NBA DRAFT PICK TRADE VALUES

[Denis998]

we have picks #16,#28,#33,#45 this year and 4 1st rd picks and 4-2nd rd picks next year and we have players that are playing in the league now not maybe good enough or hopefuls.cant we package picks and players to move up in the draft?like den wants to trade ty lawson and they have 5 free agents we can help them out by saving them money and give them players .bos trades sully and sign and trade pressey and babb plus picks for there pick #7.then trade for sac for pic #6 and cousins for bostons pick 16,28 plus kelly o,ty lawson,plus 2016 picks if needed what do you think about that?

That heavily favors Boston in both trades. If I understand correctly we are giving up Sully, Pressy, Babb, and future firsts in order to get the 7th pick and Lawson. We then give up 7th, 16th, 28th, KO, and Lawson to get the 6th pick and Cousins. I cant see any of those teams accepting that trade.

[mef730]

http://www.tankathon.com/power_rankings

The Celtics rank 6th on that one compared to 5th on the Reddit one.

This is the formula behind the rankings on Tankathon

http://www.82games.com/barzilai1.htm

This chart seems more reasonable but I cant realistically believe that the Kings would swap #6 for all the Cs picks. In this sense I think past trades are a much better indication of value.

TP
In your research have you found any teams that did jump up the draft multiple times in the same draft?

The hardest thing about the "multiple jump" trades is that so many of the trades are done on draft day based on who is left so, by the time you have moved up once, you have missed out on the second jump.  For instance, let's say somebody proposed trading all of our picks to Detroit for #8.  Then, we could package #8 and Avery Bradley to NY for #4.  We're not going to jump to #8 without seeing whose left on the board, nor is Detroit.  And by the time we get to #8, #4 is already gone.  I suppose we could do an "if/then" trade with NY, but that ties too many hands. 

I love all the speculating and hope it continues, but the chance that the Big Move happens outside of draft day is less than 50/50. 

Mike 

[danpc55]

den wants to trade ty lawson they have 4 free agents nelsonpg33making 2.7m,arthur 27making 3.4
two rfa clark 24 making816k,barton 24 making 915k.so pressey 24 can replace nelson 33 saving 1.9msully going to be hurt all the time sully 23 replaces arthur 27 saving them2m.plus giving them picks any combo that will work like i said before 12 picks to use cant sign them all

[danpc55]

when can we start tradeing players what is the date and time?

[Csfan1984]

I always had my own idea on a points chart. With one rule applied no team should trade back more than 6 spots without getting a future unprotected pick in same round back or an established player. It's just very unrealistic without putting some kind of rules in. So with the rules an example is first overall most likely won't get moved for picks that aren't at least as good as 4-7 range starting unless a player is added.

1=1800.    11=816.    21=540.    31= 330. 
2=1400.    12=786.    22=518.    32= 310
3=1300.    13= 756.    23=496.    33= 294
4=1200.    14= 726.    24=474.    34= 278
5=1120.    15= 696.    25=452.    35= 262
6=1040.    16= 670.    26=430.    36= 246
7=990.      17=644.     27=410.    37= 230
8=940.      18= 618.    28=390     38= 214
9=900.      19= 592.    29=370.    39= 193
10=860.     20= 566.    30=350.    40=182
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Below the top 40 future picks can be equal to the pick itself they don't have much value. Ps any team can probably trade a future second for a 2nd this year once they get to below 52.

41=170.    51=60.
42=158.    52=52.
43=146.    53=44.
44=134.    54=36
45=122.    55=28
46=110.    56=20
47=100.    57=16
48=90.      58=14
49=80.      59=12
50=70.      60=10

[BornReady]

draft pick trade values changes with every situation

some teams are willing to depart with their pick for different reasons e.g. save money, like a player below their projected spot, weak draft etc.

[BleedGreen1989]

I always had my own idea on a points chart. With one rule applied no team should trade back more than 6 spots without getting a future unprotected pick in same round back or an established player. It's just very unrealistic without putting some kind of rules in. So with the rules an example is first overall most likely won't get moved for picks that aren't at least as good as 4-7 range starting unless a player is added.

1=1800.    11=816.    21=540.    31= 330. 
2=1400.    12=786.    22=518.    32= 310
3=1300.    13= 756.    23=496.    33= 294
4=1200.    14= 726.    24=474.    34= 278
5=1120.    15= 696.    25=452.    35= 262
6=1040.    16= 670.    26=430.    36= 246
7=990.      17=644.     27=410.    37= 230
8=940.      18= 618.    28=390     38= 214
9=900.      19= 592.    29=370.    39= 193
10=860.     20= 566.    30=350.    40=182
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Below the top 40 future picks can be equal to the pick itself they don't have much value. Ps any team can probably trade a future second for a 2nd this year once they get to below 52.

41=170.    51=60.
42=158.    52=52.
43=146.    53=44.
44=134.    54=36
45=122.    55=28
46=110.    56=20
47=100.    57=16
48=90.      58=14
49=80.      59=12
50=70.      60=10

This is awesome. TP.

[Csfan1984]

If you try the chart and stick with the no trade back beyond 6 spots to start off it seems to work well.

[Csfan1984]

If some use this and say the 6 rule means C's can trade up to 10 and do so by just using 16 and 33 it can't be a good chart. It is unlikely but not necessarily a bad deal for Heat.

Here is what 16 and 33 get you the last few drafts vs 10.

2014 Payton for Nurkic(16) and then your PG choice of Dinwiddle, Clarkson or Russo Smith.

2013 McCollum for Muhammad or Greek freak for SG at 16 and Cann or Muscala.

2012 Rivers for Big of choice Zeller, Jones, Sully and then shooter late Middletown. Or even Green and Crowder were there second round

2011 Fredette(10)/Klay (11) "shooter" for pick pf Vucevic, Harris, Shump, Butler and more guys its nuts how many good guys late then in second get your shooter in Parsons.


So hindsight is 20/20 but there were a bunch of good combinations going by the metric.

[danpc55]

thinking from that chart #16=670&#28=390=1060 which if more than the#6 pick,then #33=294+#45=122=416 which equals #27 pick so it sounds like we have #6&#27 picks sounds good to me

[danpc55]

that still leaves us with 4 -1st rd picks and 4-2nd rd picks for 2016

[danpc55]

what date and time can we start trading?

[Csfan1984]

thinking from that chart #16=670&#28=390=1060 which if more than the#6 pick,then #33=294+#45=122=416 which equals #27 pick so it sounds like we have #6&#27 picks sounds good to me

You're forgetting no team trades down more than 6 rule. Though the points add up sliding past 6 slots is too much a talent gap. So you need to add a unprotected 1st or player like Sully or AB along with 16 and 28 to get #6.
27 for 33 and 45 is OK for 27 based on rule and chart.

[Irish Stew]

Very interesting discussion and attempt to create a formula,but in the end I'm afraid that moving up in the draft in the NBA is more intuitive and situational while moving up in the NFL draft is more formula driven. Since most trade posters on this site only look at a deal from the Celtics perspective, you wind up with proposals like 16 and 28 for 6 instead of maybe 16,28, Celtics 2016 1st, Olynyk. Even the second offer may not be enough, but at least it's worth discussing. It may even be too much for others but it's more in the ballpark. It's tougher in the NBA to trade quantity for quality because of the smaller number of players on a team that determine success so moving up at the top of the draft is hard. The 6 slot trade down rule is a more realistic attempt to create a workable formula.

[tazzmaniac]

If some use this and say the 6 rule means C's can trade up to 10 and do so by just using 16 and 33 it can't be a good chart. It is unlikely but not necessarily a bad deal for Heat.

Here is what 16 and 33 get you the last few drafts vs 10.

2014 Payton for Nurkic(16) and then your PG choice of Dinwiddle, Clarkson or Russo Smith.

2013 McCollum for Muhammad or Greek freak for SG at 16 and Cann or Muscala.

2012 Rivers for Big of choice Zeller, Jones, Sully and then shooter late Middletown. Or even Green and Crowder were there second round

2011 Fredette(10)/Klay (11) "shooter" for pick pf Vucevic, Harris, Shump, Butler and more guys its nuts how many good guys late then in second get your shooter in Parsons.


So hindsight is 20/20 but there were a bunch of good combinations going by the metric.

Even so a team still isn't going to trade the #10 for the #16 and #33.  Even if the team at #10 wants to trade down, you'd need to at least add a future 2nd.  In the case of the Miami #10 pick, I think there would be several teams interested.  So I think it would cost us the #16 and the 2016 Dallas pick.