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Should we offer DA Jordan the max?

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Re: Should we offer DA Jordan the max
« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2015, 10:53:01 PM »

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I'm primarily thinking of guys like Javale McGee, Bismack Biyumbo, Larry Sanders, Tyson Chandler, Kosta Koufus, Alexi Ajinca, Omer Asik, Kyle O'Quinn, and Robin Lopez.

Obviously, if these guys put up the numbers that Jordan does, they would be getting max contracts too, but could we get 90% of Jordan's rebounding and rim protecting production, plus better offense and free throw shooting, for half (or less than half) the price.

I mean Asik could probably be had for 10 million a year, and he would provide about 80-90% of Jordan's production rebounding and rim protection per minute, and about 60% of the finishing inside.

But we could also swing for the fences on Biymbo or O'Quinn (my favorite option and a darling of advanced stats) on a 4 year, 5 million a year "prove it" contract.

I'm not necessarily saying any of these guys are better players, but if I was Ainge, I would be questioning whether or not one of the plethora of FA big men might give us a better deal (and maybe in the end a better player and fit) than Jordan would.

If, however, Ainge felt like Jordan would attract Aldridge or Love this year, then obviously you pay the max for Jordan. But if we cannot get another max player this year. I would probably keep my cap space one more year, swing for the fences on a different big man that fits our needs (O'Quinn, Koufus, Biyumbo, Ajinca, and maybe McGee and Sanders) for the right price.

I like talking about this stuff, but I'm glad I'm not Danny Ainge.
The Asik part is debatable  ::)

I'd love to see us giving Larry Sanders a chance (once he's dealt with his clinical depression)
I really like Biyombo. He's young and athletic, has good potential.
Ajinca: I haven't seen enough of him playing but his stats are legit. It all depends on the price.
The rest of the group, I hardly know enough to comment, but  I like the idea of us going after second tier FAs.

Why the interest in 2nd tier free agents when better players are available?

2nd tier players aren't going to win you a championship.

I'm looking for good value primarily. I don't think that Jordan is good value at 20 million a year. I think his contract would clog our cap and therefore put a ceiling on how good our team can be.

On the other hand, if a first tier player like Aldridge wanted to come, I pay him. I don't pay Jordan because of his limitations. There is a wide difference between Aldridge and Jordan though.

The other thought is that if a second tier guy would give you 80-90% of Jordan's production for half the cost, then you are paying 10 million a year for 10-20% of that production. Is that worth it?

If you can't get Aldridge, I think you have to at least consider the next tier after Jordan, especially if you really think a second Tier guy can be locked into a low contract and develop into something special.

Re: Should we offer DA Jordan the max
« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2015, 11:18:43 PM »

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I say dump the Wallace contract and sign both Aldridge and Jordan to max contracts, and doing a sign and trade for Wes Matthews to absorb him into the Rondo TPE.

Can you imagine both Aldridge and Jordan on this team??!!! Wow!!

That be awesome!

With a starting lineup of Smart/ Bradly / Wes / LA / DJ; we would have one of the best defensive starting lineups in the NBA. As for our bench of IT / Turner / Crowder / Sully / Zeller; we would have the best overall bench in the NBA (mainly on the offensive side).
Is it a long shot that we land both LA and DJ? Yes, but I think that if we land one of them the chance of getting the second player goes way up.

Re: Should we offer DA Jordan the max
« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2015, 11:42:03 PM »

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Theoretical question....what if offering the max lands you Jordan - and guarantees you'll never win a title with him being the best player? 

You have zero hope of getting him without offering a max deal.  But teams where the star can't make FT's late in games generally don't win titles because so many games get decided late - especially against the good teams.

Shaq is the only one I can remember who couldn't make FT's and it didn't matter. 

Re: Should we offer DA Jordan the max
« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2015, 11:46:50 PM »

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I say dump the Wallace contract and sign both Aldridge and Jordan to max contracts, and doing a sign and trade for Wes Matthews to absorb him into the Rondo TPE.

Can you imagine both Aldridge and Jordan on this team??!!! Wow!!

That be awesome!

With a starting lineup of Smart/ Bradly / Wes / LA / DJ; we would have one of the best defensive starting lineups in the NBA. As for our bench of IT / Turner / Crowder / Sully / Zeller; we would have the best overall bench in the NBA (mainly on the offensive side).
Is it a long shot that we land both LA and DJ? Yes, but I think that if we land one of them the chance of getting the second player goes way up.
I don't want to spoil the party, but Aldridge is not exactly an elite defender.  ::)
Also, your roster will have some salary cap issues.

Re: Should we offer DA Jordan the max
« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2015, 12:07:18 AM »

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I say dump the Wallace contract and sign both Aldridge and Jordan to max contracts, and doing a sign and trade for Wes Matthews to absorb him into the Rondo TPE.

Can you imagine both Aldridge and Jordan on this team??!!! Wow!!

That be awesome!

With a starting lineup of Smart/ Bradly / Wes / LA / DJ; we would have one of the best defensive starting lineups in the NBA. As for our bench of IT / Turner / Crowder / Sully / Zeller; we would have the best overall bench in the NBA (mainly on the offensive side).
Is it a long shot that we land both LA and DJ? Yes, but I think that if we land one of them the chance of getting the second player goes way up.
I don't want to spoil the party, but Aldridge is not exactly an elite defender.  ::)
Also, your roster will have some salary cap issues.
Indeed LA isn't quite a good defender but I feel the other four players would make up for the slack. As for the salary cap issues that is quite possible actually, I factored in the max for them would be around 18 million each, however upon further review, I think the max for them would be around 20 million. With them we might be over the cap by a few million,factoring in if we trade Wallace to Philly. Another issue would be the resigning of Crowder and who knows how much money he will sign for. I'm not too sure how TPE's work to the dot but I think that a TPE would let us go over the cap to take on a player such as Wes with a sign and trade. There is a possibility of going over the cap using his bird rights if we do get him through a sign and trade. I might be completely wrong though, just an idea in my head.

Re: Should we offer DA Jordan the max
« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2015, 11:32:41 AM »

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The TPEs won't help, once we have cap space they go away. The way we could go over is sign FAs and make trades and get right up to the cap and then match what ever offer Crowder gets or sign him to a deal we agree on.

Re: Should we offer DA Jordan the max
« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2015, 11:45:29 AM »

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Yes we should.  He'd be way more impactful than a maxed out Middleton or Carrol.
He balances perfectly what we already have, bigs who are high on skill, low on athleticism and poor rim protectors.

Re: Should we offer DA Jordan the max
« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2015, 08:01:05 PM »

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Re: Should we offer DA Jordan the max
« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2015, 08:02:40 PM »

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we will offer the max but he will stay in LA.

Re: Should we offer DA Jordan the max
« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2015, 08:10:49 PM »

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Rather have Marc Gasol for the kind of money it take to get Jordan

Re: Should we offer DA Jordan the max
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2015, 08:18:10 PM »

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Yes, but not sure he'd pick Boston unless DA swung some deals to bring it some quality players to the Celts

Re: Should we offer DA Jordan the max
« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2015, 08:19:59 PM »

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yes but i think he would choose clippers, mavs and knicks over us 

also i dont like the idea of offering the max to a guy that isnt offensive minded as that our biggest need to take us to the next level 

as well as his inability to knock down FT so chances are we wont be playing him a whole lot in the 4th quarter (which u want when u pay a guy max $$$)
Shaq was a different case as he was a dominant scorer so u can argue that the benefit of playing him in the 4th outweighed not playing him

though he does solve our rim protecting and rebounding woes very well

Re: Should we offer DA Jordan the max
« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2015, 08:37:35 PM »

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I like the fact that he's a good rebounder and protects the paint. But is that really worth a max contract? He's virtually useless on one side of the court. And we won't even mention his free throw issues. I think we'd be better off spending that money on several quality players who could help across the board.

Re: Should we offer DA Jordan the max
« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2015, 08:43:54 PM »

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100 million for a guy who can't make two with a pencil.  I don't think we have the shooters for him to thrive off of.  I say no.   For that price he should score 20 PPG

Re: Should we offer DA Jordan the max
« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2015, 08:45:00 PM »

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No.  After he cant out jump players he wont be much of a player