We are in an unfortunate situation

[Future Celtics Owner]

Scrappy small guys are a dime a dozen.

The Celtics won the 2008 championship primarily because the previous summer they added a seven foot madman who combined an ability to elevate a team defense to elite levels with an impossible to stop, efficient inside-out scoring game.


When the Celtics have a Hall of Fame caliber big man as the centerpiece of the defense, we can start making comparisons to 2008.

We also had PP. A guy who could hold his own and even beat guys like Lebron, Kobe, Melo

[Future Celtics Owner]

I think we were in a great situation and I believe Ainge thought so too, until we hit a little bump in the road by making the playoffs. Had we not made the playoffs and won the games we had no business winning, we would have the 8-9th pick this year.

Hopefully we trade Avery ET KO and IT, while almost all their stocks are high, and select better people in this draft. Then next year we will have to be a team in the top part of the draft; and maybe the year after....If we do this I believe we will be in a great position to win championshipS

[LarBrd33]

Scrappy small guys are a dime a dozen.

The Celtics won the 2008 championship primarily because the previous summer they added a seven foot madman who combined an ability to elevate a team defense to elite levels with an impossible to stop, efficient inside-out scoring game.


When the Celtics have a Hall of Fame caliber big man as the centerpiece of the defense, we can start making comparisons to 2008.

We also had PP. A guy who could hold his own and even beat guys like Lebron, Kobe, Melo

What's the modern equivalent to the skill level of KG, Pierce and Ray back in 2008?

Anthony Davis, Carmelo Anthony and Klay Thompson?

[Future Celtics Owner]

Scrappy small guys are a dime a dozen.

The Celtics won the 2008 championship primarily because the previous summer they added a seven foot madman who combined an ability to elevate a team defense to elite levels with an impossible to stop, efficient inside-out scoring game.


When the Celtics have a Hall of Fame caliber big man as the centerpiece of the defense, we can start making comparisons to 2008.

We also had PP. A guy who could hold his own and even beat guys like Lebron, Kobe, Melo

What's the modern equivalent to the skill level of KG, Pierce and Ray back in 2008?

Anthony Davis, Carmelo Anthony and Klay Thompson?

Yea tp. That team has everything covered and reminds me of the feeling I had when we got KG.

[Ilikesports17]

Scrappy small guys are a dime a dozen.

The Celtics won the 2008 championship primarily because the previous summer they added a seven foot madman who combined an ability to elevate a team defense to elite levels with an impossible to stop, efficient inside-out scoring game.


When the Celtics have a Hall of Fame caliber big man as the centerpiece of the defense, we can start making comparisons to 2008.

We also had PP. A guy who could hold his own and even beat guys like Lebron, Kobe, Melo

What's the modern equivalent to the skill level of KG, Pierce and Ray back in 2008?

Anthony Davis, Carmelo Anthony and Klay Thompson?

Yea tp. That team has everything covered and reminds me of the feeling I had when we got KG.

Thats the talent equivalent but our big 3 was much older.

[Rondo9]

I think we were in a great situation and I believe Ainge thought so too, until we hit a little bump in the road by making the playoffs. Had we not made the playoffs and won the games we had no business winning, we would have the 8-9th pick this year.

Hopefully we trade Avery ET KO and IT, while almost all their stocks are high, and select better people in this draft. Then next year we will have to be a team in the top part of the draft; and maybe the year after....If we do this I believe we will be in a great position to win championshipS

Why aren't great position to win championships right now?

[BDeCosta26]

I think we were in a great situation and I believe Ainge thought so too, until we hit a little bump in the road by making the playoffs. Had we not made the playoffs and won the games we had no business winning, we would have the 8-9th pick this year.

Hopefully we trade Avery ET KO and IT, while almost all their stocks are high, and select better people in this draft. Then next year we will have to be a team in the top part of the draft; and maybe the year after....If we do this I believe we will be in a great position to win championshipS

Why aren't great position to win championships right now?

Because if you ask this dude, everyone on our team sucks and we need to trade them all for Myles Turner and Robert Upshaw and build a team around an absurd number of late lottery/ mid-first round picks because the guys coming up in the draft the next few years are clearly better than all the other classes before them. It's a solid plan, I personally can't wait till Wyc sells so this dude can buy the team.

[Celtics18]

K.O. would shock the heck out of me.

I think your safe in that regard, unless they have a Jay and Bob lookalike all star game.

I looked up some stats for a selected group of "scoring bigs."  I wanted to see how their numbers stacked up to Kelly Olynyk's for their first two years in the league.  Most of the players I looked at have been all stars, many multiple time all stars.  I threw in a couple who have yet to make an all star team, but are good young scoring bigs (Greg Monroe, Nikola Vucevic), and a couple who have never been all stars and probably won't be, but who Kelly has been compared to quite a bit (Luis Scola, Ryan Anderson).

Points Per Game, first two seasons:

Brook Lopez, 15.9
Chris Bosh, 14.2
Dirk Nowitzki, 14.1
Lamarcus Aldridge, 13.8
Marc Gasol, 13.1
Greg Monroe, 12.1
Luis Scola, 11.5
Nikola Vucevic, 10.1
Kelly Olynyk, 9.4
David Lee, 7.7
Ryan Anderson, 7.6
Paul Milsap, 7.4
David West, 4.5

Points Per 36 Minutes, first two seasons (Player's age, first NBA season):

Lamarcus Aldridge, 17.1 (21)
Brook Lopez, 17.0 (20)
Dirk Nowitzki, 16.8 (20)
Kelly Olynyk, 16.1 (22)
Ryan Anderson, 15.8 (20)
Luis Scola, 15.1 (27)
Greg Monroe, 14.8 (20)
Chris Bosh, 14.5 (19)
Marc Gasol, 14.3 (24)
Nikola Vucevic, 13.8 (21)
Paul Milsap, 13.8 (21)
David Lee, 12.2 (22)
David West, 11.1 (23)

Playoff Appearances, first two seasons:

Paul Milsap, 2
Luis Scola, 2
David West, 1
Ryan Anderson, 1
Kelly Olynyk, 1
The Rest, 0

My conclusion is that while multiple all star games, or even a single all star game, is far from a foregone conclusion for Kelly Olynyk's future, he certainly looks to have a good future as a scoring big in this league. 

I predict that he will end up having at least two seasons scoring eighteen or more points per game and make at least one all star game. 

Finally, I don't know that these numbers prove anything or have any real statistical merit, but it was fun to look up for comparison to some other proven scoring bigs around the league and see how our Kelly stacked up in his first couple of years.

[Donoghus]

I think we were in a great situation and I believe Ainge thought so too, until we hit a little bump in the road by making the playoffs. Had we not made the playoffs and won the games we had no business winning, we would have the 8-9th pick this year.

Hopefully we trade Avery ET KO and IT, while almost all their stocks are high, and select better people in this draft. Then next year we will have to be a team in the top part of the draft; and maybe the year after....If we do this I believe we will be in a great position to win championshipS

Why aren't great position to win championships right now?

Because we still need an alpha dog & a second banana.  The supporting cast is getting closer to being in place.

[LooseCannon]

Finally, I don't know that these numbers prove anything or have any real statistical merit, but it was fun to look up for comparison to some other proven scoring bigs around the league and see how our Kelly stacked up in his first couple of years.

Its meaningless because you only looked up good players and didn't check out guys like Charlie Villanueva, Anthony Randolph, and Zeljko Rebaca.

[Celtics18]

Finally, I don't know that these numbers prove anything or have any real statistical merit, but it was fun to look up for comparison to some other proven scoring bigs around the league and see how our Kelly stacked up in his first couple of years.

Its meaningless because you only looked up good players and didn't check out guys like Charlie Villanueva, Anthony Randolph, and Zeljko Rebaca.

You're right.  I'll have to try to do a search for bigs who were as productive as Kelly in their first couple of years who ended up as washouts.

I suspect it won't be easy to find a ton of guys who fit that description.

Those names are a good start, though.  Keep 'em coming.

[littleteapot]

Ryan Gomes (first 2 seasons):

10.0 ppg
13.2 pts/36 mins

[Celtics18]

Ryan Gomes (first 2 seasons):

10.0 ppg
13.2 pts/36 mins

Another good one.  Although, 13.2 is quite a ways off from 16.1.

Full disclosure:  he's another young Celtic I was high on at the time.

[Celtics18]

Finally, I don't know that these numbers prove anything or have any real statistical merit, but it was fun to look up for comparison to some other proven scoring bigs around the league and see how our Kelly stacked up in his first couple of years.

Its meaningless because you only looked up good players and didn't check out guys like Charlie Villanueva, Anthony Randolph, and Zeljko Rebaca.

Zeljko was twenty-nine when he played his first NBA game.

[hwangjini_1]

Finally, I don't know that these numbers prove anything or have any real statistical merit, but it was fun to look up for comparison to some other proven scoring bigs around the league and see how our Kelly stacked up in his first couple of years.

Its meaningless because you only looked up good players and didn't check out guys like Charlie Villanueva, Anthony Randolph, and Zeljko Rebaca.

perhaps you mean celetis18's post needs context, because it certainly has meaning as written.

next, you mention villanueva and others, but why? and what would their stats show us that would improve on celtics18 post? these are real questions since i am not sure what your exact point is in the post.