Aldridge not high on Spurs, could do a S+T to Boston (rumor)

[crimson_stallion]

Dallas can do this as well if Im not mistaken and if they do they are a pg away from being really really good

random dude
Matthews
Parsons
Nowitzki
Aldridge

Im very worried that he goes to Dallas and that Dallas pick becomes a 25+ pick

But problem here is that Dallas already has Dirk, and there's no way they are moving him to the bench.

Aldridge has reportedly stated multiple times in the past that he insists on playing PF rather than center - if so then Dallas doesn't fit unless they move dirk to center...which makes no sense at all.

[mmmmm]

Okay so what about this:

First, Kelly O, ET, 16, 33 (Maybe throw in a future first too) for 6

Rondo TPE for Stephenson
Simultaneous trade:
AB for 9

6: WCS
9: Stanley Johnson
28: Upshaw or Wood
45: Vezenkov

Sign LMA
Sign Wes Matthews

Smart
Stephenson
Johnson
Aldridge
WCS

IT
Matthews
Crowder
Sully
Zeller

Deep Bench: Young, Upshaw or Wood, Vezenkov

As you can tell I'm really high on the 2015 draft as we are keeping 4 picks

Let me know what you think!

Btw If you really think we should sign and trade for Aldridge let me know what you think we could do using the roster I have set!

Why would you use the Rondo TPE to match Stephenson's salary and then send them AB with no salary coming back?  Why wouldn't you just match Stephenson's salary with ABs?

I don't think you can get low enough under the cap to sign both LMA and Matthews.  I think you'll want to do a S&T deal to get them.

I was doing those simultaneous trades because of the rumor Charlotte will give up 9 if someone takes Stevenson

hahahahahaha

how about this
we keep the TE
Bradley for 9 and Lance

Would they do that?

Well, from their point of view, thats what your first proposal was, anyway.  Each side of the transaction gets to record it in whatever ways work for their situation, per the CBA.  Charlotte never sees our Rondo TPE in that transaction.  They just see Lance going out (along with the #9) and Avery coming back in.

A TPE is not 'sent out' in a trade.  We can't give the Rondo TPE to Charlotte.

The TPE was _created_ when we sent out more salary than we took back in for the Rondo trade.  It is a place holder for us to accept salary back in, as the completion of a 'non-simultaneous' trade.

So we can use it to absorb the salary of Lance, certainly.  But there are probably better uses of it.

In your first trade scenario, it gets wasted because, by sending out AB, we would have sent out enough matching salary to bring in Lance.  There is no reason to use the Rondo TPE.

Now, if Charlotte WANTED to create a TPE of their own (they would have to be over the cap for that to make sense) then they would not want Bradley's matching salary going to them.   In that scenario, we would have to use our TPE to absorb Lance's salary  without sending any back.

[crimson_stallion]

Dunno about that. I maintain that we're an attractive destination. Not 2009-10 Miami attractive, but still attractive.

Not enough has been said about San Antonio. Great weather. Home state of many players. Great culture. Winning team, great personnel foundation, etc.

LAL will always be pretty attractive. If they dealt their #2 pick to a team like Chicago for Jimmy Butler for example (obviously after the draft because it'd have to be a sign and trade), all of a sudden that's a really nice landing spot for a guy like Love.

There's probably a few I'm missing. Another team that people don't seem to be talking about is Phoenix. Another great weather, culture oriented city. Solid foundation in place (players + coach). Not a bad flight to nightlife cities like LA or Houston. Why wouldn't Aldridge enjoy:

Knight/[Bledsoe]/Aaron Harrison
Bledsoe/Bogdanovic (watch out for this kid)/Goodwin
Markieff Morris/PJ Tucker/TJ Warren
LMA/Marcus Morris/[Markieff]
Len/[Marcus]/Bobby Portis

in a hot weather city?

PS. The DKC needs you on Reddit.

I don't see how on earth the Spurs could be attractive to any post 27 year old star right now.

1) They get no media attention, so you won't get the recognition you'd get on other teams
2) Of the four big names on the roster, three probably won't be there 2 years from now
3) The hall of fame coach may not be there two years from now (will he stay through a rebuild?)
4) The only guy on the roster with much future potential is Leonard, who's not 'franchise guy' good

Any guy coming to this team is likely to get no more than one year of competitive play before going through a 2-3 year rebuild. 

If you're already 29-30 years old, why would you sign a 4 year contract to come to a situation like that, knowing that three of those four years will probably be wasted playing for a team that struggles to make the playoffs?  Then after the contract ends you're 33-34 years old, you're on the decline, and your chances of helping a team win a title are fading.

San Antonio is much more attractive to younger guys like Kevin Love, DeAndre Jordan, Greg Monroe.  Those guys are still in their mid 20's.  They can afford to go through a 3-4 year rebuild knowing that once the team is ready to compete they (along with Leonard) are just entering the prime of their careers. 

For a guy like Adridge the San Antonio seriously makes very little sense. 

The same is true for the Lakers.  Randle barely played this season, which means that for all intents and purposes he's a rookie next season.  So the Lakers get a nice pick in this year's draft and Kobe comes back.  Now you're going to join a team who's best player is about 36 years old and coming off a major surgery, who's 2nd and 3rd best players are rookies (one of whom plays the same position as you), who have a terrible coach, and who are infamous for having some of the worst decision-making staff among all NBA teams.  Don't see the appeal for a guy like Aldridge there...he's not winning anytime soon.

As for Houston...that's probably the most appealing of those three destinations, but still not outrageously appealing.  That team has barely as much talent as Boston does and they're in the West.  Plus they don't have nearly as many assets as Boston does for future improvement.  Personally don't see them going past the first round in the West, even with Aldridge.

[crimson_stallion]

Oh and there is no way I'd even dream about taking Stephenson. 

Even if you can absorb his contract THIS YEAR, you still owe him $18M over the following two years.  It's not like you can just offload that to somebody else afterwards either - NOBODY wants that guy. 

Unlike Wallace, you can't even just bench him and wait for the contract to expire.  The guy is one of the worse locker room cancers in the league, he doesn't even need to step on the floor to destroy your team chemistry.

[Ilikesports17]

Oh and there is no way I'd even dream about taking Stephenson. 

Even if you can absorb his contract THIS YEAR, you still owe him $18M over the following two years.  It's not like you can just offload that to somebody else afterwards either - NOBODY wants that guy. 

Unlike Wallace, you can't even just bench him and wait for the contract to expire.  The guy is one of the worse locker room cancers in the league, he doesn't even need to step on the floor to destroy your team chemistry.

what are you talking about.

He has 2 years left on his deal and the second one is a player option.

We would be eating one year of a bad contract.

The chemistry concern is more than legitimate.

[D Dub]

Oh and there is no way I'd even dream about taking Stephenson. 

Even if you can absorb his contract THIS YEAR, you still owe him $18M over the following two years.  It's not like you can just offload that to somebody else afterwards either - NOBODY wants that guy. 

Unlike Wallace, you can't even just bench him and wait for the contract to expire.  The guy is one of the worse locker room cancers in the league, he doesn't even need to step on the floor to destroy your team chemistry.

It would be a risky proposition, but from the neck down he'd be a great fit in our system.   He can switch 1-3 and is a willing passer.  25 yr old I think.   If Brad and Danny can get his head on straight it'd be a steal.   Especially if we also get the #9 pick for going out on that limb. 

[MJohnnyboy]

Oh and there is no way I'd even dream about taking Stephenson. 

Even if you can absorb his contract THIS YEAR, you still owe him $18M over the following two years.  It's not like you can just offload that to somebody else afterwards either - NOBODY wants that guy. 

Unlike Wallace, you can't even just bench him and wait for the contract to expire.  The guy is one of the worse locker room cancers in the league, he doesn't even need to step on the floor to destroy your team chemistry.

It would be a risky proposition, but from the neck down he'd be a great fit in our system.   He can switch 1-3 and is a willing passer.  25 yr old I think.   If Brad and Danny can get his head on straight it'd be a steal.   Especially if we also get the #9 pick for going out on that limb.

Im down with that outside of the #9 pick. Not because I wouldn't like another lottery pick but I think Charlottes not giving that up to get rid of Stephenson. I think they will "josh smith" him before they do that. But I would be down for getting him. He would be Turner on steroids. His biggest problem is he thinks he's the man when he's really a #3 guy. I'd love to see what Stevens could get out of him too.

[LooseCannon]

Oh and there is no way I'd even dream about taking Stephenson. 

Even if you can absorb his contract THIS YEAR, you still owe him $18M over the following two years.  It's not like you can just offload that to somebody else afterwards either - NOBODY wants that guy. 

Unlike Wallace, you can't even just bench him and wait for the contract to expire.  The guy is one of the worse locker room cancers in the league, he doesn't even need to step on the floor to destroy your team chemistry.

It would be a risky proposition, but from the neck down he'd be a great fit in our system.   He can switch 1-3 and is a willing passer.  25 yr old I think.   If Brad and Danny can get his head on straight it'd be a steal.   Especially if we also get the #9 pick for going out on that limb.

Im down with that outside of the #9 pick. Not because I wouldn't like another lottery pick but I think Charlottes not giving that up to get rid of Stephenson. I think they will "josh smith" him before they do that. But I would be down for getting him. He would be Turner on steroids. His biggest problem is he thinks he's the man when he's really a #3 guy. I'd love to see what Stevens could get out of him too.

I'm not completely opposed to trying to acquire Stephenson, but I'd be happier if he were brought in with the intention of bringing him off the bench and having to earn playing time.

[crimson_stallion]

Oh and there is no way I'd even dream about taking Stephenson. 

Even if you can absorb his contract THIS YEAR, you still owe him $18M over the following two years.  It's not like you can just offload that to somebody else afterwards either - NOBODY wants that guy. 

Unlike Wallace, you can't even just bench him and wait for the contract to expire.  The guy is one of the worse locker room cancers in the league, he doesn't even need to step on the floor to destroy your team chemistry.

It would be a risky proposition, but from the neck down he'd be a great fit in our system.   He can switch 1-3 and is a willing passer.  25 yr old I think.   If Brad and Danny can get his head on straight it'd be a steal.   Especially if we also get the #9 pick for going out on that limb.

Im down with that outside of the #9 pick. Not because I wouldn't like another lottery pick but I think Charlottes not giving that up to get rid of Stephenson. I think they will "josh smith" him before they do that. But I would be down for getting him. He would be Turner on steroids. His biggest problem is he thinks he's the man when he's really a #3 guy. I'd love to see what Stevens could get out of him too.

Problem is, I don't think Turner was ever that big a problem in terms of getting in to arguments with coaches, getting in fist fights with teammates, etc.

IIRC Stephenson has had both of those problems. Or am I mistaken?

[MJohnnyboy]

Oh and there is no way I'd even dream about taking Stephenson. 

Even if you can absorb his contract THIS YEAR, you still owe him $18M over the following two years.  It's not like you can just offload that to somebody else afterwards either - NOBODY wants that guy. 

Unlike Wallace, you can't even just bench him and wait for the contract to expire.  The guy is one of the worse locker room cancers in the league, he doesn't even need to step on the floor to destroy your team chemistry.

It would be a risky proposition, but from the neck down he'd be a great fit in our system.   He can switch 1-3 and is a willing passer.  25 yr old I think.   If Brad and Danny can get his head on straight it'd be a steal.   Especially if we also get the #9 pick for going out on that limb.

Im down with that outside of the #9 pick. Not because I wouldn't like another lottery pick but I think Charlottes not giving that up to get rid of Stephenson. I think they will "josh smith" him before they do that. But I would be down for getting him. He would be Turner on steroids. His biggest problem is he thinks he's the man when he's really a #3 guy. I'd love to see what Stevens could get out of him too.

Problem is, I don't think Turner was ever that big a problem in terms of getting in to arguments with coaches, getting in fist fights with teammates, etc.

IIRC Stephenson has had both of those problems. Or am I mistaken?

I mean as far as skillsets go, Stephenson would be an upgrade over Turner. Like the other guy said, if the Celtics were to acquire Stephenson, I think it would be best if he earned his minutes to prove himself.

[BornReady]

Why would Aldridge join us were no better than the Blazers currently
Plus there's no all stars here to recruit him

[LarBrd33]

Oh and there is no way I'd even dream about taking Stephenson. 

Even if you can absorb his contract THIS YEAR, you still owe him $18M over the following two years.  It's not like you can just offload that to somebody else afterwards either - NOBODY wants that guy. 

Unlike Wallace, you can't even just bench him and wait for the contract to expire.  The guy is one of the worse locker room cancers in the league, he doesn't even need to step on the floor to destroy your team chemistry.

It would be a risky proposition, but from the neck down he'd be a great fit in our system.   He can switch 1-3 and is a willing passer.  25 yr old I think.   If Brad and Danny can get his head on straight it'd be a steal.   Especially if we also get the #9 pick for going out on that limb.

Im down with that outside of the #9 pick. Not because I wouldn't like another lottery pick but I think Charlottes not giving that up to get rid of Stephenson. I think they will "josh smith" him before they do that. But I would be down for getting him. He would be Turner on steroids. His biggest problem is he thinks he's the man when he's really a #3 guy. I'd love to see what Stevens could get out of him too.

Problem is, I don't think Turner was ever that big a problem in terms of getting in to arguments with coaches, getting in fist fights with teammates, etc.

IIRC Stephenson has had both of those problems. Or am I mistaken?

I mean as far as skillsets go, Stephenson would be an upgrade over Turner. Like the other guy said, if the Celtics were to acquire Stephenson, I think it would be best if he earned his minutes to prove himself.

Dude if you could actually get the #9 pick just for taking Lance Stephenson, you'd be insane not to do it... especially considering the cap is jumping 40 mil over the next 2 years.  You could flat out cut Lance and it wouldn't have too much of an impact on our cap situation.  Yes, you'd be paying a lot of money to secure a #9 pick, but who cares?  Unless this team really thinks it's going to land max contract talent and needs to keep cap open this summer, it doesn't seem to have any drawbacks.