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Re: Danny should stay put
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2015, 06:44:35 AM »

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I think if he moves , it's a. Deal he has made that pretty much guarantees he can get the man he wants .

Unless we can get a really good prospect like WCS or Winslow with a big trade , , might not be worth asset risk.

I think ....he l have offers on the table .....waiting to see where certain players fall .   

Re: Danny should stay put
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2015, 06:53:45 AM »

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Prospects get soooo hyped......

I like Stanley johnson too and Winslow but are they really better for what we need than Dekker?  We might have to move up to get him.

I'd say we come out of this draft with something like that and get some help on the interior somehow I don't know. I'd feel pretty confident.

We are right where we need to be this draft imo.
Dekker is one player who I have no interest in.  I'd much rather have Johnson or Winslow who I think are better than Dekker now and have much more upside.  They both are good defenders so they should be able to earn playing time as rookies.   

Re: Danny should stay put
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2015, 07:19:51 AM »

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Some don't like them but I trade up for 5 guys or I stay put
(Towns and Okafor excluded obviously)
Winslow, Mario, WCS, S.J., Porzingis. Other than those guys I stay put.

Not a fan if international prospects since they might not even play here.

But the other 3 guys I would gladly trade up for. They're not top 5 picks so we could have a shot.
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Re: Danny should stay put
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2015, 07:32:36 AM »

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I think Danny is more or less forced to either move up or out or draft and stash at least 2 picks. It is very difficult to carry James Young (a semi-rookie) + more than 2 rookies. 2 rookies + Young might be the best outcome from roster perspective

If he manages to trade up to 8, 9 or 10 one of the guys in Csfan1984's list will be there. This has been discussed a lot and is probably the best option.

If no trade for top 10 is available, I guess he will be trying to use 28 and 33 and move up in the 20-22 range. There will be good options available there, who will not be on the board at 28 - one of RJ Hunter, Anderson, Vaughn, RHJ, Harrell.

This would give us:
- 16 - one of Dekker, Portis, Oubre, Lyles etc..
- 22 - one of  RJ Hunter, Anderson, Vaughn, RHJ, Harrell
- 45 - stash in the EU or D-League.

Not a bad outcome to me. Not perfect by any means, but not bad either.

Tommy Point!  This is the best synopsis of where we are at I have heard so far!  I would be stoked for either outcome and a little luck.  Unfortunately, Lyles is the only guy mentioned at 16 that I think could BOTH help this year and have good upside, but I am sure Danny could do something good with that list.

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Re: Danny should stay put
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2015, 07:54:21 AM »

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I hope we avoid Dekker too.

If a good opportunity presents itself, if I were him I would pounce on it.   What do I mean by a good opportunity, one where we get a solid advantage and deal from a point of strength.  If not stay.

Re: Danny should stay put
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2015, 08:23:18 AM »

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Boy, I couldn't disagree more with the OP.  I think staying put should be a last resort and only done if the alternative is a bad or sideways trade.  It is far better to consolidate our trade assets (primarily picks and future picks) by trading two or three for one better asset. 

My favorite would be to do something with the Knicks to get #4.  That pick is not going to help Carmelo for a  couple of years.  They can't wait.  There is a combination of picks and players that will get the Knicks to trade the pick, just not sure the Celtics have the players.

The next best would be to go after SAC (#6) or another in the 7-9 range.  I believe you can get a pretty good player in this range.  Some combination of Bradley, Olynyk, #16, future firsts should be able to be put together to match up with one of these teams.  I think it is very possible that we could do something like Bradley and the Dallas 2016 first plus say a future Philly second and keep this years #16 and move up.

If we can't make any of these combinations work, then staying put is certainly not the end of the world.  We should still get some talent and you never know, with 4 picks, we might luck into a sleeper.

Re: Danny should stay put
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2015, 11:00:09 PM »

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Unless there is a player that jumps out at us that we need to get I'd be pretty happy drafting a guy like Dekker at 16 and getting a rim protector some other way.  I don't think trades need to be made.  We have a lot of versatility with picks where in the future we might be able to score a stud young player that really comes through for us. 

I want Danny to build this thing and let players develop over time.  There's no reason to force things.

The way I envision this team is we have Brad Stevens.  He is our guy.  What we want are good interior rebounders and scorers and defenders on the wings and from the point of attack and on the interiot.  Being undersized is ok. It's not ideal ultimately.  Versatility and just a well coached team that is going to develop over time.

I VEHEMENTLY disagree with this.

It should be about assembling the best team to win a championship and the sooner it can be done, the better.

Player development means jack squat to me. It's about championships and you don't win those unless you have star players.


Re: Danny should stay put
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2015, 01:02:34 AM »

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How many trades did DA pull off last year?

He is constantly on the phones and makes every trade where he feels the C's are getting good value. If there's a good trade available, he'll do it. If not, he'll stay at 16 and improve in other ways. There's no reason to make rash decisions, but you still have to jump at any opportunity that increases the overall value of the C's assets. Luckily we have enough assets that it's finally time to consolidate!
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Re: Danny should stay put
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2015, 02:28:50 AM »

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He should trade up, but not for a pick in the top 7. I'd love to see us get Stanley Johnson. I think he could be a Luol Deng 2.0.


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Re: Danny should stay put
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2015, 02:46:12 AM »

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Unless there is a player that jumps out at us that we need to get I'd be pretty happy drafting a guy like Dekker at 16 and getting a rim protector some other way.  I don't think trades need to be made.  We have a lot of versatility with picks where in the future we might be able to score a stud young player that really comes through for us. 

I want Danny to build this thing and let players develop over time.  There's no reason to force things.

The way I envision this team is we have Brad Stevens.  He is our guy.  What we want are good interior rebounders and scorers and defenders on the wings and from the point of attack and on the interiot.  Being undersized is ok. It's not ideal ultimately.  Versatility and just a well coached team that is going to develop over time.

I VEHEMENTLY disagree with this.

It should be about assembling the best team to win a championship and the sooner it can be done, the better.

Player development means jack squat to me. It's about championships and you don't win those unless you have star players.

Oh geez we'll be waiting for these players to "develop" until 2045. Let's make moves..

Re: Danny should stay put
« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2015, 03:08:56 AM »

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He should trade up, but not for a pick in the top 7. I'd love to see us get Stanley Johnson. I think he could be a Luol Deng 2.0.
He's going to Detroit

Re: Danny should stay put
« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2015, 03:49:21 AM »

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DA won't trade for a number, it will be to get a specific player. He's not a speculator. Everybody seems to agree on who the top 2 picks will be and most agree on 3. My bet would be WCS at 4 for DA, if not then another big.

Once you get past the 6th pick the value in trading to move up becomes a lot less, especially because there is upside with all the present assets we would likely have to give up.

I am not sure if the plan is to strike this summer or to build assets and keep developing, I understand the desire to give fans a competitive team by upgrading to be contenders. My guess is DA is prepared to go either way, depending on what he can achieve in the draft and free agency. I have faith he will only strike if the iron is truly hot and not waste assets on minor upgrades.

Re: Danny should stay put
« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2015, 04:13:41 AM »

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He should trade up, but not for a pick in the top 7. I'd love to see us get Stanley Johnson. I think he could be a Luol Deng 2.0.
He's going to Detroit

Not if Hezonja falls.


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Re: Danny should stay put
« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2015, 05:11:42 AM »

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DA won't trade for a number, it will be to get a specific player. He's not a speculator. Everybody seems to agree on who the top 2 picks will be and most agree on 3. My bet would be WCS at 4 for DA, if not then another big.

Once you get past the 6th pick the value in trading to move up becomes a lot less, especially because there is upside with all the present assets we would likely have to give up.

I am not sure if the plan is to strike this summer or to build assets and keep developing, I understand the desire to give fans a competitive team by upgrading to be contenders. My guess is DA is prepared to go either way, depending on what he can achieve in the draft and free agency. I have faith he will only strike if the iron is truly hot and not waste assets on minor upgrades.

If Ainge moves up in the draft, it will most likely be to leapfrog a team like the Hawks or Thunder to grab a player one of those teams covet.  If he trades up, I expect the Celtics to be grabbing Cameron Payne or a falling Frank Kaminsky.
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Re: Danny should stay put
« Reply #29 on: June 20, 2015, 05:37:00 AM »

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I think we will get stanley johnson from the draft... and koufos as a center