Comparing drafts 2012-2014 to 2015

[tarheelsxxiii]

After some fluctuations between excitement, pessimism, and neutrality, I am at a standstill right now thinking about the draft this year. I don't think there are any more mock boards or profiles I can read, or youtube videos I can watch. I wanted to look back to the past few years to get a sense of what our picks at 16 and 28 (if we are unable to move up) have netted for other teams in the past few years.

The past few drafts have been admittedly weak. In 2014 and 2013, talent seemed to drop off pretty quickly. I took a look at first round for each of these years.

2014: Shallow draft, take-home for me was that there was a pretty significant drop off after just the first 3. Elfrid (10) and Lavine (13) seem to have promise. Looking at our positions this year, 16 landed Jusuf Nurkic (idk who it is, but imagine an early draft and stash?) and C.J. Wilcox at 28. Not all that encouraging.

2013: A bit deeper, with Noel (6), McLemore (7), KCP (, MCW (11), S. Adams (12), Giannis (15), Schroeder (17), Snell (20), Plumlee (22). Not bad. At 16 we selected Nogueira and Livio Jean-Charles went 28. Another meh, not encouraging.

2012: More exciting, but far better draft. While there appear to be a nice group of potentially very good players this year, 2012 was pretty top heavy but also had quite a few steals in the late 1st and early 2nd. Davis (1), Beal (3), Lillard (6), Barnes (7), Ross (, Drummond (9!), Henson (14) and Sully (21) were all nice selections. Beyond that, there were plenty of pleasant surprises, including Ezeli (30), Crowder (34), Draymond (35), Middleton (39!). Royce White went 16, Perry Jones III at 28. Bleh, but there were nice steals late nonetheless.

In hindsight, I'm not too optimistic about our positions and really hope we find a way to move up. Seems to be the right move to make with the crop coming in this year, especially when considering drafts within the past few years and those upcoming. Albeit this may be a bit short-sighted, as I only went back to 2012, I am thinking this may be a fairly good indicator of how well selections in our positions this year can turn out.

[Celtics18]

You should look up Jusuf Nurkic.  He wasn't stashed.  He had a fairly promising rookie season for the Nuggets.

If you aren't impressed, you should go all the way back to the 2011 season:

15:  Kawhi Leonard
16:  Nikola Vucevic
17:  Iman Shumpert
19:  Tobias Harris
20:  Donatas Motiejunas
22:  Kenneth Faried
23:  Nikola Mirotic
24:  Reggie Jackson
29:  Cory Joseph
30:  Jimmy Butler
38:  Chandler Parsons

[tarheelsxxiii]

That's really helpful, thanks. Do you think this draft will be as deep? Curious to know who you would like to see drafted at 16 and 28, as well (assuming we stand pat).

[Celtics18]

That's really helpful, thanks. Do you think this draft will be as deep? Curious to know who you would like to see drafted at 16 and 28, as well (assuming we stand pat).

I do think it will be deep.

I've stuck with Bobby Portis since the beginning, but I'll trust Danny to make the best choice.  I think he's due for a home run in this draft. 

[tarheelsxxiii]

That's really helpful, thanks. Do you think this draft will be as deep? Curious to know who you would like to see drafted at 16 and 28, as well (assuming we stand pat).

I do think it will be deep.

I've stuck with Bobby Portis since the beginning, but I'll trust Danny to make the best choice.  I think he's due for a home run in this draft.

I don't know too much about Portis other than videos, but a lot of people seem to be high on him with our pick. Looking at 2011, I honestly can't believe how deep & stacked that draft was. It's amazing.

[BornReady]

Can't believe the 2011 draft was so good
People were saying before it was a weak draft

Also 2013 was considered a weak draft but we've seen some surprises such as gobert, and giannis

[TA9]

The NBA drafts just seem to get weaker and weaker as the years go by. I honestly haven't been impressed "talent wise" with a draft since the one in 2012

[tazzmaniac]

Players need time to develop.  There have been 4 seasons played since the 2011 draft.  The assessment of the 2011 draft after only one or two season played would have been much less impressive. 

[slamtheking]

After some fluctuations between excitement, pessimism, and neutrality, I am at a standstill right now thinking about the draft this year. I don't think there are any more mock boards or profiles I can read, or youtube videos I can watch. I wanted to look back to the past few years to get a sense of what our picks at 16 and 28 (if we are unable to move up) have netted for other teams in the past few years.

The past few drafts have been admittedly weak. In 2014 and 2013, talent seemed to drop off pretty quickly. I took a look at first round for each of these years.

2014: Shallow draft, take-home for me was that there was a pretty significant drop off after just the first 3. Elfrid (10) and Lavine (13) seem to have promise. Looking at our positions this year, 16 landed Jusuf Nurkic (idk who it is, but imagine an early draft and stash?) and C.J. Wilcox at 28. Not all that encouraging.

2013: A bit deeper, with Noel (6), McLemore (7), KCP (, MCW (11), S. Adams (12), Giannis (15), Schroeder (17), Snell (20), Plumlee (22). Not bad. At 16 we selected Nogueira and Livio Jean-Charles went 28. Another meh, not encouraging.

2012: More exciting, but far better draft. While there appear to be a nice group of potentially very good players this year, 2012 was pretty top heavy but also had quite a few steals in the late 1st and early 2nd. Davis (1), Beal (3), Lillard (6), Barnes (7), Ross (, Drummond (9!), Henson (14) and Sully (21) were all nice selections. Beyond that, there were plenty of pleasant surprises, including Ezeli (30), Crowder (34), Draymond (35), Middleton (39!). Royce White went 16, Perry Jones III at 28. Bleh, but there were nice steals late nonetheless.

In hindsight, I'm not too optimistic about our positions and really hope we find a way to move up. Seems to be the right move to make with the crop coming in this year, especially when considering drafts within the past few years and those upcoming. Albeit this may be a bit short-sighted, as I only went back to 2012, I am thinking this may be a fairly good indicator of how well selections in our positions this year can turn out.

noticed you omitted Smart from last year's draft.  He's easily as talented as either Payton or Lavine (moreso IMO)
also, you left KO out of the 2013 list when he's shown more than everyone else on that list through 2 years with the exception of Noel.  also omitted Oladipo who really should have been ROY and has shown to be the second best player from that draft so far (behind Noel).

[LGC88]

judging a draft before a 4-5 years span is very unfair.

[cltc5]

After some fluctuations between excitement, pessimism, and neutrality, I am at a standstill right now thinking about the draft this year. I don't think there are any more mock boards or profiles I can read, or youtube videos I can watch. I wanted to look back to the past few years to get a sense of what our picks at 16 and 28 (if we are unable to move up) have netted for other teams in the past few years.

The past few drafts have been admittedly weak. In 2014 and 2013, talent seemed to drop off pretty quickly. I took a look at first round for each of these years.

2014: Shallow draft, take-home for me was that there was a pretty significant drop off after just the first 3. Elfrid (10) and Lavine (13) seem to have promise. Looking at our positions this year, 16 landed Jusuf Nurkic (idk who it is, but imagine an early draft and stash?) and C.J. Wilcox at 28. Not all that encouraging.

2013: A bit deeper, with Noel (6), McLemore (7), KCP (, MCW (11), S. Adams (12), Giannis (15), Schroeder (17), Snell (20), Plumlee (22). Not bad. At 16 we selected Nogueira and Livio Jean-Charles went 28. Another meh, not encouraging.

2012: More exciting, but far better draft. While there appear to be a nice group of potentially very good players this year, 2012 was pretty top heavy but also had quite a few steals in the late 1st and early 2nd. Davis (1), Beal (3), Lillard (6), Barnes (7), Ross (, Drummond (9!), Henson (14) and Sully (21) were all nice selections. Beyond that, there were plenty of pleasant surprises, including Ezeli (30), Crowder (34), Draymond (35), Middleton (39!). Royce White went 16, Perry Jones III at 28. Bleh, but there were nice steals late nonetheless.

In hindsight, I'm not too optimistic about our positions and really hope we find a way to move up. Seems to be the right move to make with the crop coming in this year, especially when considering drafts within the past few years and those upcoming. Albeit this may be a bit short-sighted, as I only went back to 2012, I am thinking this may be a fairly good indicator of how well selections in our positions this year can turn out.

We could have had ezeli or deng and we took fab.  p---es me of still

[Csfan1984]

I see the point there are always draft steals. But if you want to inspire hope or dread that 16 and 28 can net stars or good role players a section of draft steals made vs bust picks in DA era would be more hopeful.

As in Big AL, Tony Allen, Rondo, Perk I feel were his draft steals.

KO over Gobert and Greek freak was tough for many to see during draft. (I was in Gobert Camp. I'm in the Portis camp this year). That move seems the most on the spot critiqued.

His true bust players Banks, Giddens, Pruitt, and Fab.

Oh and virtually every second round pick was mediocre or a bust. Moore is only possible* exception but he was used in a trade.

[Celtics18]

That's really helpful, thanks. Do you think this draft will be as deep? Curious to know who you would like to see drafted at 16 and 28, as well (assuming we stand pat).

I do think it will be deep.

I've stuck with Bobby Portis since the beginning, but I'll trust Danny to make the best choice.  I think he's due for a home run in this draft.

I don't know too much about Portis other than videos, but a lot of people seem to be high on him with our pick. Looking at 2011, I honestly can't believe how deep & stacked that draft was. It's amazing.

Yes, 2011 was a very deep draft class.  Another fairly "amazing" draft class is 2008.

It had its stars at the top of the lottery in Rose, Westbrook, and Love, but what is impressive about that class is that except for the last three--Donte Green, DJ White, and JR Giddens--every post-lottery first rounder is still in the league going on eight years later. 

There aren't any huge names from thirteen through twenty-seven, just a lot of solid pros:

15:  Robin Lopez
16:  Mo Speights
17:  Roy Hibbert
18:  Javale McGee
19:  JJ Hickson
20:  Alexis Ajinca
21:  Ryan Anderson
22:  Courtney Lee
23:  Kosta Koufos
24:  Serge Ibaka
25:  Nicolas Batum
26:  George Hill
27:  Darrell Arthur

Throw in Nikola Pekovic, Mario Chalmers, Deandre Jordan, Omer Asik, Luc Mbah a Moute and Goran Dragic taken in the second round, and the depth of the 2008 draft really is ridiculous. 

[PaulAllen]

I think the top 15 of this draft is as strong of any draft in the past 10 years and considerably stronger than last years draft. For the Celtics I think it will be harder to trade up than most think. If they can dangle Sullinger to move up it may be an option but those who think they can move up to 7 or 8 by dangling 16 and 28 (even possibly another pick)... It will not happen..

[slamtheking]

I see the point there are always draft steals. But if you want to inspire hope or dread that 16 and 28 can net stars or good role players a section of draft steals made vs bust picks in DA era would be more hopeful.

As in Big AL, Tony Allen, Rondo, Perk I feel were his draft steals.

KO over Gobert and Greek freak was tough for many to see during draft. (I was in Gobert Camp. I'm in the Portis camp this year). That move seems the most on the spot critiqued.

His true bust players Banks, Giddens, Pruitt, and Fab.

Oh and virtually every second round pick was mediocre or a bust. Moore is only possible* exception but he was used in a trade.

Danny's had better success than pretty much any other GM in the second round.  You come across complaining that he didn't find a stud in the second round when any player taken at that point is lucky to end up a rotation player.  To add to your "exceptions":
- Ryan Gomes was a decent backup 3/4 used in the trade to acquire KG.  solid pick
- Leon Powe was a solid backup 4 in the 2008 championship run and was really solid until his injury in 2009.  If he'd been healthy going into the playoffs against Orlando, C's very likely win that series and most likely at least reach the finals that year.  Solid Pick
- BBD was a solid backup 4/5 in the 2008 championship run and was really solid until he got a little full of himself and was traded for Bass.  Solid Pick
- Semih Erden.  last pick in his draft and played pretty decently for the last player picked.  looked like he could be a backup center until his injury.  solid pick.
-->every one of these guys was a better player than E'tuan Moore, who I'm happy to see is still in the league.