Sources: 76ers center Joel Embiid suffers setback with right foot

[Eja117]

Everybody already believed the Sixers were willing to draft another center despite already having Embiid and Noel. They have been forthright and consistent in their belief that you take the best player available.

They did not need injury news about Embiid to convince anyone they would take Okafor.

Exactly. They're lowering expectations to where they should be.

[LarBrd33]

Everybody already believed the Sixers were willing to draft another center despite already having Embiid and Noel. They have been forthright and consistent in their belief that you take the best player available.

They did not need injury news about Embiid to convince anyone they would take Okafor.

Maybe they DO want Okafor.  Maybe this is all just a game of chicken.   Until we see something conclusive on Embiid's adjusted timetable, it's just too soon to make any judgements on this situation.  The draft is a little over a week away.   The NBA season doesn't start for another 5 months. 

Summer league starts in a few weeks.  Embiid was expected to play in it.  He's been training aggressively for months and hasn't experienced any pain.  I'm reading the cryptic reports to mean that the team is going to be overly cautious (as they did with Noel) and MAYBE hold out Embiid during the summer league which starts in a few short weeks.    WE have yet to even see conclusive proof that Embiid is skipping Summer league.  We'll see.

People reading "set back" are assuming this is a Greg Oden situation where Embiid tore something.  There is nothing in these reports suggesting that.  You're all making a bigger leap than the 76ers conspiracy theorists.

During his visit with Dr. Richard Ferkel, a standard CT scan on Joel's right foot revealed less healing than anticipated at this point. Our priority remains providing Joel with every opportunity to ensure he has a long and successful NBA career, and as such, these findings cause us to pause and reassess his current activities.

If they were disappointed with the CT results, it likely means they saw something they saw the last time they checked and hoped would have been fixed by now.     If you read about his specific injury, apparently you feel better before you are actually better.  You'll feel healed, but that doesn't mean the CT results will show 100% healing.  They might be worried that summer league could be "too soon" and Embiid might be at risk of reinjuring it.  So Embiid, who all reports indicate could in-fact play in Summer league in a few weeks, is possibly going to be forced to sit it out and wait a little longer.

[Eddie20]

LarBrd33, I think you as a undercover Sixers fan, are merely turning a blind eye because you're hoping for the best.

Here's a timeline, with expert comments, since, you know, there is absolutely nothing to worry about and this is all just an elaborate "smokescreen".

March 10, 2014
Out Indefinitely after being diagnosed with a spinal stress fracture.

Dr. Matt McCarthy, almost prophetically, wrote this-

An abrupt increase in the duration, intensity, or frequency of physical activity without enough time to rest can lead to pathologic changes in bone. These changes result from an imbalance between bone resorption—a process where cells called osteoclasts break down bone—and bone formation. During periods of intense exercise, bone formation lags behind bone resorption, and this renders the bone susceptible to stress fractures. In short, Joel Embiid required more rest than he was able to get.

What's unusual about Embiid's case is that basketball-related stress fractures usually occur in the player's tibia or the 5th metatarsal in the foot, not the spine. And he will potentially be at risk for these, too. (Spinal stress fractures more commonly occur in gymnasts, which appears to result from a combination of perilous movements and disordered eating.)

Embiid's injury presumably occurred because of the torque placed on his lumbar spine when his enormous frame lunges for a rebound or bends over for a loose ball. Being seven feet tall means that every time he twists or turns, he's subjected to greater torque than the rest of us. Imagine holding a pencil by its very tip and wobbling it back and forth. Now imagine the pencil is seven feet long—more pressure on the end you're holding it by, right? That's what Embiid's skeleton has been going through, as it's been subjected to forces that are simply beyond what the bones can, or have been asked to until now, handle.

Whether this injury will linger and whether it will affect the presumptive number one pick's draft status remains unclear for now. But a history of stress fractures is a strong predictor of future stress fractures, and any fan of basketball can rattle off a list of big men plagued by back problems. Bill Walton, Brad Daugherty and Ralph Sampson were all taken No. 1 overall in the NBA Draft and were all hampered by nagging back injuries.

June 20, 2014
Out indefinitely after being diagnosed with stress fracture to his right foot

Dr. Nick Grosso

Stress fractures themselves are relatively common events, especially for athletes. You see them in shin bones, long bones. But this kind of foot stress fracture, it’s relatively uncommon. The navicular bone, the best way to describe it, is it’s the keystone of the foot, top of the arch. Typically, this type of injury, it’s for jumpers — basketball and volleyball players. Historically, (NBA centers) Yao Ming and Bill Walton have had this injury. … Coming off the surgery, you want to take it slowly. The way I describe is it’s like a paperclip, it’s going to break if you bend it too fast.

March 9, 2015
Embiid suffers a setback to his right foot. He was dealing with pain and met with doctors.


June 13, 2015
CT scan on Joel Embiid's right foot "revealed less healing than anticipated at this point".

[MBunge]

1.  The idea that Philly is leaking this as part of some scheme where they're trying to bluff the Lakers or Wolves is dumb.  All they have to say is "we'll trade Okafor if he's there at 3" and they accomplish the same bluff without devaluing Embiid as an asset.

2.  Embiid hasn't played competitive ball and, as far as we know, hasn't even trained at full speed/max effort in well over a year.  For him to still be having medical issues is very bad.  It would be premature to invoke the name of Greg Oden but you can't just brush it off.

Mike

[Tr1boy]

Hope he recovers but thank god the 76ers took him at 3.

You cant get lucky with noel and embiid. I had a feeling

[LarBrd33]

LarBrd33, I think you as a undercover Sixers fan, are merely turning a blind eye because you're hoping for the best.

Here's a timeline, with expert comments, since, you know, there is absolutely nothing to worry about and this is all just an elaborate "smokescreen".

March 10, 2014
Out Indefinitely after being diagnosed with a spinal stress fracture.

Dr. Matt McCarthy, almost prophetically, wrote this-

An abrupt increase in the duration, intensity, or frequency of physical activity without enough time to rest can lead to pathologic changes in bone. These changes result from an imbalance between bone resorption—a process where cells called osteoclasts break down bone—and bone formation. During periods of intense exercise, bone formation lags behind bone resorption, and this renders the bone susceptible to stress fractures. In short, Joel Embiid required more rest than he was able to get.

What's unusual about Embiid's case is that basketball-related stress fractures usually occur in the player's tibia or the 5th metatarsal in the foot, not the spine. And he will potentially be at risk for these, too. (Spinal stress fractures more commonly occur in gymnasts, which appears to result from a combination of perilous movements and disordered eating.)

Embiid's injury presumably occurred because of the torque placed on his lumbar spine when his enormous frame lunges for a rebound or bends over for a loose ball. Being seven feet tall means that every time he twists or turns, he's subjected to greater torque than the rest of us. Imagine holding a pencil by its very tip and wobbling it back and forth. Now imagine the pencil is seven feet long—more pressure on the end you're holding it by, right? That's what Embiid's skeleton has been going through, as it's been subjected to forces that are simply beyond what the bones can, or have been asked to until now, handle.

Whether this injury will linger and whether it will affect the presumptive number one pick's draft status remains unclear for now. But a history of stress fractures is a strong predictor of future stress fractures, and any fan of basketball can rattle off a list of big men plagued by back problems. Bill Walton, Brad Daugherty and Ralph Sampson were all taken No. 1 overall in the NBA Draft and were all hampered by nagging back injuries.

June 20, 2014
Out indefinitely after being diagnosed with stress fracture to his right foot

Dr. Nick Grosso

Stress fractures themselves are relatively common events, especially for athletes. You see them in shin bones, long bones. But this kind of foot stress fracture, it’s relatively uncommon. The navicular bone, the best way to describe it, is it’s the keystone of the foot, top of the arch. Typically, this type of injury, it’s for jumpers — basketball and volleyball players. Historically, (NBA centers) Yao Ming and Bill Walton have had this injury. … Coming off the surgery, you want to take it slowly. The way I describe is it’s like a paperclip, it’s going to break if you bend it too fast.

March 9, 2015
Embiid suffers a setback to his right foot. He was dealing with pain and met with doctors.


June 13, 2015
CT scan on Joel Embiid's right foot "revealed less healing than anticipated at this point".

Yeah I get it, Eddie... Stress fractures are scary... which is why the overwhelming best prospect of the 2014 draft fell to 3rd... and why the careers of Blake Griffin, Andre Drummond and Bradley Beal can end at literally any second. 

None of that negates the fact that the recent report of "he hasn't felt pain, he's been aggressively working out for months... we did a routine check-up and saw that it isn't as healed as we hoped... we're being cautious" is most likely a precursor to them holding him out of Summer league in 3 weeks as opposed to it being a career-ending "set back" that this thread suggests it is.

Maybe he misses Summer league in 3 weeks.  We'll find out in 3 weeks.   The NBA season is 5 months away, though... we'll see what happens. 

76ers don't want to risk their franchise superstar's future on Summer league.  He was expected to play summer league.  If they look at the CT expecting it to be 100% healed and it's only 95% healed, they could hold him out of summer league... and by definition, that's a set back.

[LarBrd33]

Btw, It's possibly they will have a second surgery that will keep him out another year.  Who knows.  Right now, it's not at all clear. 

[Eddie20]

LarBrd33, I think you as a undercover Sixers fan, are merely turning a blind eye because you're hoping for the best.

Here's a timeline, with expert comments, since, you know, there is absolutely nothing to worry about and this is all just an elaborate "smokescreen".

March 10, 2014
Out Indefinitely after being diagnosed with a spinal stress fracture.

Dr. Matt McCarthy, almost prophetically, wrote this-

An abrupt increase in the duration, intensity, or frequency of physical activity without enough time to rest can lead to pathologic changes in bone. These changes result from an imbalance between bone resorption—a process where cells called osteoclasts break down bone—and bone formation. During periods of intense exercise, bone formation lags behind bone resorption, and this renders the bone susceptible to stress fractures. In short, Joel Embiid required more rest than he was able to get.

What's unusual about Embiid's case is that basketball-related stress fractures usually occur in the player's tibia or the 5th metatarsal in the foot, not the spine. And he will potentially be at risk for these, too. (Spinal stress fractures more commonly occur in gymnasts, which appears to result from a combination of perilous movements and disordered eating.)

Embiid's injury presumably occurred because of the torque placed on his lumbar spine when his enormous frame lunges for a rebound or bends over for a loose ball. Being seven feet tall means that every time he twists or turns, he's subjected to greater torque than the rest of us. Imagine holding a pencil by its very tip and wobbling it back and forth. Now imagine the pencil is seven feet long—more pressure on the end you're holding it by, right? That's what Embiid's skeleton has been going through, as it's been subjected to forces that are simply beyond what the bones can, or have been asked to until now, handle.

Whether this injury will linger and whether it will affect the presumptive number one pick's draft status remains unclear for now. But a history of stress fractures is a strong predictor of future stress fractures, and any fan of basketball can rattle off a list of big men plagued by back problems. Bill Walton, Brad Daugherty and Ralph Sampson were all taken No. 1 overall in the NBA Draft and were all hampered by nagging back injuries.

June 20, 2014
Out indefinitely after being diagnosed with stress fracture to his right foot

Dr. Nick Grosso

Stress fractures themselves are relatively common events, especially for athletes. You see them in shin bones, long bones. But this kind of foot stress fracture, it’s relatively uncommon. The navicular bone, the best way to describe it, is it’s the keystone of the foot, top of the arch. Typically, this type of injury, it’s for jumpers — basketball and volleyball players. Historically, (NBA centers) Yao Ming and Bill Walton have had this injury. … Coming off the surgery, you want to take it slowly. The way I describe is it’s like a paperclip, it’s going to break if you bend it too fast.

March 9, 2015
Embiid suffers a setback to his right foot. He was dealing with pain and met with doctors.


June 13, 2015
CT scan on Joel Embiid's right foot "revealed less healing than anticipated at this point".

Yeah I get it, Eddie... Stress fractures are scary... which is why the overwhelming best prospect of the 2014 draft fell to 3rd... and why the careers of Blake Griffin, Andre Drummond and Bradley Beal can end at literally any second. 

None of that negates the fact that the recent report of "he hasn't felt pain, he's been aggressively working out for months... we did a routine check-up and saw that it isn't as healed as we hoped... we're being cautious" is most likely a precursor to them holding him out of Summer league in 3 weeks as opposed to it being a career-ending "set back" that this thread suggests it is.

Maybe he misses Summer league in 3 weeks.  We'll find out in 3 weeks.   The NBA season is 5 months away, though... we'll see what happens.

Blake, Drummond, and Beal have all played at high levels following their injuries. Embiid hasn't played a basketball game in 16 months, yet you think there is absolutely nothing to worry about because the Sixers, shockingly, are downplaying the latest setback. If you acted concerned I wouldn't have bothered making that post chronicling his injury history since March 2014.

The ironic thing is that his body hasn't even played much basketball, taking up the game at a later age. What will he look like if/when he gets back on the court and is dealing with practices, games, back to backs, long seasons, etc. ?

[LarBrd33]

LarBrd33, I think you as a undercover Sixers fan, are merely turning a blind eye because you're hoping for the best.

Here's a timeline, with expert comments, since, you know, there is absolutely nothing to worry about and this is all just an elaborate "smokescreen".

March 10, 2014
Out Indefinitely after being diagnosed with a spinal stress fracture.

Dr. Matt McCarthy, almost prophetically, wrote this-

An abrupt increase in the duration, intensity, or frequency of physical activity without enough time to rest can lead to pathologic changes in bone. These changes result from an imbalance between bone resorption—a process where cells called osteoclasts break down bone—and bone formation. During periods of intense exercise, bone formation lags behind bone resorption, and this renders the bone susceptible to stress fractures. In short, Joel Embiid required more rest than he was able to get.

What's unusual about Embiid's case is that basketball-related stress fractures usually occur in the player's tibia or the 5th metatarsal in the foot, not the spine. And he will potentially be at risk for these, too. (Spinal stress fractures more commonly occur in gymnasts, which appears to result from a combination of perilous movements and disordered eating.)

Embiid's injury presumably occurred because of the torque placed on his lumbar spine when his enormous frame lunges for a rebound or bends over for a loose ball. Being seven feet tall means that every time he twists or turns, he's subjected to greater torque than the rest of us. Imagine holding a pencil by its very tip and wobbling it back and forth. Now imagine the pencil is seven feet long—more pressure on the end you're holding it by, right? That's what Embiid's skeleton has been going through, as it's been subjected to forces that are simply beyond what the bones can, or have been asked to until now, handle.

Whether this injury will linger and whether it will affect the presumptive number one pick's draft status remains unclear for now. But a history of stress fractures is a strong predictor of future stress fractures, and any fan of basketball can rattle off a list of big men plagued by back problems. Bill Walton, Brad Daugherty and Ralph Sampson were all taken No. 1 overall in the NBA Draft and were all hampered by nagging back injuries.

June 20, 2014
Out indefinitely after being diagnosed with stress fracture to his right foot

Dr. Nick Grosso

Stress fractures themselves are relatively common events, especially for athletes. You see them in shin bones, long bones. But this kind of foot stress fracture, it’s relatively uncommon. The navicular bone, the best way to describe it, is it’s the keystone of the foot, top of the arch. Typically, this type of injury, it’s for jumpers — basketball and volleyball players. Historically, (NBA centers) Yao Ming and Bill Walton have had this injury. … Coming off the surgery, you want to take it slowly. The way I describe is it’s like a paperclip, it’s going to break if you bend it too fast.

March 9, 2015
Embiid suffers a setback to his right foot. He was dealing with pain and met with doctors.


June 13, 2015
CT scan on Joel Embiid's right foot "revealed less healing than anticipated at this point".

Yeah I get it, Eddie... Stress fractures are scary... which is why the overwhelming best prospect of the 2014 draft fell to 3rd... and why the careers of Blake Griffin, Andre Drummond and Bradley Beal can end at literally any second. 

None of that negates the fact that the recent report of "he hasn't felt pain, he's been aggressively working out for months... we did a routine check-up and saw that it isn't as healed as we hoped... we're being cautious" is most likely a precursor to them holding him out of Summer league in 3 weeks as opposed to it being a career-ending "set back" that this thread suggests it is.

Maybe he misses Summer league in 3 weeks.  We'll find out in 3 weeks.   The NBA season is 5 months away, though... we'll see what happens.

Blake, Drummond, and Beal have all played at high levels following their injuries. Embiid hasn't played a basketball game in 16 months, yet you think there is absolutely nothing to worry about because the Sixers, shockingly, are downplaying the latest setback. If you acted concerned I wouldn't have bothered making that post chronicling his injury since March 2014.

The ironic thing is that his body hasn't even played much basketball, taking up the game at a later age. What will he look like if/when he gets back on the court and is dealing with practices, games, back to backs, long seasons, etc. ?

The 76ers are actually doing the opposite of "downplaying the set back".   They released a public statement minutes after the Woj news broke... seemingly drawing attention to the set back.  They didn't have to do that.  And typically, the franchise hasn't done that.  It was a curious move.  Almost like they wanted everyone to know they are comfortable taking a big in the draft.

People said the same stuff about Noel last year and that dude beasted his rookie season. 

We'll see if more info comes out... we'll see how the 76ers draft... and we'll see if Embiid suits up for SUmmer league in 24 days.   We'll have our answers eventually.

[Eddie20]

LarBrd33, I think you as a undercover Sixers fan, are merely turning a blind eye because you're hoping for the best.

Here's a timeline, with expert comments, since, you know, there is absolutely nothing to worry about and this is all just an elaborate "smokescreen".

March 10, 2014
Out Indefinitely after being diagnosed with a spinal stress fracture.

Dr. Matt McCarthy, almost prophetically, wrote this-

An abrupt increase in the duration, intensity, or frequency of physical activity without enough time to rest can lead to pathologic changes in bone. These changes result from an imbalance between bone resorption—a process where cells called osteoclasts break down bone—and bone formation. During periods of intense exercise, bone formation lags behind bone resorption, and this renders the bone susceptible to stress fractures. In short, Joel Embiid required more rest than he was able to get.

What's unusual about Embiid's case is that basketball-related stress fractures usually occur in the player's tibia or the 5th metatarsal in the foot, not the spine. And he will potentially be at risk for these, too. (Spinal stress fractures more commonly occur in gymnasts, which appears to result from a combination of perilous movements and disordered eating.)

Embiid's injury presumably occurred because of the torque placed on his lumbar spine when his enormous frame lunges for a rebound or bends over for a loose ball. Being seven feet tall means that every time he twists or turns, he's subjected to greater torque than the rest of us. Imagine holding a pencil by its very tip and wobbling it back and forth. Now imagine the pencil is seven feet long—more pressure on the end you're holding it by, right? That's what Embiid's skeleton has been going through, as it's been subjected to forces that are simply beyond what the bones can, or have been asked to until now, handle.

Whether this injury will linger and whether it will affect the presumptive number one pick's draft status remains unclear for now. But a history of stress fractures is a strong predictor of future stress fractures, and any fan of basketball can rattle off a list of big men plagued by back problems. Bill Walton, Brad Daugherty and Ralph Sampson were all taken No. 1 overall in the NBA Draft and were all hampered by nagging back injuries.

June 20, 2014
Out indefinitely after being diagnosed with stress fracture to his right foot

Dr. Nick Grosso

Stress fractures themselves are relatively common events, especially for athletes. You see them in shin bones, long bones. But this kind of foot stress fracture, it’s relatively uncommon. The navicular bone, the best way to describe it, is it’s the keystone of the foot, top of the arch. Typically, this type of injury, it’s for jumpers — basketball and volleyball players. Historically, (NBA centers) Yao Ming and Bill Walton have had this injury. … Coming off the surgery, you want to take it slowly. The way I describe is it’s like a paperclip, it’s going to break if you bend it too fast.

March 9, 2015
Embiid suffers a setback to his right foot. He was dealing with pain and met with doctors.


June 13, 2015
CT scan on Joel Embiid's right foot "revealed less healing than anticipated at this point".

Yeah I get it, Eddie... Stress fractures are scary... which is why the overwhelming best prospect of the 2014 draft fell to 3rd... and why the careers of Blake Griffin, Andre Drummond and Bradley Beal can end at literally any second. 

None of that negates the fact that the recent report of "he hasn't felt pain, he's been aggressively working out for months... we did a routine check-up and saw that it isn't as healed as we hoped... we're being cautious" is most likely a precursor to them holding him out of Summer league in 3 weeks as opposed to it being a career-ending "set back" that this thread suggests it is.

Maybe he misses Summer league in 3 weeks.  We'll find out in 3 weeks.   The NBA season is 5 months away, though... we'll see what happens.

Blake, Drummond, and Beal have all played at high levels following their injuries. Embiid hasn't played a basketball game in 16 months, yet you think there is absolutely nothing to worry about because the Sixers, shockingly, are downplaying the latest setback. If you acted concerned I wouldn't have bothered making that post chronicling his injury since March 2014.

The ironic thing is that his body hasn't even played much basketball, taking up the game at a later age. What will he look like if/when he gets back on the court and is dealing with practices, games, back to backs, long seasons, etc. ?

The 76ers are actually doing the opposite of "downplaying the set back".   They released a public statement minutes after the Woj news broke... seemingly drawing attention to the set back.  They didn't have to do that.  And typically, the franchise hasn't done that.  It was a curious move.  Almost like they wanted everyone to know they are comfortable taking a big in the draft.

People said the same stuff about Noel last year and that dude beasted his rookie season. 

We'll see if more info comes out... we'll see how the 76ers draft... and we'll see if Embiid suits up for SUmmer league in 24 days.   We'll have our answers eventually.

That's called "damage control". Staying silent would've openly caused the rumors to grow louder so they had to address it. This could be another Bynum situation, a situation where they always downplayed the severity of his injury.

I would be willing to wager he won't be playing in summer league.

[LarBrd33]

So Eddie, sounds like you got your own conspiracy theory going.  As far as I can tell, there are three competing conspiracy theories here.  I'll let Philly fans sum it up in their own words:

Conspiracy Theory #1 - "It is VERY curious this is coming out 11 days before the NBA draft... especially when you consider that they did not have to say anything at all.  This is a Front Office that generally says nothing.   They want the rest of the League to know they will have to deal with them to make sure they get one of the bigs in this draft. "

"If this were a conspiracy, it would mean that Hinkie wants a guard. Saying that Embiid's foot isn't healing as expected plus floating the rumor that the Sixers are interested in drafting Kristaps would mean that Hinkie wants other teams to think that he is going to draft a big. Which means he is enamored with one of the guard prospects and wants him to be available (or to trade for him without the other team knowing how much he wants him). If this were an even bigger conspiracy and the Russell news was also a product of it, it would mean that Hinkie may be interested in Russell, and so had him "fake sick" to suggest to other teams that he is not interested in playing for the Sixers and thus that he would be less valuable to Hinkie."

Conspiracy Theory #2 - "Embiid is physically fine, more or less, but Hinkie will not let him play unless he's 110% healthy. Now that Summer League is creeping up and the reality of him playing is on the immediate horizon, the regular CT scans reveal he's closer to 90% healthy (meaning, he feels fine but the soft tissue isn't full around the healed fracture). Knowing that Summer League isn?t the end-all be-all, Hinkie votes an easy no."

Conspiracy Theory #3 -  "My only "conspiracy theory" is that "less healing" = his foot was Re-fractured. Not a doctor, obviously, but dude was cleared to run and jump and otherwise practice. Can't imagine they would have let him do that unless the initial fracture had at least closed."

Seems like this thread is leaning towards Conspiracy Theory #3?   

[Eddie20]

So Eddie, sounds like you got your own conspiracy theory going.  As far as I can tell, there are three competing conspiracy theories here.  I'll let Philly fans sum it up in their own words:

Conspiracy Theory #1 - "It is VERY curious this is coming out 11 days before the NBA draft... especially when you consider that they did not have to say anything at all.  This is a Front Office that generally says nothing.   They want the rest of the League to know they will have to deal with them to make sure they get one of the bigs in this draft. "

"If this were a conspiracy, it would mean that Hinkie wants a guard. Saying that Embiid's foot isn't healing as expected plus floating the rumor that the Sixers are interested in drafting Kristaps would mean that Hinkie wants other teams to think that he is going to draft a big. Which means he is enamored with one of the guard prospects and wants him to be available (or to trade for him without the other team knowing how much he wants him). If this were an even bigger conspiracy and the Russell news was also a product of it, it would mean that Hinkie may be interested in Russell, and so had him "fake sick" to suggest to other teams that he is not interested in playing for the Sixers and thus that he would be less valuable to Hinkie."

Conspiracy Theory #2 - "Embiid is physically fine, more or less, but Hinkie will not let him play unless he's 110% healthy. Now that Summer League is creeping up and the reality of him playing is on the immediate horizon, the regular CT scans reveal he's closer to 90% healthy (meaning, he feels fine but the soft tissue isn't full around the healed fracture). Knowing that Summer League isn?t the end-all be-all, Hinkie votes an easy no."

Conspiracy Theory #3 -  "My only "conspiracy theory" is that "less healing" = his foot was Re-fractured. Not a doctor, obviously, but dude was cleared to run and jump and otherwise practice. Can't imagine they would have let him do that unless the initial fracture had at least closed."

Seems like this thread is leaning towards Conspiracy Theory #3?

Not sure if I fall in one, other than the "Embiid can't stay healthy" theory, which actual seems like more logic than theory.

You're fully entrenched into #1. Thinking that the Sixers are playing chess to everyone's checkers.

[LarBrd33]

So Eddie, sounds like you got your own conspiracy theory going.  As far as I can tell, there are three competing conspiracy theories here.  I'll let Philly fans sum it up in their own words:

Conspiracy Theory #1 - "It is VERY curious this is coming out 11 days before the NBA draft... especially when you consider that they did not have to say anything at all.  This is a Front Office that generally says nothing.   They want the rest of the League to know they will have to deal with them to make sure they get one of the bigs in this draft. "

"If this were a conspiracy, it would mean that Hinkie wants a guard. Saying that Embiid's foot isn't healing as expected plus floating the rumor that the Sixers are interested in drafting Kristaps would mean that Hinkie wants other teams to think that he is going to draft a big. Which means he is enamored with one of the guard prospects and wants him to be available (or to trade for him without the other team knowing how much he wants him). If this were an even bigger conspiracy and the Russell news was also a product of it, it would mean that Hinkie may be interested in Russell, and so had him "fake sick" to suggest to other teams that he is not interested in playing for the Sixers and thus that he would be less valuable to Hinkie."

Conspiracy Theory #2 - "Embiid is physically fine, more or less, but Hinkie will not let him play unless he's 110% healthy. Now that Summer League is creeping up and the reality of him playing is on the immediate horizon, the regular CT scans reveal he's closer to 90% healthy (meaning, he feels fine but the soft tissue isn't full around the healed fracture). Knowing that Summer League isn?t the end-all be-all, Hinkie votes an easy no."

Conspiracy Theory #3 -  "My only "conspiracy theory" is that "less healing" = his foot was Re-fractured. Not a doctor, obviously, but dude was cleared to run and jump and otherwise practice. Can't imagine they would have let him do that unless the initial fracture had at least closed."

Seems like this thread is leaning towards Conspiracy Theory #3?

Not sure if I fall in one, other than the "Embiid can't stay healthy" theory, which actual seems like more logic than theory.

You're fully entrenched into #1. Thinking that the Sixers are playing chess to everyone's checkers.

"Embiid can't stay healthy"... He's been recovering from an injury.  He hasn't been fully cleared as "healthy" yet.  Saying he "can't stay" healthy suggests at some point he was healthy.

This report says he's not as healed as they hoped.   At face value, I take that to mean they expected him to be more healed than he is right now.   Everyone surrounding the 76ers has been saying for the past two months that Embiid was "Definitely" playing in the Summer league.  So If I'm in any of the three conspiracy camps, I'm in camp 2:   They are re-setting expectations around Embiid's involvement in Summer league.  They were cautious with Noel last season too... he only played a few of the games as a precaution.

I assume most people here are in Conspiracy camp #3:  Embiid refractured his foot and for some reason instead of just announcing surgery, they released a cryptic press release downplaying the seriousness of it.

Jared Sullinger "can't stay" healthy.  I'd like to see Joel Embiid get healthy before I declare him incapable of staying healthy.  Seems to me, Philly wants to avoid a Greg Oden situation here.  I don't expect to see Embiid playing until he is truly healthy.  That might not happen in 24 days.

[LarBrd33]

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Jeff Skversky ‏@JeffSkversky 2h2 hours ago

Joel Embiid's right foot will NOT require a second surgery an NBA Source close to the #Sixers center tells @6abc

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John Gonzalez ‏@gonzoCSN 7m7 minutes ago

To be clear, it?s possible Joel Embiid won?t require surgery. But told nothing ruled out while team gathers info/consults specialists

Who knows

[Eddie20]

So Eddie, sounds like you got your own conspiracy theory going.  As far as I can tell, there are three competing conspiracy theories here.  I'll let Philly fans sum it up in their own words:

Conspiracy Theory #1 - "It is VERY curious this is coming out 11 days before the NBA draft... especially when you consider that they did not have to say anything at all.  This is a Front Office that generally says nothing.   They want the rest of the League to know they will have to deal with them to make sure they get one of the bigs in this draft. "

"If this were a conspiracy, it would mean that Hinkie wants a guard. Saying that Embiid's foot isn't healing as expected plus floating the rumor that the Sixers are interested in drafting Kristaps would mean that Hinkie wants other teams to think that he is going to draft a big. Which means he is enamored with one of the guard prospects and wants him to be available (or to trade for him without the other team knowing how much he wants him). If this were an even bigger conspiracy and the Russell news was also a product of it, it would mean that Hinkie may be interested in Russell, and so had him "fake sick" to suggest to other teams that he is not interested in playing for the Sixers and thus that he would be less valuable to Hinkie."

Conspiracy Theory #2 - "Embiid is physically fine, more or less, but Hinkie will not let him play unless he's 110% healthy. Now that Summer League is creeping up and the reality of him playing is on the immediate horizon, the regular CT scans reveal he's closer to 90% healthy (meaning, he feels fine but the soft tissue isn't full around the healed fracture). Knowing that Summer League isn?t the end-all be-all, Hinkie votes an easy no."

Conspiracy Theory #3 -  "My only "conspiracy theory" is that "less healing" = his foot was Re-fractured. Not a doctor, obviously, but dude was cleared to run and jump and otherwise practice. Can't imagine they would have let him do that unless the initial fracture had at least closed."

Seems like this thread is leaning towards Conspiracy Theory #3?

Not sure if I fall in one, other than the "Embiid can't stay healthy" theory, which actual seems like more logic than theory.

You're fully entrenched into #1. Thinking that the Sixers are playing chess to everyone's checkers.

"Embiid can't stay healthy"... He's been recovering from an injury.  He hasn't been fully cleared as "healthy" yet.  Saying he "can't stay" healthy suggests at some point he was healthy.

Oh, but he was. He was healthy before he fractured his back, then came back fully healed and fractured his foot.