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Re: Sources: 76ers center Joel Embiid suffers setback with right foot
« Reply #45 on: June 14, 2015, 11:20:27 AM »

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Question: How many big guys have experienced something like this - missing 1-2 full seasons early on with foot/leg problems - and then come back to have an All-NBA career?

I mean we can all think of the bad outcomes - Oden, Walton, Bowie, and with later injuries Yao, Sampson, etc.

But how many success stories are there? Maybe I'm just having a mental block but I can't think of any.

Edit: Sorry, missed the All-NBA part. Ilgauskas does not qualify.

Ilgauskas was one of them (to come back and have a successful career).

He had the same injury too. Fractured navicular bone in foot.

Only played 5 games in 1999. Missed all of 2000. Came back. Got injured again after 25 games. Came back. Played smaller minutes for a year (21mpg) while he worked his way back into shape (10ppg, 5rpg, 20mpg).

Then had the best years of his career after that. 16ppg, 8rpg, 2bpg in 31mpg over the next 4 years. Played in 2 All-Star games over that period.

Struggling to think of others.

He's not a terrible example actually - he was a two-time All-Star and I think he might be as close to coming back at "full strength" as you could think of.

But given all the cases on the other side...it doesn't paint a very good picture does it? If the chances of making full recovery are on the order of 10%, this is a real concern.

Ehhh, Yao had some other issues that contributed. Namely, his injury couldn't heal because the Chinese national team ran him into the ground.

And Oden had one leg that was longer than the other didn't he?

I'm pretty sure Kevin McHale had this injury at some point in his career as well.

Re: Sources: 76ers center Joel Embiid suffers setback with right foot
« Reply #46 on: June 14, 2015, 11:24:49 AM »

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Seems like he going to have health problems his whole career if he has one
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Re: Sources: 76ers center Joel Embiid suffers setback with right foot
« Reply #47 on: June 14, 2015, 11:39:49 AM »

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Maybe his mind is telling his body that it wants a change of scenery, get that buyout, sign with a contender and miracles may happen.The power of being in a positive win now environment.

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Re: Sources: 76ers center Joel Embiid suffers setback with right foot
« Reply #48 on: June 14, 2015, 11:49:33 AM »

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I'm sad this happened to Embiid. He seemed like a good kid coming out of college.

But I'm very happy this happened to Philly. It's nice to see karma step in and pee on their tankapalooza once every so often.
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« Reply #49 on: June 14, 2015, 12:04:00 PM »

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Question: How many big guys have experienced something like this - missing 1-2 full seasons early on with foot/leg problems - and then come back to have an All-NBA career?

I mean we can all think of the bad outcomes - Oden, Walton, Bowie, and with later injuries Yao, Sampson, etc.

But how many success stories are there? Maybe I'm just having a mental block but I can't think of any.

Blake Griffin.  Though that was a fluky kneecap injury and not really anything chronic.

Also he never got to an All-NBA level, but Sam Bowie managed to temporarily recover from his injuries to have 4 solid to above-average seasons for the Nets.


EDIT: Oh yeah, Brook Lopez never missed a full season, but 77 games is close enough and he made the ASG the following year.
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Re: Sources: 76ers center Joel Embiid suffers setback with right foot
« Reply #50 on: June 14, 2015, 12:31:13 PM »

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Question: How many big guys have experienced something like this - missing 1-2 full seasons early on with foot/leg problems - and then come back to have an All-NBA career?

I mean we can all think of the bad outcomes - Oden, Walton, Bowie, and with later injuries Yao, Sampson, etc.

But how many success stories are there? Maybe I'm just having a mental block but I can't think of any.

Blake Griffin.  Though that was a fluky kneecap injury and not really anything chronic.

Also he never got to an All-NBA level, but Sam Bowie managed to temporarily recover from his injuries to have 4 solid to above-average seasons for the Nets.


EDIT: Oh yeah, Brook Lopez never missed a full season, but 77 games is close enough and he made the ASG the following year.

I think knee injuries, or like you say, acute injuries in general seem like they have a better prognosis. It's the stress-related injuries that seem really bad.

I'm not sure I'd view Lopez as a success though. The season after the one you're talking about, he broke his foot and played 17 games.

Re: Sources: 76ers center Joel Embiid suffers setback with right foot
« Reply #51 on: June 14, 2015, 02:02:18 PM »

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Perhaps they are in denial, but the consensus amongst Philly fans seems to be that this is old/minor news.  There's no pain.  There is no reinjury.  There's no announcement yet of any surgery.  Just that it hasn't healed the way they want.  The timing of it is peculiar. 

They seem to think this has to do with DeAngelo Russell.  He cancelled his workout with Philly and it lead to wild speculation.   Russell has been widely believed to be Philly's target... but the Knicks are basically in "Russell or bust" mode since Mudiay is a poor fit for the triangle.  The speculation is that perhaps the Knicks have worked out a deal with the Lakers where the Lakers will take Russell ahead of Philly and send him to the Knicks... and since Philly has two franchise bigs already, they expect that Philly will be forced to take Mudiay and let Okafor fall.   They seem to be speculating that this news about Embiid is coming out to give the illusion that Philly is comfortable taking a big... and perhaps dissuade the Lakers from taking Russell for The Knicks.

Sounds cray... we'll see what happens.

They're definitely in denial. It's not good, particularly if it indicates he's a slow healer long term. I'd say this is a major red flag, whereas I think Embiid's weight and the walking boot incident from earlier were much ado about nothing.

But until we see what the outcome is the chicken littles are overreacting as well.

He didn't get hurt or experience any pain from what I understand. It was just something they noticed in a regular check up on it. Hard to say how serious it is without the particulars.

They certainly are in denial. If it's not healing properly then that could lead to yet another surgery where yet another screw is put in.

I don't even think the Sixers or most their fans are in denial, it's just LB33 and a few unreasonable Sixers fans.

Overall it's a terrible sign for a guy who hasn't played in over a year and still is not healthy and may not be able to play in summer league and training camp either. He hasn't played nearly as much basketball as most guys his age and his body is already breaking down. I don't see him holding up over 82 game seasons for very long imo.
There's nothing to be in denial over.  Everything in the report is specifically unspecific. 

No pain.  No re-injury.  Just that they are looking at the results and it's not as healed as they hope.  So what does that even mean?   It doesn't mean that there is something new wrong.  Whatever showed up in that CT Scan probably showed up in all the other CT Scans.  This likely just means they need to pull back on some of Embiid's activity and take a cautious approach so not to risk reinjuring it. 

And the timing of this in conjunction with all the other draft-related reports coming out about Philly, LA and New york is fairly interesting.  I still say Russell is the PHilly target. 

They had a report like this in March and they stuck Embiid in a walking boot for a week.   I understand that people see Embiid and can't shake the vision of Greg Oden, but until we see something about surgery or a timetable, It seems too early to jump to conclusions here.   Even in Woj's report:

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After weeks of rigorous workouts, Embiid had not felt pain in the foot, but a recent CT scan revealed an issue in the healing process, sources said. Philadelphia is consulting with doctors on how to best proceed, and it's still premature to speculate on the possibility of another surgical procedure

We'll see what happens.  Still several months until the season starts.   

FWIW, even with "report", I'd still give up Marcus Smart, #16 and #26 for Embiid.   I think Embiid has the potential to be a franchise player.   
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Re: Sources: 76ers center Joel Embiid suffers setback with right foot
« Reply #52 on: June 14, 2015, 02:23:09 PM »

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I have no idea if this report means anything or not, but the idea that a team would exagerate the injuries of their own star prospect in order to appease their fan base with their selection on draft night seems like some of the most tin foil stuff i have ever read on the site (and that is with a 9-11 truther thread going)

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« Reply #53 on: June 14, 2015, 02:25:58 PM »

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I have no idea if this report means anything or not, but the idea that a team would exagerate the injuries of their own star prospect in order to appease their fan base with their selection on draft night seems like some of the most tin foil stuff i have ever read on the site (and that is with a 9-11 truther thread going)

Exactly. Some people are so in denial because of personal interests that they come up with the wackiest theories to convince themselves and others

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« Reply #54 on: June 14, 2015, 02:26:50 PM »

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Perhaps they are in denial, but the consensus amongst Philly fans seems to be that this is old/minor news.  There's no pain.  There is no reinjury.  There's no announcement yet of any surgery.  Just that it hasn't healed the way they want.  The timing of it is peculiar. 

They seem to think this has to do with DeAngelo Russell.  He cancelled his workout with Philly and it lead to wild speculation.   Russell has been widely believed to be Philly's target... but the Knicks are basically in "Russell or bust" mode since Mudiay is a poor fit for the triangle.  The speculation is that perhaps the Knicks have worked out a deal with the Lakers where the Lakers will take Russell ahead of Philly and send him to the Knicks... and since Philly has two franchise bigs already, they expect that Philly will be forced to take Mudiay and let Okafor fall.   They seem to be speculating that this news about Embiid is coming out to give the illusion that Philly is comfortable taking a big... and perhaps dissuade the Lakers from taking Russell for The Knicks.

Sounds cray... we'll see what happens.

They're definitely in denial. It's not good, particularly if it indicates he's a slow healer long term. I'd say this is a major red flag, whereas I think Embiid's weight and the walking boot incident from earlier were much ado about nothing.

But until we see what the outcome is the chicken littles are overreacting as well.

He didn't get hurt or experience any pain from what I understand. It was just something they noticed in a regular check up on it. Hard to say how serious it is without the particulars.

They certainly are in denial. If it's not healing properly then that could lead to yet another surgery where yet another screw is put in.

I don't even think the Sixers or most their fans are in denial, it's just LB33 and a few unreasonable Sixers fans.

Overall it's a terrible sign for a guy who hasn't played in over a year and still is not healthy and may not be able to play in summer league and training camp either. He hasn't played nearly as much basketball as most guys his age and his body is already breaking down. I don't see him holding up over 82 game seasons for very long imo.
There's nothing to be in denial over.  Everything in the report is specifically unspecific. 

No pain.  No re-injury.  Just that they are looking at the results and it's not as healed as they hope.  So what does that even mean?   It doesn't mean that there is something new wrong.  Whatever showed up in that CT Scan probably showed up in all the other CT Scans.  This likely just means they need to pull back on some of Embiid's activity and take a cautious approach so not to risk reinjuring it. 

And the timing of this in conjunction with all the other draft-related reports coming out about Philly, LA and New york is fairly interesting.  I still say Russell is the PHilly target. 

They had a report like this in March and they stuck Embiid in a walking boot for a week.   I understand that people see Embiid and can't shake the vision of Greg Oden, but until we see something about surgery or a timetable, It seems too early to jump to conclusions here.   Even in Woj's report:

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After weeks of rigorous workouts, Embiid had not felt pain in the foot, but a recent CT scan revealed an issue in the healing process, sources said. Philadelphia is consulting with doctors on how to best proceed, and it's still premature to speculate on the possibility of another surgical procedure

We'll see what happens.  Still several months until the season starts.   

FWIW, even with "report", I'd still give up Marcus Smart, #16 and #26 for Embiid.   I think Embiid has the potential to be a franchise player.

That's not "giving up" that's called getting robbed. I wouldn't trade Smart for him straight up, much less including the picks. Only in nba2k if I can set injuries to "off".

Do you really think Embiid could be counted on year after year, 82 games and playoffs? His body isn't right. These are warning signs that you are refusing to listen to.

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« Reply #55 on: June 14, 2015, 02:26:50 PM »

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I have no idea if this report means anything or not, but the idea that a team would exagerate the injuries of their own star prospect in order to appease their fan base with their selection on draft night seems like some of the most tin foil stuff i have ever read on the site (and that is with a 9-11 truther thread going)
Teams use injury reports strategically all the time. One team in the NFL thats come under fire for it is our own Patriots. Now using it to appease a fan base doesnt make too much sense to me because as a fan Id be more frustrated that we may have wasted a top 3 pick. However, if Philly thought that this was the best way to spin taking another big then I dont think theyd hesitate to do it.

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« Reply #56 on: June 14, 2015, 02:34:08 PM »

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In one year , we have seen nothing that would qualify as a positive report in Embiid, not one report saying he looks great in drills or is really learning about the NBA game or anything. All we have seen are negative reports about his health , attitude , and weight , followed by defensive rebuttals from the Sixers , followed by more negative reports and more denials. But still no unsolicited (i.e. not in response to a negative report) thus far. That tells me all I need to know.


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« Reply #57 on: June 14, 2015, 02:35:26 PM »

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In one year , we have seen nothing that would qualify as a positive report in Embiid, not one report saying he looks great in drills or is really learning about the NBA game or anything. All we have seen are negative reports about his health , attitude , and weight , followed by defensive rebuttals from the Sixers , followed by more negative reports and more denials. But still no unsolicited (i.e. not in response to a negative report) thus far.

Wasn't there a report saying that he looked explosive during drills?

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« Reply #58 on: June 14, 2015, 02:37:22 PM »

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In one year , we have seen nothing that would qualify as a positive report in Embiid, not one report saying he looks great in drills or is really learning about the NBA game or anything. All we have seen are negative reports about his health , attitude , and weight , followed by defensive rebuttals from the Sixers , followed by more negative reports and more denials. But still no unsolicited (i.e. not in response to a negative report) thus far.

Wasn't there a report saying that he looked explosive during drills?

That was in response to reports that he was out of shape, and was immediately followed by a report that he had a setback.

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« Reply #59 on: June 14, 2015, 02:38:14 PM »

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Perhaps they are in denial, but the consensus amongst Philly fans seems to be that this is old/minor news.  There's no pain.  There is no reinjury.  There's no announcement yet of any surgery.  Just that it hasn't healed the way they want.  The timing of it is peculiar. 

They seem to think this has to do with DeAngelo Russell.  He cancelled his workout with Philly and it lead to wild speculation.   Russell has been widely believed to be Philly's target... but the Knicks are basically in "Russell or bust" mode since Mudiay is a poor fit for the triangle.  The speculation is that perhaps the Knicks have worked out a deal with the Lakers where the Lakers will take Russell ahead of Philly and send him to the Knicks... and since Philly has two franchise bigs already, they expect that Philly will be forced to take Mudiay and let Okafor fall.   They seem to be speculating that this news about Embiid is coming out to give the illusion that Philly is comfortable taking a big... and perhaps dissuade the Lakers from taking Russell for The Knicks.

Sounds cray... we'll see what happens.

They're definitely in denial. It's not good, particularly if it indicates he's a slow healer long term. I'd say this is a major red flag, whereas I think Embiid's weight and the walking boot incident from earlier were much ado about nothing.

But until we see what the outcome is the chicken littles are overreacting as well.

He didn't get hurt or experience any pain from what I understand. It was just something they noticed in a regular check up on it. Hard to say how serious it is without the particulars.

They certainly are in denial. If it's not healing properly then that could lead to yet another surgery where yet another screw is put in.

I don't even think the Sixers or most their fans are in denial, it's just LB33 and a few unreasonable Sixers fans.

Overall it's a terrible sign for a guy who hasn't played in over a year and still is not healthy and may not be able to play in summer league and training camp either. He hasn't played nearly as much basketball as most guys his age and his body is already breaking down. I don't see him holding up over 82 game seasons for very long imo.
There's nothing to be in denial over.  Everything in the report is specifically unspecific. 

No pain.  No re-injury.  Just that they are looking at the results and it's not as healed as they hope.  So what does that even mean?   It doesn't mean that there is something new wrong.  Whatever showed up in that CT Scan probably showed up in all the other CT Scans.  This likely just means they need to pull back on some of Embiid's activity and take a cautious approach so not to risk reinjuring it. 

And the timing of this in conjunction with all the other draft-related reports coming out about Philly, LA and New york is fairly interesting.  I still say Russell is the PHilly target. 

They had a report like this in March and they stuck Embiid in a walking boot for a week.   I understand that people see Embiid and can't shake the vision of Greg Oden, but until we see something about surgery or a timetable, It seems too early to jump to conclusions here.   Even in Woj's report:

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After weeks of rigorous workouts, Embiid had not felt pain in the foot, but a recent CT scan revealed an issue in the healing process, sources said. Philadelphia is consulting with doctors on how to best proceed, and it's still premature to speculate on the possibility of another surgical procedure

We'll see what happens.  Still several months until the season starts.   

FWIW, even with "report", I'd still give up Marcus Smart, #16 and #26 for Embiid.   I think Embiid has the potential to be a franchise player.

That's not "giving up" that's called getting robbed. I wouldn't trade Smart for him straight up, much less including the picks. Only in nba2k if I can set injuries to "off".

Do you really think Embiid could be counted on year after year, 82 games and playoffs? His body isn't right. These are warning signs that you are refusing to listen to.
I wouldnt give up that much, but the fact remains that Embiid has superstar potential. No one on our roster has that, no one we could draft possesses that, and no free agent can quite match it even if they wanted to come here.

He has huge question marks, but when a player with this kind of potential becomes available you have to consider moving assets to get him.