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If we give up AB I would rather keep 16.AB for Lance and 9? I think AB has 10-14 value and Lance's negative value could even us out here.
I believe it's misunderstood and it's lottery first for 9 and Stephenson. So they willing to deal with OKC basically. Very interesting.Westbrook, Stephenson, Durant, Ibaka, KanterFirst 3 off the bench Waiters, PJ3, Adams.
Quote from: BDeCosta26 on June 07, 2015, 12:21:56 AMQuote from: alewilliam789 on June 06, 2015, 10:41:30 PMYou guys are clearly valuing Bradley to high. I'd give up Bradley, Young, and 16 for Stephenson, 9, and a future 2nd rounder.Stephenson is a very good fit for a player like Marcus Smart because he can create off the dribble which is something Smart is developing. Stephenson would be playing the same role as Evan Turner, but is a better/more athletic scorer and is a much better defender considering at his best in Indiana he averaged 4.8 DWS. Consider this, he had a terrible season last season and he still only put up 1 less PPG than Evan Turner. He's also a better 3 point shooter than Evan Turner even though this last year he deteriorated. Let's face it Charlotte's offense is just not good and the stats clearly reflect that. It's isolation basketball and then jack up 3s. I watch them play all the time with league pass. Stephenson is a capable spot shooter, but you need to put him in a position to take the right shots which is obviously not what Charlotte did. You get Stephenson in a Avery Bradley/Evan Turner role and he will thrive. He has shown that he can get to the basket and finish at a good % and that is something we need badly. At worst I see him average 11 PPG, 6 RPG, and 3 APG. At worst. The upside definitely outweighs the downside and at the very very worst we get a very good defender. Either way we have to look at the facts. Brad Stevens has turned players like Evan Turner, Tyler Zeller, and even Jae Crowder into productive role players. With a very talented all around player like Stephenson, Stevens will be ecstatic. We would also add Stanley Johnson making us probably the best defensive 1,2, and 3 combos in the East let alone the NBA. Sign Robin Lopez to a 2 year 6 mil contractPG: Marcus SmartSG: Lance StephensonSF: Stanley JohnsonPF: Jared SullingerC: Robin LopezDude ,your out of your tree. Charlotte has been looking to get rid of Stephenson, and even of he has a higher ceiling (debatable), clearly right now Bradley is the better player.Danny Ainge (or any other competent GM for that matter) would ever give away that much for a 9th pick and a guy no one wants anyway. AB and Young are two of the better trade chips we have on our current roster. And the 16th pick is only 7 spots down from 9. They can probably get the Pistons pick at 8 just be giving up Olynyk, 16 and a future 2nd. Why would we trade our only two SG's for one SG who was so bad last year that his team was looking to give him away mid-season, and a draft pick we still have to use on a wing or a big? That's just crazy. I'd rather trade Bradley to the Jazz for Hood and 12. We're not overvaluing Bradley, your undervaluing him. A lot of teams would love to have AB, who is an elite defender with a capable jump shot on a team-friendly long term contract and is just 24 years old. Id bet at least two or three, if not more, of this years top 10 draftees go on to have a worse career than Bradley.Robin Lopez for 3 mil a year ?!?!?!?! Hahahaha. That's Evan Turner money. Dude is getting double digits per year I'm guessing. Probably something like 4 years- 42 Million.You guys are right about the Lopez thing. I was trying to say 6 mil per year. You think the Celtics can land 8 for Olynyk, 16, and a future 2nd?? That makes you lose all credibility right there. That's that ridiculous overvaluing again. I doubt we could even get a 1st rounder in the 20s for Olynyk straight up. Why would the Pistons willingly trade for a C that can't guard either PF or the C position, is an average 3 point shooter at 34%, and is an average athlete. You seriously can't sit here and tell me that Olynyk is anything but an average player. He has shown nothing that he will be anything more than an above average role player and has made little improvements in between this year and last. Why would they trade down 8 spots for that? I highly doubt that. Bradley's best year has been 14 PPG with no other meaningful stats. Defensively he regressed and averaged about as many DWS as Marcus Smart this year. Well he also played close to a full season, but it is very sad if an upside to his season is that he actually played this season. He cannot create for himself and hasn't shown any major improvements to become better in that front. He is average as a finisher. He's undersized and struggles to cover larger 2s. There is nothing that makes me think that Bradley is the future of our franchise at SG. To add to all that he isn't a good match alongside Marcus Smart because he can't create offense and is about an average 3 point shooter. I'm evaluating Bradley at right about what his price is.
Quote from: alewilliam789 on June 06, 2015, 10:41:30 PMYou guys are clearly valuing Bradley to high. I'd give up Bradley, Young, and 16 for Stephenson, 9, and a future 2nd rounder.Stephenson is a very good fit for a player like Marcus Smart because he can create off the dribble which is something Smart is developing. Stephenson would be playing the same role as Evan Turner, but is a better/more athletic scorer and is a much better defender considering at his best in Indiana he averaged 4.8 DWS. Consider this, he had a terrible season last season and he still only put up 1 less PPG than Evan Turner. He's also a better 3 point shooter than Evan Turner even though this last year he deteriorated. Let's face it Charlotte's offense is just not good and the stats clearly reflect that. It's isolation basketball and then jack up 3s. I watch them play all the time with league pass. Stephenson is a capable spot shooter, but you need to put him in a position to take the right shots which is obviously not what Charlotte did. You get Stephenson in a Avery Bradley/Evan Turner role and he will thrive. He has shown that he can get to the basket and finish at a good % and that is something we need badly. At worst I see him average 11 PPG, 6 RPG, and 3 APG. At worst. The upside definitely outweighs the downside and at the very very worst we get a very good defender. Either way we have to look at the facts. Brad Stevens has turned players like Evan Turner, Tyler Zeller, and even Jae Crowder into productive role players. With a very talented all around player like Stephenson, Stevens will be ecstatic. We would also add Stanley Johnson making us probably the best defensive 1,2, and 3 combos in the East let alone the NBA. Sign Robin Lopez to a 2 year 6 mil contractPG: Marcus SmartSG: Lance StephensonSF: Stanley JohnsonPF: Jared SullingerC: Robin LopezDude ,your out of your tree. Charlotte has been looking to get rid of Stephenson, and even of he has a higher ceiling (debatable), clearly right now Bradley is the better player.Danny Ainge (or any other competent GM for that matter) would ever give away that much for a 9th pick and a guy no one wants anyway. AB and Young are two of the better trade chips we have on our current roster. And the 16th pick is only 7 spots down from 9. They can probably get the Pistons pick at 8 just be giving up Olynyk, 16 and a future 2nd. Why would we trade our only two SG's for one SG who was so bad last year that his team was looking to give him away mid-season, and a draft pick we still have to use on a wing or a big? That's just crazy. I'd rather trade Bradley to the Jazz for Hood and 12. We're not overvaluing Bradley, your undervaluing him. A lot of teams would love to have AB, who is an elite defender with a capable jump shot on a team-friendly long term contract and is just 24 years old. Id bet at least two or three, if not more, of this years top 10 draftees go on to have a worse career than Bradley.Robin Lopez for 3 mil a year ?!?!?!?! Hahahaha. That's Evan Turner money. Dude is getting double digits per year I'm guessing. Probably something like 4 years- 42 Million.
You guys are clearly valuing Bradley to high. I'd give up Bradley, Young, and 16 for Stephenson, 9, and a future 2nd rounder.Stephenson is a very good fit for a player like Marcus Smart because he can create off the dribble which is something Smart is developing. Stephenson would be playing the same role as Evan Turner, but is a better/more athletic scorer and is a much better defender considering at his best in Indiana he averaged 4.8 DWS. Consider this, he had a terrible season last season and he still only put up 1 less PPG than Evan Turner. He's also a better 3 point shooter than Evan Turner even though this last year he deteriorated. Let's face it Charlotte's offense is just not good and the stats clearly reflect that. It's isolation basketball and then jack up 3s. I watch them play all the time with league pass. Stephenson is a capable spot shooter, but you need to put him in a position to take the right shots which is obviously not what Charlotte did. You get Stephenson in a Avery Bradley/Evan Turner role and he will thrive. He has shown that he can get to the basket and finish at a good % and that is something we need badly. At worst I see him average 11 PPG, 6 RPG, and 3 APG. At worst. The upside definitely outweighs the downside and at the very very worst we get a very good defender. Either way we have to look at the facts. Brad Stevens has turned players like Evan Turner, Tyler Zeller, and even Jae Crowder into productive role players. With a very talented all around player like Stephenson, Stevens will be ecstatic. We would also add Stanley Johnson making us probably the best defensive 1,2, and 3 combos in the East let alone the NBA. Sign Robin Lopez to a 2 year 6 mil contractPG: Marcus SmartSG: Lance StephensonSF: Stanley JohnsonPF: Jared SullingerC: Robin Lopez
Quote from: Ilikesports17 on June 06, 2015, 06:07:06 PMIf we give up AB I would rather keep 16.AB for Lance and 9? I think AB has 10-14 value and Lance's negative value could even us out here.Good luck with that. No way that will happen...
Quote from: Geo123 on June 07, 2015, 07:54:44 AMQuote from: Ilikesports17 on June 06, 2015, 06:07:06 PMIf we give up AB I would rather keep 16.AB for Lance and 9? I think AB has 10-14 value and Lance's negative value could even us out here.Good luck with that. No way that will happen...I like how he/she forgot that Lance a season ago was being widely considered an All Star snub, and when he had a bad year on a team he doesn't really fit, he all of a sudden have a trade value of negative. Ha ha ha. Sure, his value dropped, but Avery Bradley NOT is worth more than Lance and a top 10 pick. Lance is miles ahead better than Bradley, and he/she wants Charlotte to give him the 9th pick too just because of one bad year?
Since December, I have advocated a trade. But now he has become virtually untradable. So somehow, in the offseason, Stephenson’s game must be rehabbed. There is still potential to be mined. He and the Hornets are, for the time being, stuck with each other.
Quote from: Csfan1984 on June 07, 2015, 03:10:38 AMI believe it's misunderstood and it's lottery first for 9 and Stephenson. So they willing to deal with OKC basically. Very interesting.Westbrook, Stephenson, Durant, Ibaka, KanterFirst 3 off the bench Waiters, PJ3, Adams.I don't think that would work that well. Stephenson needs the ball to be effective but that's not happening with Westbrook and Durant. They need a good 3 and D guy at SG. I think Bradley would be a much better fit for them.
virtually untradable
Rick Bonnell ?@rick_bonnell 5h5 hours agoInteresting 1st-round guards working out for @hornets Monday: ND's Jerian Grant, Georgia St.'s R.J. Hunter and Kentucky's Aaron Harrison.
What about the following:Young + 28 + 45 for 9Charlotte has no shooters in their young core and was bottom 3 3-point shooting team. They also had a very bad bench and the additional picks might hold more value to them, than to us. We get the 9th to pick SJ or whomever drops to 9 and retain 16 and 33.Lance has a negative value at this point. The fact he is on a very team friendly deal (team option his last year), he has been on the market for a while and neither his team, nor anybody else wants him speaks enough to me. If Lance is included the maximum I'd be willing to give up:Lance + 9 for 16 + 45 with Lance being stretched.
Quote from: krumeto on June 09, 2015, 04:51:51 AMWhat about the following:Young + 28 + 45 for 9Charlotte has no shooters in their young core and was bottom 3 3-point shooting team. They also had a very bad bench and the additional picks might hold more value to them, than to us. We get the 9th to pick SJ or whomever drops to 9 and retain 16 and 33.Lance has a negative value at this point. The fact he is on a very team friendly deal (team option his last year), he has been on the market for a while and neither his team, nor anybody else wants him speaks enough to me. If Lance is included the maximum I'd be willing to give up:Lance + 9 for 16 + 45 with Lance being stretched. I'd much rather keep Young than the 16th pick. Lance would be under contract for 1 year, stretching him would not be the smart option.
