Knicks want Lyles; Trade-Up Possibility?

[celticmania]

Willie Cauley-Stein is SUPER overrated. I know he is not an offensive guy and that Kentucky had alot of talent but he never dominated. He is one of the most athletic 7 footers on the planet  yet he only managed 6.4 boards and 1.7 blocks on the college level.  I mean make all the excuses for him that you want, but taking him 4th would be a massive mistake.  He has remarkable athletic ability but i keep hearing that he is a great defensive player.  Now a days people see a really good athlete and label him a "defensive player." People have to realize being a great player is much more than athleticism.  Larry bird was a good defender despite physical limitations.  Willie does not strike me as a guy that has the fire, passion or the IQ to be a game changing defensive player.  As for his offense.... forget about that.  I watched almost every Kentucky game last year and I've seen this guy miss layups. I mean the guy is 7 feet tall and is a word class athlete, yet he can't even finish a non-dunk against college players with half of the physical gifts he possesses ?  He isn't good offensively, he isn't a great rebounder, he has a low skill level, he has a relatively low IQ, doesn't play with extreme passion, and is overrated defensively. The only thing is that he is a unbelievable athlete.  I am one of those people who look for athleticism in a prospect, trust me, but you have to take skill level in to account to.  NBA teams have to start taking guys who can actually play basketball, not just really good athletes with "upside"

[jmen788]

Willie Cauley-Stein is SUPER overrated. I know he is not an offensive guy and that Kentucky had alot of talent but he never dominated. He is one of the most athletic 7 footers on the planet  yet he only managed 6.4 boards and 1.7 blocks on the college level.  I mean make all the excuses for him that you want, but taking him 4th would be a massive mistake.  He has remarkable athletic ability but i keep hearing that he is a great defensive player.  Now a days people see a really good athlete and label him a "defensive player." People have to realize being a great player is much more than athleticism.  Larry bird was a good defender despite physical limitations.  Willie does not strike me as a guy that has the fire, passion or the IQ to be a game changing defensive player.  As for his offense.... forget about that.  I watched almost every Kentucky game last year and I've seen this guy miss layups. I mean the guy is 7 feet tall and is a word class athlete, yet he can't even finish a non-dunk against college players with half of the physical gifts he possesses ?  He isn't good offensively, he isn't a great rebounder, he has a low skill level, he has a relatively low IQ, doesn't play with extreme passion, and is overrated defensively. The only thing is that he is a unbelievable athlete.  I am one of those people who look for athleticism in a prospect, trust me, but you have to take skill level in to account to.  NBA teams have to start taking guys who can actually play basketball, not just really good athletes with "upside"

I completely agree. There is something about this guy that just screams bust. I really don't want him. HOWEVER, I'd be VERY pleased with Johnson, Hezonja, or Winslow.

[Greenback]

Lyles is good enough to be the number 1 pick.

[max215]

Hopefully not, #4 is probably the worst pick to trade up to: you're looking at the same quality of players as in the 6-10 range, at an exponentially higher price. The only way I'd want #4 is if DA commits highway robbery to get it.

[CelticsFanFromNYC]

Would Ainge really ask for IT's opinion on free agents if he was going to deal him?   Seems odd to me.  I would ask you if #4 will be a better player than IT?   I think not for a few years and maybe never.

Yes. I love IT, but he is only a super sixth man. We got him for a late first rounder and an expiring contract. The #4 pick should be a solid starter at worst, and an all star at best. If you draft a player that is worse than IT at #4, then you are absolutely blowing that pick. I think our #16 pick will be as good a player as IT.

You buggin!!!  height is only thing keeping him on the bench. No guard in the draft maY possibly be better then IT is  right now. DO YOU REALIZE  HE WAS THE BIGGEST TRADE  STEAL IN YEARS FOR HIS VOLUME SCORING AND CONTRACT??

[Geo123]

Imagine if Knicks picks Lyles at #4 lol. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they did

They wont do that

To Knicks: 16, 33, Zeller, Young , future 1st
To Celtics: 4th, Calderon
 
4th:  WCS, 28th : Mickey

Knicks select

16: Lyles, 33rd: Rozier

Celts lineup

Wcs
Sully
Turner
Ab
Smart

Ko
Mickey
Crowder
Young
IT

And the Knicks won't do that trade either...

[Tr1boy]

Imagine if Knicks picks Lyles at #4 lol. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they did

They wont do that

To Knicks: 16, 33, Zeller, Young , future 1st
To Celtics: 4th, Calderon
 
4th:  WCS, 28th : Mickey

Knicks select

16: Lyles, 33rd: Rozier

Celts lineup

Wcs
Sully
Turner
Ab
Smart

Ko
Mickey
Crowder
Young
IT

And the Knicks won't do that trade either...

it's either draft Mudiay or WCS with the 4th or the package.   Neither Mudiay nor WCS are considered franchise calibre players.  The package is better. Plus they can get Lyles with the 16

[CsBanner18]

Imagine if Knicks picks Lyles at #4 lol. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they did

They wont do that

To Knicks: 16, 33, Zeller, Young , future 1st
To Celtics: 4th, Calderon
 
4th:  WCS, 28th : Mickey

Knicks select

16: Lyles, 33rd: Rozier

Celts lineup

Wcs
Sully
Turner
Ab
Smart

Ko
Mickey
Crowder
Young
IT

Trade AB to Utah for the 12th pick.

To Knicks: 12th & 16th picks, Zeller, Young
To Celtics: 4th pick, Calderon

Use Olynyk and any future pick (1st for Johnson, 2nd for Portis) to trade back into the draft and get either Stanley Johnson (if we draft WCS) or Bobby Portis.


Draft either WCS or Winslow at 4
Draft Robert Upshaw at 28

 
**Sign Tobias Harris if we Draft WCS**

Celtics Lineup w/ WCS:

Smart/IT4
Young/Johnson?
Harris/Crowder
Sully/Portis?
WCS/Upshaw

Celtics Lineup w/ Winslow:

Smart/IT4
Winslow/Young
Crowder/Turner
Sully/Portis
Koufos?/Robert Upshaw

[Future Celtics Owner]

Would Ainge really ask for IT's opinion on free agents if he was going to deal him?   Seems odd to me.  I would ask you if #4 will be a better player than IT?   I think not for a few years and maybe never.

Yes. I love IT, but he is only a super sixth man. We got him for a late first rounder and an expiring contract. The #4 pick should be a solid starter at worst, and an all star at best. If you draft a player that is worse than IT at #4, then you are absolutely blowing that pick. I think our #16 pick will be as good a player as IT.

You buggin!!!  height is only thing keeping him on the bench. No guard in the draft maY possibly be better then IT is  right now. DO YOU REALIZE  HE WAS THE BIGGEST TRADE  STEAL IN YEARS FOR HIS VOLUME SCORING AND CONTRACT??

I completely agree. It has tremendous value and everyone knows it. He would be great for NY.
BTW c fan fromnyc we wee both right about Karl Towns I guess right? Sorry thought I got back to you way long ago.

Also I think Upshaw at 16 would be great for us. Check him out. My ideal situation would be to trade Avery and another player maybe Evan turner for a pick that gets us myles turner. I'd also love to trade ko  for Bruno Caboclo.

[Tr1boy]

The Knicks got unlucky to miss out on the top 3 picks (towns, okafor, russell).   Now need to pray some key FAs will sign with them or start early and trade the 4th for more pieces.

Luckily the Celtics have more than enough assets to get them to listen.  On top of that , they are high on Lyles and I bet also like Portis. Big guys that can shoot

Zeller, Sullinger, Turner, 16th, 33rd, next years 1st.    take 4 or 5 out of these 6 assets for the 4th and a deal could be possible 

I think Danny will take WCS then but who knows, maybe he really likes someone else like Porzingis

[Eja117]

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Sounds like Phil is infatuated with Lyles for his potential fit in the triangle. Many drafts have him at or below 16, so could we possibly trade up with them? Would you do IT, 16, and the Brk 2016 pick for Calderon and 4? This would give them the best AVAILABLE starting point guard this summer, Lyles, and a pick next year. It'd be rough letting IT and that Brooklyn pick go due to its potential, because losing IT hurts our KLove chances. However, I would do it for the chance of nabbing a Russell, Mudiay, Porzingis, or Winslow.

Nope. I wouldn't do that at all.

[loco_91]

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Sounds like Phil is infatuated with Lyles for his potential fit in the triangle. Many drafts have him at or below 16, so could we possibly trade up with them? Would you do IT, 16, and the Brk 2016 pick for Calderon and 4? This would give them the best AVAILABLE starting point guard this summer, Lyles, and a pick next year. It'd be rough letting IT and that Brooklyn pick go due to its potential, because losing IT hurts our KLove chances. However, I would do it for the chance of nabbing a Russell, Mudiay, Porzingis, or Winslow.

If they really want Lyles that bad that would be sweet, but I imagine someone else will outbid us. Or they'll trade their pick next year for him.

[KG Living Legend]

Lyles is good enough to be the number 1 pick.

 I know your not serious. This guy sucks. Phil are you doing Zen tricks cause this is dumb. Lyles is a bum he can't guard anyone he can't jump that's why you can't find his vertical numbers. I smell a rat Phil.

[tazzmaniac]

Imagine if Knicks picks Lyles at #4 lol. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they did

They wont do that

To Knicks: 16, 33, Zeller, Young , future 1st
To Celtics: 4th, Calderon
 
4th:  WCS, 28th : Mickey

Knicks select

16: Lyles, 33rd: Rozier

Celts lineup

Wcs
Sully
Turner
Ab
Smart

Ko
Mickey
Crowder
Young
IT

You have Young included in the trade but still show him as a Celtics backup.  I don't think the Knicks would do this trade.  They may trade down but they'll stay in the top 10.  If they want Lyles, he will probably be gone by 16. 

[jyyzzoel]

I can't believe how much some people overvalue picks.  I don't think a single guy mentioned in the top 10 guys in this draft will be a trans-formative player in the NBA.  There will probably only be 5 6-10 year starters. 

People are talking about a kid who hasn't even played college ball at #4, and maybe he will be great, but look at how awesome Darko was supposed to be.  These players hardly ever pan out.
 
To me trading two established starting caliber players and three first round draft picks for the #4 pick this year seems insane.

100 million percent agree with this.