or Mudiay

[Who]

Glad not a Knicks fan. Sounds a scary trade to make. Quantity over quality.

[The One]

    If Jahlil Okafor is available at No. 4, the New York Knicks will take him.

    If Okafor is gone, somebody is going to take the No. 4 pick from the Knicks.

    This is the intel I am hearing from points near and far as we count down the days to the 2015 NBA Draft. Phil Jackson has a bare cupboard when it comes to future draft picks, and he is inclined to trade down in exchange for multiple picks in this year?s draft and in future drafts.

    The educated guess here is that he will go back and forth with Sam Hinkie of Philadelphia and Danny Ainge of Boston in an effort to restock the cupboard.



http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2015/06/19/podcast-knicks-likely-to-trade-no-4-pick/

Say Towns, Russell and Okafor are the top 3 picks

Who would you take if the c's could move up to 4?

I would probably have to go with Winslow,Prozingis or Mudiay

Mudiay or Prozingis...shooting for the stars!

[LarBrd33]

after the dust clears on the draft posturing and misinformation, it seems pretty clear that the top 2 will be Towns and Okafor... otherwise Minny and LA are smoking crack.

After that, it's pretty clear that the 76ers will take Russell... they need a versatile scorer and he has the biggest boom/bust potential of any player in the top 25 ... That's Hinkie gold.   I'm pretty sure the Embiid stuff is exaggerated.  Russell will likely be their pick. 

Then I think it's pretty much a crap shoot... and although we're all getting draftoverhypeitus, I don't really think the lack of consensus is because of how deep the draft is... I just think it's a lot of hit/miss guys.   Mudiay maybe has the best chance of turning into something, but he's a bad fit for the triangle and could be a major bust.   Pozingus is getting a lot of press lately, but so did Yi Jianlian.   I'm on record as being underwhelmed by Willie Cauley Stein.  He should be a nice rim protector, but I'm not convinced he's any better than Bismack Biyombo.    There's some guys like Winslow that some people like, but some drafts have him going as low as 8th.    I wouldn't blame the Knicks for trading down or out entirely.   I"m not as hyped on this draft as most people are.   And I kinda see our #16 and #28 picks as borderline worthless.  Danny is going to want up or out.   Actually, there's some logic in him trading down too.   Don't rule that out.   I'll be surprised if he stands pat, though.

[Endless Paradise]

Remember, NBA Draft fans that 95% of "reports" this week are designed for misdirection or to smoke out another team's interest in your pick.

[footey]

I would be willing to shoot the moon if we could get Porzingis, and still hang onto Smart and, maybe IT.  Every other player is fair game. I just don't see Phil caring about picks, though, if he is trying to rebuild right away with Anthony. Makes no sense to me.

[Quetzalcoatl]

I would love a Mudiay / Smart backcourt.  Tons of size, both can handle the ball and they cover each other's weaknesses.  If Smart kept improving his 3p%, then the sky's the limit

[celticsclay]

It seems like to me the guys at 4-8 or something like that are pretty interchangable some people perfer mudiay, some winslow, some Prozingis. Probably would be a lot better to trade for 8th if possible

[manl_lui]

we're gonna need to trade a lot of people for that #4 pick...bad front office, but Phil is not idiot in my opinion.

but say we do get it, I want Winslow

[PhoSita]

Trade them IT, Sullinger, #16, and one of the Brooklyn picks for Calderon and #4.

Draft whichever of Mudiay, Russell, or Okafor is still on the board.

Run away, cackling with glee.

[TheTruthFot18]

we're gonna need to trade a lot of people for that #4 pick...bad front office, but Phil is not idiot in my opinion.

but say we do get it, I want Winslow

Okafor will be gone by 4. If we're trading up it's either for Winslow, Johnson, or WCS.

If we're going for sf and c this off season, which would you rather have?

Draft Winslow/Johnson and sign a Robin Lopez or
Draft WCS and re-sign Crowder.

Wislow and WCS will need more assets to get but otherwise the first choice is far superior but also more risky. The second choice will likely have no surprises, get what you pay for.

[TheTruthFot18]

Trade them IT, Sullinger, #16, and one of the Brooklyn picks for Calderon and #4.

Draft whichever of Mudiay, Russell, or Okafor is still on the board.

Run away, cackling with glee.

I'd rather keep our two best players than that trade.

in 2013 Minny traded the 9th pick for #14 and #21. We could trade for #8 or #9 with #16, #28, and KO or young and draft S. Johnson. At first glance that didn't seem like a good trade for Minny but after year two I think they won that trade.

[Donoghus]

Playing along with this game, I'd go with Winslow.    I don't know squat on Mudiay & think there is quite a bit of hype machine going on with Russell right now. 

Like LarBrd33, I'm not big on WCS & certainly not taking him at #4.

[slamtheking]

Trade them IT, Sullinger, #16, and one of the Brooklyn picks for Calderon and #4.

Draft whichever of Mudiay, Russell, or Okafor is still on the board.

Run away, cackling with glee.

very little comfort in giving up that much to hope Mudiay pans out while we still have Smart on the roster developing into our future PG.  Sully and IT are proven contributors that fill holes on the Knicks roster.  not that I want to pay that much with #16 but I get it.  no Brooklyn pick though and I'd avoid taking back the corpse of Calderon.  past his prime and needs to be on a contending team which is exactly what we won't be after this deal goes through.

if we're not targetting Mudiay at 4 (Okafor and Russell will go 2 and 3) which I can't imagine we are why give up that much when we could theoretically get a lower pick at less cost?

fwiw, no way I give up any of those Brooklyn picks right now, certainly not for anything less than an all-star level player or a definite can't-miss-player.  I really don't see anyone in this draft other than Towns as can't miss and he's not on an Anthony Davis level of can't miss either.

[CelticsFan166]

we're gonna need to trade a lot of people for that #4 pick...bad front office, but Phil is not idiot in my opinion.

but say we do get it, I want Winslow

Okafor will be gone by 4. If we're trading up it's either for Winslow, Johnson, or WCS.

If we're going for sf and c this off season, which would you rather have?

Draft Winslow/Johnson and sign a Robin Lopez or
Draft WCS and re-sign Crowder.

Wislow and WCS will need more assets to get but otherwise the first choice is far superior but also more risky. The second choice will likely have no surprises, get what you pay for.

I had a thread on this a couple days ago, about which would be better between drafting a SF and signing a C or vice versa. I think drafting a high-level rim protector like WCS and signing our SF would be better, mainly because long, athletic, defensive minded big men like Jordan, Gasol, and Chandler are a rarity and are in high demand nowadays. Scoring SFs such as Harris or Middleton are a dime a dozen and with the salary cap going up would be much easier to find and more affordable 2 years down the road.

This is part of the reason I was on the "sign JaVale McGee" bandwagon towards the end of this season, as boneheaded as he is the Celtics sorely lack a long, athletic, above-the-rim shot blocker and alley-oop finisher. WCS or even Upshaw in the second round IF he could get his life back on track could fill that need perfectly.