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Re: Aldridge not high on Spurs, could do a S+T to Boston (rumor)
« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2015, 06:55:18 PM »

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Okay so what about this:

First, Kelly O, ET, 16, 33 (Maybe throw in a future first too) for 6

Rondo TPE for Stephenson
Simultaneous trade:
AB for 9

6: WCS
9: Stanley Johnson
28: Upshaw or Wood
45: Vezenkov

Sign LMA
Sign Wes Matthews

Smart
Stephenson
Johnson
Aldridge
WCS

IT
Matthews
Crowder
Sully
Zeller

Deep Bench: Young, Upshaw or Wood, Vezenkov

As you can tell I'm really high on the 2015 draft as we are keeping 4 picks

Let me know what you think!

Btw If you really think we should sign and trade for Aldridge let me know what you think we could do using the roster I have set!

Re: Aldridge not high on Spurs, could do a S+T to Boston (rumor)
« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2015, 07:00:58 PM »

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Someone PLEASE answer these questions:

1) I understand Aldridge is a good player, but he is also 30. Why exactly would he be a "perfect fit"? We need a wing scorer and a rim protector. He is neither.

2) Why in Gods Name would we sign and trade for him? If we can just sign him straight up without giving up our assets why sign and trade?
 
Let me make this clear, I will be ecstatic if he signs because we need TALENT. But I do not understand gutting out team when we could just sign him.

Sure, i'll throw in my two cents.  we'll see if you find them compelling or not. 

1)  Because he satisfies the need for scoring, and is a big with a very dangerous outside shot.  That makes him an ideal P/R partner for Thomas.  The term rim protector, imho, is just a buzzword.  If your defense can rotate on a string, you don't need your center to meet everyone at the rim.  that strategy is one extra pass away from failure, just look what GS is getting away with when DGreen plays center. 

2)  You sign and trade for him so that you can add more high $ players alongside him.  If you just sign him outright, for example, we'd hit the cap and would find ourselves out of the market for players like Wes Matthews, Jimmy Butler, Kris Middleton, Toby Harris et al.

Reality is we have more assets than we need.  We aren't adding 4 rookies to the lineup.  We can't keep Sully, KO, & Jerebko if we bring in LMA.  So, it does make some sense to cash in these chips as a way to preserver that additional cap space. 

Re: Aldridge not high on Spurs, could do a S+T to Boston (rumor)
« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2015, 07:08:53 PM »

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Someone PLEASE answer these questions:

1) I understand Aldridge is a good player, but he is also 30. Why exactly would he be a "perfect fit"? We need a wing scorer and a rim protector. He is neither.

2) Why in Gods Name would we sign and trade for him? If we can just sign him straight up without giving up our assets why sign and trade?
 
Let me make this clear, I will be ecstatic if he signs because we need TALENT. But I do not understand gutting out team when we could just sign him.

1) Because he's really really really really good.   And because he's got the kind of body and game that will probably continue to be really really really really good for another 5-6 seasons.

2) You've got it backwards.  A fair number of our 'assets' include several Traded Player Exceptions and the rights to resign our own free agents (Bass, Jerebko, Crowder & Datome').   Each of those imposes a 'cap hold' that currently keeps us well above the salary cap.  If we want to drop way down below the cap in order to sign a max free agent outright, we would have to renounce most of our TPEs and FA rights.  In particular, we'd definitely have to renounce our two largest TPEs (7M for Prince, 12.9M for Rondo) and Bass & Jerebko.    If, instead, we execute a sign & trade to get him, we only have to give up some nominal value proportional to the favor of doing it as a sign & trade.

I've outlined this idea elsewhere, but there are potentially ways for Danny to make this very painless.

Using Wallace as the main salary filler works, but would require more 'value' thrown in in order to get Portland to accept paying his salary.

If Danny could pry Brendan Haywood's contract from Cleveland for a couple of 2nd round picks (absorbing it with the Rondo TPE), that would be a better filler to use, since it's not guaranteed if waived before 8/1.   So, if that's the bulk of the matching salary, you can match the rest with Babb and some other throw-in and then you just need some modest pick or two to compensate them for their trouble.

So doing a sign & trade shouldn't result in gutting our assets at all.  It is a way of preserving them.

The main trick, before any such creative maneuvering can take place, though, is that Danny has to convince LaMarcus to come to Boston.   Once that happens, then the rest is easy.

A similar s&t scenario can be played out with Detroit to get Monroe, who is a less lauded but a younger and pretty decent alternative if Aldridge doesn't happen.
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Re: Aldridge not high on Spurs, could do a S+T to Boston (rumor)
« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2015, 07:19:51 PM »

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Okay so what about this:

First, Kelly O, ET, 16, 33 (Maybe throw in a future first too) for 6

Rondo TPE for Stephenson
Simultaneous trade:
AB for 9

6: WCS
9: Stanley Johnson
28: Upshaw or Wood
45: Vezenkov

Sign LMA
Sign Wes Matthews

Smart
Stephenson
Johnson
Aldridge
WCS

IT
Matthews
Crowder
Sully
Zeller

Deep Bench: Young, Upshaw or Wood, Vezenkov

As you can tell I'm really high on the 2015 draft as we are keeping 4 picks

Let me know what you think!

Btw If you really think we should sign and trade for Aldridge let me know what you think we could do using the roster I have set!


Why would you use the Rondo TPE to match Stephenson's salary and then send them AB with no salary coming back?  Why wouldn't you just match Stephenson's salary with ABs?

I don't think you can get low enough under the cap to sign both LMA and Matthews.  I think you'll want to do a S&T deal to get them.
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Re: Aldridge not high on Spurs, could do a S+T to Boston (rumor)
« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2015, 07:21:55 PM »

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Someone PLEASE answer these questions:

1) I understand Aldridge is a good player, but he is also 30. Why exactly would he be a "perfect fit"? We need a wing scorer and a rim protector. He is neither.

2) Why in Gods Name would we sign and trade for him? If we can just sign him straight up without giving up our assets why sign and trade?
 
Let me make this clear, I will be ecstatic if he signs because we need TALENT. But I do not understand gutting out team when we could just sign him.

Re: Aldridge not high on Spurs, could do a S+T to Boston (rumor)
« Reply #35 on: June 09, 2015, 07:23:19 PM »

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Someone PLEASE answer these questions:

1) I understand Aldridge is a good player, but he is also 30. Why exactly would he be a "perfect fit"? We need a wing scorer and a rim protector. He is neither.

2) Why in Gods Name would we sign and trade for him? If we can just sign him straight up without giving up our assets why sign and trade?
 
Let me make this clear, I will be ecstatic if he signs because we need TALENT. But I do not understand gutting out team when we could just sign him.

The answer is quite simple and the question really didn't even need to be asked. Because he's one of the best power forwards in the league and we need star talent. Let's stop making it seem like you're a senior citizen when you're 30.

We won a championship with KG and he was (if I am not mistaken) 32 years old
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Re: Aldridge not high on Spurs, could do a S+T to Boston (rumor)
« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2015, 07:44:00 PM »

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Someone PLEASE answer these questions:

1) I understand Aldridge is a good player, but he is also 30. Why exactly would he be a "perfect fit"? We need a wing scorer and a rim protector. He is neither.

2) Why in Gods Name would we sign and trade for him? If we can just sign him straight up without giving up our assets why sign and trade?
 
Let me make this clear, I will be ecstatic if he signs because we need TALENT. But I do not understand gutting out team when we could just sign him.

just watch the clip below. You were saying?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtsf8S154Cw

Re: Aldridge not high on Spurs, could do a S+T to Boston (rumor)
« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2015, 08:23:31 PM »

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Okay so what about this:

First, Kelly O, ET, 16, 33 (Maybe throw in a future first too) for 6

Rondo TPE for Stephenson
Simultaneous trade:
AB for 9

6: WCS
9: Stanley Johnson
28: Upshaw or Wood
45: Vezenkov

Sign LMA
Sign Wes Matthews

Smart
Stephenson
Johnson
Aldridge
WCS

IT
Matthews
Crowder
Sully
Zeller

Deep Bench: Young, Upshaw or Wood, Vezenkov

As you can tell I'm really high on the 2015 draft as we are keeping 4 picks

Let me know what you think!

Btw If you really think we should sign and trade for Aldridge let me know what you think we could do using the roster I have set!


Why would you use the Rondo TPE to match Stephenson's salary and then send them AB with no salary coming back?  Why wouldn't you just match Stephenson's salary with ABs?

I don't think you can get low enough under the cap to sign both LMA and Matthews.  I think you'll want to do a S&T deal to get them.

I was doing those simultaneous trades because of the rumor Charlotte will give up 9 if someone takes Stevenson

Re: Aldridge not high on Spurs, could do a S+T to Boston (rumor)
« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2015, 08:24:45 PM »

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Okay so what about this:

First, Kelly O, ET, 16, 33 (Maybe throw in a future first too) for 6

Rondo TPE for Stephenson
Simultaneous trade:
AB for 9

6: WCS
9: Stanley Johnson
28: Upshaw or Wood
45: Vezenkov

Sign LMA
Sign Wes Matthews

Smart
Stephenson
Johnson
Aldridge
WCS

IT
Matthews
Crowder
Sully
Zeller

Deep Bench: Young, Upshaw or Wood, Vezenkov

As you can tell I'm really high on the 2015 draft as we are keeping 4 picks

Let me know what you think!

Btw If you really think we should sign and trade for Aldridge let me know what you think we could do using the roster I have set!


Why would you use the Rondo TPE to match Stephenson's salary and then send them AB with no salary coming back?  Why wouldn't you just match Stephenson's salary with ABs?

I don't think you can get low enough under the cap to sign both LMA and Matthews.  I think you'll want to do a S&T deal to get them.

I was doing those simultaneous trades because of the rumor Charlotte will give up 9 if someone takes Stevenson
hahahahahaha

how about this
we keep the TE
Bradley for 9 and Lance

Re: Aldridge not high on Spurs, could do a S+T to Boston (rumor)
« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2015, 08:31:41 PM »

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Okay so what about this:

First, Kelly O, ET, 16, 33 (Maybe throw in a future first too) for 6

Rondo TPE for Stephenson
Simultaneous trade:
AB for 9

6: WCS
9: Stanley Johnson
28: Upshaw or Wood
45: Vezenkov

Sign LMA
Sign Wes Matthews

Smart
Stephenson
Johnson
Aldridge
WCS

IT
Matthews
Crowder
Sully
Zeller

Deep Bench: Young, Upshaw or Wood, Vezenkov

As you can tell I'm really high on the 2015 draft as we are keeping 4 picks

Let me know what you think!

Btw If you really think we should sign and trade for Aldridge let me know what you think we could do using the roster I have set!


Why would you use the Rondo TPE to match Stephenson's salary and then send them AB with no salary coming back?  Why wouldn't you just match Stephenson's salary with ABs?

I don't think you can get low enough under the cap to sign both LMA and Matthews.  I think you'll want to do a S&T deal to get them.

I was doing those simultaneous trades because of the rumor Charlotte will give up 9 if someone takes Stevenson
hahahahahaha

how about this
we keep the TE
Bradley for 9 and Lance

Would they do that?

Re: Aldridge not high on Spurs, could do a S+T to Boston (rumor)
« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2015, 08:32:11 PM »

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Someone PLEASE answer these questions:

1) I understand Aldridge is a good player, but he is also 30. Why exactly would he be a "perfect fit"? We need a wing scorer and a rim protector. He is neither.

2) Why in Gods Name would we sign and trade for him? If we can just sign him straight up without giving up our assets why sign and trade?
 
Let me make this clear, I will be ecstatic if he signs because we need TALENT. But I do not understand gutting out team when we could just sign him.

just watch the clip below. You were saying?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtsf8S154Cw

Excellent game by Aldridge

Re: Aldridge not high on Spurs, could do a S+T to Boston (rumor)
« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2015, 08:34:29 PM »

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Someone PLEASE answer these questions:

1) I understand Aldridge is a good player, but he is also 30. Why exactly would he be a "perfect fit"? We need a wing scorer and a rim protector. He is neither.

2) Why in Gods Name would we sign and trade for him? If we can just sign him straight up without giving up our assets why sign and trade?
 
Let me make this clear, I will be ecstatic if he signs because we need TALENT. But I do not understand gutting out team when we could just sign him.

just watch the clip below. You were saying?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtsf8S154Cw

Aldridge is the real deal. Signing him is a no-brainer!

Re: Aldridge not high on Spurs, could do a S+T to Boston (rumor)
« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2015, 09:46:49 PM »

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He's not comin here.  Neither is love :-\

Re: Aldridge not high on Spurs, could do a S+T to Boston (rumor)
« Reply #43 on: June 09, 2015, 10:29:15 PM »

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Pretty sure we're the only team that, with the s/t route, would still have enough to max Matthews.

I'd trade Portland KO, Turner, Wallace, and #28.  Its not a lot but at least they'd get a couple nice young players and an expiring.  Better than nothing, and with LMA holding all the cards that's exactly the prospect they face.

Then you could trade Sully, AB, #16 for Stevenson and #8
Give Wes his max deal. 
Bring back both Jerebko & Crowder.  Let Bass walk 
Sign Javale McGee to the min.
Use the mid level exception to lure back Paul Pierce.

Smart, IT
Stevenson, Young
Matthews, Crowder
Pierce, Jerebko, #8
LMA, Zeller, McGee

LMA said he does not want to play Center

KG said the same thing when he was younger, but has played lots of center in his 30s.  It would be great for LA's career as he gets older rather than trying to keep up with the faster power forwards and the Draymond Green's of the world.

Re: Aldridge not high on Spurs, could do a S+T to Boston (rumor)
« Reply #44 on: June 09, 2015, 10:31:03 PM »

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2) Why in Gods Name would we sign and trade for him? If we can just sign him straight up without giving up our assets why sign and trade?

If you were planning on using assets to salary dump Gerald Wallace to create cap space to sign a second free agent, it makes sense to offer those same assets to Portland.

Otherwise, doing a sign-and-trade would allow the Celtics to not renounce free agents and traded player exceptions and allow the team to put together a roster with a payroll well above the salary cap instead of being limited to the room exception and minimum contracts to fill out the roster.

A sign-and-trade basically makes sense from the Celtics' perspective, if they only give up a certain amount of assets, but it might not make sense for Portland unless they gain more than the Celtics should be willing to give up.
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