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Would you give up AB + 16 to get into the top 10, depending on who is still there?

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Re: Would you give up AB + 16 to get into the top 10 ?
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2015, 06:55:37 PM »

Offline danglertx

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Bradley is only 4 years older than most guys in this draft and he still has a lot of upside despite what he has already accomplished.

Bradley has zero upside, he is what he is , a 3+d role player . If you can't dribble , pass , reboud , or create a shot other than a 1 dribble J 5+ seasons into your career, it's not going to happen .

That is ridiculous.  Players improve constantly well into their early 30's.  What is Bradley, 25ish?  He isn't even in his prime years yet, which would be around 27-33.   Look at Jordan, he took five years to get to 30ppg, then in year 7 is when he really took off.  You mean he wasn't getting better.  His 13th year was his best scoring wise. 

Re: Would you give up AB + 16 to get into the top 10 ?
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2015, 06:57:00 PM »

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There is great value in this draft. The sophomore and freshman classes would furnish lottery picks in years to come. The Celtics should try to get three picks in the first round and target the needs of scoring, post defense and point guard. A combination of Johnson, Portis, and Jones would be great! Looney, and Lyles can be great Celtics. Use future draft assets to move up in this one. Plus sign a max deal free agent!! Don't trade down with both of this year's picks to pick Cauley-Stein. He maybe too much of a risk. He can't space the floor nor hit free throws.
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Re: Would you give up AB + 16 to get into the top 10 ?
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2015, 07:08:07 PM »

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 Dangler, settle down a little with the Jordan and Bradley stuff. I hear you Bradley can improve a little, but he is what he is. Very good defender, good shooter, Bad passer, not good handles, and that won't improve much. You deal him if it makes us better long term, But 16 and Avery is too much for say number 10.

Re: Would you give up AB + 16 to get into the top 10 ?
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2015, 07:10:50 PM »

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Bradley is only 4 years older than most guys in this draft and he still has a lot of upside despite what he has already accomplished.

Bradley has zero upside, he is what he is , a 3+d role player . If you can't dribble , pass , reboud , or create a shot other than a 1 dribble J 5+ seasons into your career, it's not going to happen .


Bradley is more than a 3+D player.

A 3+D player is a guy who cannot do anything but defend and shoot threes.  Describing Bradley's offensive game as "somebody who can only shoot threes" is selling him very short.

Bradley is a very good midrange shooter, has an excellent one dribble pull up, is a very good cutter, and is a good free throw shooter.  He also has a high/quick release that's very hard to defend, so he makes a LOT of tough contested shots that would get blocked or affected by the defense for most players, so when he gets hot he is almost undefendable. 

The main knocks against him offensively is that he's in consistent (has a lot of hot / cold games, and struggles to put up consistent scoring numbers night in, night out) and that he isn't very good at finishing around the basket.  I don't think either of those is something that can't be improved on over time. 

You don't average 16-17 points per 36 as a starter on an NBA playoff team if your only offensive talent is shooting threes. 

Bradley also has already shown improvement with both his ball handling and his passing / decision making.  It's still not great, but it's a long way from where it was 2 years ago.  He's showed significant improvement last year as far as skills go. 

He's also got excellent intangibles (team first attitude, coachability, work ethic, motor, etc) which I think are more valuable in this league than many people realise.  Just look at how much our team values Crowder - he's actually very limited skill wise has earned his playing time on pure effort and hustle.

You also sell Bradley short as a rebounder.  Last season he averaged around 4.5 rebounds per 36 which is a good number for a SG.  This season that dropped to 3.6 per 36 which is right around his career average - even that is not "bad" for a guard, it's about average.

People are far too critical of Bradley. 

We live in an era where young players constantly get stupidly overpaid and max contracts get thrown around like they're nothing.

Bradley is a top 5-10 defender in the league at his position, he puts up solid scoring numbers on solid shooting percentages, he's a very good athlete, he's got a personality that makes him a coaches dream, and he's only 24 years old...and he's making around $8M a year.  That's a very good value contract even under the current CBA, and two years from now (when the cap rises to about $110M) his $8M deal will become the equivalent of around $4.5M now.

I'm not trading him for a pick unless that pick is at least 90% certain of becoming as good as Bradley is now AND has a high chance of becoming an All-Star.  That probably means I'd need to be guaranteed a player at least as good as WCS.  There's no guarantee that he'd slip as far as 10, so I'd probably need a pick in the 6-8 range at the absolute minimum to consider trading Bradley. 
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Re: Would you give up AB + 16 to get into the top 10 ?
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2015, 07:30:04 PM »

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Bradley is only 4 years older than most guys in this draft and he still has a lot of upside despite what he has already accomplished.

Bradley has zero upside, he is what he is , a 3+d role player . If you can't dribble , pass , reboud , or create a shot other than a 1 dribble J 5+ seasons into your career, it's not going to happen .

That is ridiculous.  Players improve constantly well into their early 30's.  What is Bradley, 25ish?  He isn't even in his prime years yet, which would be around 27-33.   Look at Jordan, he took five years to get to 30ppg, then in year 7 is when he really took off.  You mean he wasn't getting better.  His 13th year was his best scoring wise.


so the best player ever who was a multiple time all-star already improved as he aged means Bradley is going to? good comparison.....

Re: Would you give up AB + 16 to get into the top 10 ?
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2015, 07:30:45 PM »

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This site over values draft picks. Bradley's going nowhere.

Re: Would you give up AB + 16 to get into the top 10 ?
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2015, 07:32:37 PM »

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Way too good a chance the 10 pick is a bust or never as good as Bradley

Re: Would you give up AB + 16 to get into the top 10 ?
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2015, 07:32:43 PM »

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This site over values draft picks. Bradley's going nowhere.

this site over values 3+d role players

Re: Would you give up AB + 16 to get into the top 10 ?
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2015, 07:40:04 PM »

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top 10 no, top 5 is a different story.

Re: Would you give up AB + 16 to get into the top 10 ?
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2015, 07:59:16 PM »

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Yup I d do it for 5-8 pick

Re: Would you give up AB + 16 to get into the top 10 ?
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2015, 08:11:57 PM »

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Yup I d do it for 5-8 pick
Ya I would do AB straight up for 8, 9, 10 and Id throw in 16 if it could get me 5, 6, or 7.

I think the most realistic would be AB for 9 or 10. and we would maybe have to take back some salary to make it work.

Re: Would you give up AB + 16 to get into the top 10 ?
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2015, 08:13:36 PM »

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This site over values draft picks. Bradley's going nowhere.

this site over values 3+d role players
This site just about correctly values everything.

The poles average out I think.

Re: Would you give up AB + 16 to get into the top 10 ?
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2015, 08:29:35 PM »

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Not sure I'm seeing how Wade fits the Cavs budget though .

The salary cap stuff confuses me .

Unless Wade takes a huge pay cut , which he seems reluctant. .... 8)

Re: Would you give up AB + 16 to get into the top 10 ?
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2015, 09:14:17 PM »

Offline danglertx

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Bradley is only 4 years older than most guys in this draft and he still has a lot of upside despite what he has already accomplished.

Bradley has zero upside, he is what he is , a 3+d role player . If you can't dribble , pass , reboud , or create a shot other than a 1 dribble J 5+ seasons into your career, it's not going to happen .

That is ridiculous.  Players improve constantly well into their early 30's.  What is Bradley, 25ish?  He isn't even in his prime years yet, which would be around 27-33.   Look at Jordan, he took five years to get to 30ppg, then in year 7 is when he really took off.  You mean he wasn't getting better.  His 13th year was his best scoring wise.


so the best player ever who was a multiple time all-star already improved as he aged means Bradley is going to? good comparison.....

An example, I could pick anyone.  Who would be a mediocre guard who played a lot of years.  How about Danny Ainge, I'll go look up how he did in years 1-5 and then 6-10.

Well he was a bit harder because he had some years where he wasn't starting much but if you look at the numbers he definitely picked it up starting year 7 or 8. 

I think no matter the player or how good he was, if they stay in the League they get better year after year until either an injury happens or they start declining physically at around 34 or so.  Some players might score less because of circumstances, like Ainge scored more later in his career when he went to play for other teams because he probably was more of a focus in their offense.

What makes Jordan easy to compare is that he was the focus of their offense from very early in his career until his career pretty much ended.

Every player is their own story so you can't compare anyone and say this guy will follow exactly what player X did, but in general, players improve well past year 10 if they are good enough to stay in the league that long.


Re: Would you give up AB + 16 to get into the top 10 ?
« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2015, 09:17:50 PM »

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I think this is way to steep. I say trade AB for Whiteside and 10.