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I would say that aside from a few people that clearly have an issue with him (WOJ), most national writers are pretty easy on Lebron and give him tons of praise. The negative stuff you see is more from bloggers and fans than the national media. The ABC announcer really slobber over him in particular and obviously he has basically a press manager at ESPN (Windhorst). Do you disagree?

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This is why no matter how much in awe I am of his talent, I can never truely be a fan.  I thought he grew up some since hist last stint with the Cavs.  Turns out he hasn't.  The guy is just a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline..

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If you are a Lebron supporter pretty hard to justify this behavior. As far as I know, Stein doesn't have any sort of ax to grind with Lebron and has written some pretty positive pieces on him. So this isn't like WOJ writing it. Wonder what the rest of the team thought of this. Maybe this is part of the reason Love could be disenchanted.

If you are a Lebron supporter, you don't have much principles or at the very least you don't value them as high as idolizing a basketball player.
From what I have heard from Lebron (off the court) it is pretty obvious that's the reason why Love didn't like the Cavs and probably why there isn't any top coach that are willing to coach Lebron.

Hey, let's try to refrain from making stupid assertions about a person's principles or lack thereof just based on which players they choose to root for, thanks.

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If you are a Lebron supporter pretty hard to justify this behavior. As far as I know, Stein doesn't have any sort of ax to grind with Lebron and has written some pretty positive pieces on him. So this isn't like WOJ writing it. Wonder what the rest of the team thought of this. Maybe this is part of the reason Love could be disenchanted.

If you are a Lebron supporter, you don't have much principles or at the very least you don't value them as high as idolizing a basketball player.
From what I have heard from Lebron (off the court) it is pretty obvious that's the reason why Love didn't like the Cavs and probably why there isn't any top coach that are willing to coach Lebron.

Hey, let's try to refrain from making stupid assertions about a person's principles or lack thereof just based on which players they choose to root for, thanks.

These are not stupid assertions, they are facts. There is no judgment or personal attack here.
When I was 18 I used to idolize blindly people like Lebron because I didn't have much principles or I couldn't care less. Now I'm older, it's a different picture, that's all.

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for the record: Player coaches are not possible under the current CBA.

In thrust, though, I agree with you.

Actually you can have a player coach, you simply can't offer him a coaching contract... it needs to be paid off from player contract.

Not sure if anything has changed on that regard, but technically you can have a player that coaches, you just can't pay him for his coaching duties, and if it's paid for that, it's considered as part of the player portion of the contract.

Which makes him a "floor general."  :P

 I know this came up a bit when Kidd was making the jump to coaching.
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If you are a Lebron supporter pretty hard to justify this behavior. As far as I know, Stein doesn't have any sort of ax to grind with Lebron and has written some pretty positive pieces on him. So this isn't like WOJ writing it. Wonder what the rest of the team thought of this. Maybe this is part of the reason Love could be disenchanted.

If you are a Lebron supporter, you don't have much principles or at the very least you don't value them as high as idolizing a basketball player.
From what I have heard from Lebron (off the court) it is pretty obvious that's the reason why Love didn't like the Cavs and probably why there isn't any top coach that are willing to coach Lebron.

Hey, let's try to refrain from making stupid assertions about a person's principles or lack thereof just based on which players they choose to root for, thanks.

These are not stupid assertions, they are facts. There is no judgment or personal attack here.
When I was 18 I used to idolize blindly people like Lebron because I didn't have much principles or I couldn't care less. Now I'm older, it's a different picture, that's all.

If you think what sports player someone roots for provides a fundamental insight into their personal moral character, then I'd suggest reexamining those principles ASAP.

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If you are a Lebron supporter pretty hard to justify this behavior. As far as I know, Stein doesn't have any sort of ax to grind with Lebron and has written some pretty positive pieces on him. So this isn't like WOJ writing it. Wonder what the rest of the team thought of this. Maybe this is part of the reason Love could be disenchanted.

If you are a Lebron supporter, you don't have much principles or at the very least you don't value them as high as idolizing a basketball player.
From what I have heard from Lebron (off the court) it is pretty obvious that's the reason why Love didn't like the Cavs and probably why there isn't any top coach that are willing to coach Lebron.

Hey, let's try to refrain from making stupid assertions about a person's principles or lack thereof just based on which players they choose to root for, thanks.

These are not stupid assertions, they are facts. There is no judgment or personal attack here.
When I was 18 I used to idolize blindly people like Lebron because I didn't have much principles or I couldn't care less. Now I'm older, it's a different picture, that's all.

If you think what sports player someone roots for provides a fundamental insight into their personal moral character, then I'd suggest reexamining those principles ASAP.

Yeah, I'm having a tough time seeing how this concept is a "fact".


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I don't think this is true for Lebron, but I do think it could be fair in other situations (just to play devils advocate). For example, if someone was wearing an Aaron Hernandez journey and saying he was the greatest tight end the patriots ever had, it would impact my judgement of them and their values. Lebron has not committed any crimes or done anything that really even shows dubious morals so I don't understand the points in this case.

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The guy is a control freak. Basketball gods cursed him. Cavs had wiggins and i bet the series would of been alot closer


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Obviously some here are determined to misinterpret what I said.
Let me put it in life perspective :
If Lebron was a nobody, will you appreciate his mentality or try to know him and talk to him?
I can tolerate this if he was a teenager, certainly not a 30 years old guy, and in that context supposing to influence young basketball players.

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A lot of great players have humiliated coaches. Magic got Westhead canned. Jordan sacked Collins. What coach has Kobe respected outside of Phil? Elway and Dan Reeves. Need I go on?

Fact is there are only a few coaches that can earn the respect of professional superstars and they stick around a long time and are paid a lot of money for that ability. There are plenty of good coaches out there that can't handle superstars. Those are the guys who end up as assistants or go back to college where coaches are the featured attraction. Doc Rivers is certainly no coaching mastermind (albeit underrated) but his players like him and thus he's one of the most highly-paid coaches in the league..

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LeBron grew to like Spoelstra but he still did this kind of crap to him.

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Obviously some here are determined to misinterpret what I said.
Let me put it in life perspective :
If Lebron was a nobody, will you appreciate his mentality or try to know him and talk to him?
I can tolerate this if he was a teenager, certainly not a 30 years old guy, and in that context supposing to influence young basketball players.

So the fact that by all accounts that Lebron is a loving, caring husband and father, is active and engaged in his community, and has never been in any trouble with the law means nothing?

You base who he is as a person solely by his on court demeanor?  You got some odd priorities man.

Sure, Lebron is a bit egotistical and narcissistic, but so are most people who are really good at what they do. Doesn't make them bad people, or role models. It's just a game, there are way more important things in life that we should judge a person's character by.

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You build them up so you can tear them down.Media 101

I would say that aside from a few people that clearly have an issue with him (WOJ), most national writers are pretty easy on Lebron and give him tons of praise. The negative stuff you see is more from bloggers and fans than the national media. The ABC announcer really slobber over him in particular and obviously he has basically a press manager at ESPN (Windhorst). Do you disagree?
He is a vehicle used to get ratings for ABC , pure and simple.
I agree that he gets a pretty good deal for the most part.
In the heat of battle emotions get tested, I remember Jordan changing plays back in his Day, The 'Shot' against the Cavs in 89 a classic example.
Have to question Stein's motivation besides clicks on this one.

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You build them up so you can tear them down.Media 101

I would say that aside from a few people that clearly have an issue with him (WOJ), most national writers are pretty easy on Lebron and give him tons of praise. The negative stuff you see is more from bloggers and fans than the national media. The ABC announcer really slobber over him in particular and obviously he has basically a press manager at ESPN (Windhorst). Do you disagree?
He is a vehicle used to get ratings for ABC , pure and simple.
I agree that he gets a pretty good deal for the most part.
In the heat of battle emotions get tested, I remember Jordan changing plays back in his Day, The 'Shot' against the Cavs in 89 a classic example.
Have to question Stein's motivation besides clicks on this one.


windhorst said the same thing , I don't think Stein is making this up