Should we offer DA Jordan the max

[Denis998]

I say dump the Wallace contract and sign both Aldridge and Jordan to max contracts, and doing a sign and trade for Wes Matthews to absorb him into the Rondo TPE.

[JohnBoy65]

To be honest, he's a MUCH better Kendrick Perkins, and everyone loved Perk. People should want DJ.

[byennie]

I'd say the closest thing to that would be either Hassan Whiteside or Nerlens Noel - if you can drag either of them over, they might be able to give you some of what Jordan does at a much lower price.   

I'd probably prefer that to be honest, because as much as we need DeAndre's skills, it's a lot of money to pay for a guy who is (for all intents and purposes) just a really, really, really good role player. 

If we could add a guy like Noel or Whiteside at center, then we could use free agency to chase some of the more talented offensive PF's (Monroe, Aldridge, Milsap) which I think would be better use of that cap space.

Neither of those guys is available, so how exactly does that work out?

[Ilikesports17]

This might be a moneyball type of question, but could we get DJ's production for a cheaper price (less than 20 million a year)?

I mean, we do not have a big playoff-type presence inside right now, and we need one to be a championship team. But could we get a big presence for half the price? Could we get his rim protection (both BPG and OFG% at the rim) for a cheaper price? Could we get his rebounding rate for a cheaper rate?

We've definitely got to consider him, considering the price, athleticism, and obvious way he fills our needs, but if we make a mistake on the wrong guy at this point in the rebuild, then we will have no money to spend on go-to franchise players who put us over the top.

I'm not saying no. I'm just nervous because of his obvious deficiencies.

I need an example of who you're thinking.

Joakim Noah would probably be the closest thing. A good rebounder and defender. Doesnt have the youth or athleticism of Jordan but Id say they are similar threats on offense.

If his stats last year are anything to go off, not even close.

Noah only averaged 1.3 blocks per 36 this season (not that far above Bass, Sully and Olynyk) and last time I checked his rim protection stats (points and FG% allowed at the rim) also ranked up about on part with Sully and Olynyk.

Noah's defense is not what it once was - not sure if it's due to injury (and hence will improve) or if he's just lost a step somewhere along the line, but he is definately no replacement for DeAndre Jordan.

I'd say the closest thing to that would be either Hassan Whiteside or Nerlens Noel - if you can drag either of them over, they might be able to give you some of what Jordan does at a much lower price.   

I'd probably prefer that to be honest, because as much as we need DeAndre's skills, it's a lot of money to pay for a guy who is (for all intents and purposes) just a really, really, really good role player. 

If we could add a guy like Noel or Whiteside at center, then we could use free agency to chase some of the more talented offensive PF's (Monroe, Aldridge, Milsap) which I think would be better use of that cap space.

Adding either Monroe / Aldridge / Milsap along with either Noel / Whiteside would dramatically improve this team IMO.

Needless to say you can throw Demarcus Cousins in that mix, though I didn't bother because I'm pretty sure our chance of getting him is miniscule lol

Noel and WCS would be better defenders and similar on offese (but not targets in for hack-a-[fillin name]) However, neither rebound half as well and both would probably cost far more in terms of asset value than the 1 mil it would cost to get Deandre.

Ive never been a huge Whiteside fan, and I do not think you would get him for cheap, but hed probably be the a bit cheaper to get than Deandre or Noel or WCS. Basically, hes not on the block for Miami so youd have to really overpay.

I think you are overreacting to Noah's demise.

He had a terrible year this year but he still got 10 rpg and roughly a steal and a block per game. I think a healthy Noah gives the defence Deandre gives you along with a little less rebounding and a lot more toughness and he is a very good passer on top of that. Plus there are rumors that he could be had for basically free (hes an expiring)

If you can add Noah for free and tell him to rest up all summer I think you could get 12 points 11 boards and really good defence. With Deandre  you probably get 15 points, 13 boards and really good defence.

I like the whiteside pick better but I do hold firm that Noah gives you a similar skillset for a cheaper price.

[Vermont Green]

To be honest, he's a MUCH better Kendrick Perkins, and everyone loved Perk. People should want DJ.

I agree that Jordan is better than Perk  but by how much really?  And Perk would have been grossly overpaid as a Max contract.  I don't see all that much is Jordan.  Let someone else overpay.  We don't need to rush to overpay a player.  There is always the opportunity to do that.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I'm primarily thinking of guys like Javale McGee, Bismack Biyumbo, Larry Sanders, Tyson Chandler, Kosta Koufus, Alexi Ajinca, Omer Asik, Kyle O'Quinn, and Robin Lopez.

Obviously, if these guys put up the numbers that Jordan does, they would be getting max contracts too, but could we get 90% of Jordan's rebounding and rim protecting production, plus better offense and free throw shooting, for half (or less than half) the price.

I mean Asik could probably be had for 10 million a year, and he would provide about 80-90% of Jordan's production rebounding and rim protection per minute, and about 60% of the finishing inside.

But we could also swing for the fences on Biymbo or O'Quinn (my favorite option and a darling of advanced stats) on a 4 year, 5 million a year "prove it" contract.

I'm not necessarily saying any of these guys are better players, but if I was Ainge, I would be questioning whether or not one of the plethora of FA big men might give us a better deal (and maybe in the end a better player and fit) than Jordan would.

If, however, Ainge felt like Jordan would attract Aldridge or Love this year, then obviously you pay the max for Jordan. But if we cannot get another max player this year. I would probably keep my cap space one more year, swing for the fences on a different big man that fits our needs (O'Quinn, Koufus, Biyumbo, Ajinca, and maybe McGee and Sanders) for the right price.

I like talking about this stuff, but I'm glad I'm not Danny Ainge.

[Ilikesports17]

I'm primarily thinking of guys like Javale McGee, Bismack Biyumbo, Larry Sanders, Tyson Chandler, Kosta Koufus, Alexi Ajinca, Omer Asik, Kyle O'Quinn, and Robin Lopez.

Obviously, if these guys put up the numbers that Jordan does, they would be getting max contracts too, but could we get 90% of Jordan's rebounding and rim protecting production, plus better offense and free throw shooting, for half (or less than half) the price.

I mean Asik could probably be had for 10 million a year, and he would provide about 80-90% of Jordan's production rebounding and rim protection per minute, and about 60% of the finishing inside.

But we could also swing for the fences on Biymbo or O'Quinn (my favorite option and a darling of advanced stats) on a 4 year, 5 million a year "prove it" contract.

I'm not necessarily saying any of these guys are better players, but if I was Ainge, I would be questioning whether or not one of the plethora of FA big men might give us a better deal (and maybe in the end a better player and fit) than Jordan would.

If, however, Ainge felt like Jordan would attract Aldridge or Love this year, then obviously you pay the max for Jordan. But if we cannot get another max player this year. I would probably keep my cap space one more year, swing for the fences on a different big man that fits our needs (O'Quinn, Koufus, Biyumbo, Ajinca, and maybe McGee and Sanders) for the right price.

I like talking about this stuff, but I'm glad I'm not Danny Ainge.

Robin Lopez is my favorite out of this group

[greece66]

I'm primarily thinking of guys like Javale McGee, Bismack Biyumbo, Larry Sanders, Tyson Chandler, Kosta Koufus, Alexi Ajinca, Omer Asik, Kyle O'Quinn, and Robin Lopez.

Obviously, if these guys put up the numbers that Jordan does, they would be getting max contracts too, but could we get 90% of Jordan's rebounding and rim protecting production, plus better offense and free throw shooting, for half (or less than half) the price.

I mean Asik could probably be had for 10 million a year, and he would provide about 80-90% of Jordan's production rebounding and rim protection per minute, and about 60% of the finishing inside.

But we could also swing for the fences on Biymbo or O'Quinn (my favorite option and a darling of advanced stats) on a 4 year, 5 million a year "prove it" contract.

I'm not necessarily saying any of these guys are better players, but if I was Ainge, I would be questioning whether or not one of the plethora of FA big men might give us a better deal (and maybe in the end a better player and fit) than Jordan would.

If, however, Ainge felt like Jordan would attract Aldridge or Love this year, then obviously you pay the max for Jordan. But if we cannot get another max player this year. I would probably keep my cap space one more year, swing for the fences on a different big man that fits our needs (O'Quinn, Koufus, Biyumbo, Ajinca, and maybe McGee and Sanders) for the right price.

I like talking about this stuff, but I'm glad I'm not Danny Ainge.

The Asik part is debatable 

I'd love to see us giving Larry Sanders a chance (once he's dealt with his clinical depression)
I really like Biyombo. He's young and athletic, has good potential.
Ajinca: I haven't seen enough of him playing but his stats are legit. It all depends on the price.
The rest of the group, I hardly know enough to comment, but  I like the idea of us going after second tier FAs.

[gpap]

I'm primarily thinking of guys like Javale McGee, Bismack Biyumbo, Larry Sanders, Tyson Chandler, Kosta Koufus, Alexi Ajinca, Omer Asik, Kyle O'Quinn, and Robin Lopez.

Obviously, if these guys put up the numbers that Jordan does, they would be getting max contracts too, but could we get 90% of Jordan's rebounding and rim protecting production, plus better offense and free throw shooting, for half (or less than half) the price.

I mean Asik could probably be had for 10 million a year, and he would provide about 80-90% of Jordan's production rebounding and rim protection per minute, and about 60% of the finishing inside.

But we could also swing for the fences on Biymbo or O'Quinn (my favorite option and a darling of advanced stats) on a 4 year, 5 million a year "prove it" contract.

I'm not necessarily saying any of these guys are better players, but if I was Ainge, I would be questioning whether or not one of the plethora of FA big men might give us a better deal (and maybe in the end a better player and fit) than Jordan would.

If, however, Ainge felt like Jordan would attract Aldridge or Love this year, then obviously you pay the max for Jordan. But if we cannot get another max player this year. I would probably keep my cap space one more year, swing for the fences on a different big man that fits our needs (O'Quinn, Koufus, Biyumbo, Ajinca, and maybe McGee and Sanders) for the right price.

I like talking about this stuff, but I'm glad I'm not Danny Ainge.

The Asik part is debatable 

I'd love to see us giving Larry Sanders a chance (once he's dealt with his clinical depression)
I really like Biyombo. He's young and athletic, has good potential.
Ajinca: I haven't seen enough of him playing but his stats are legit. It all depends on the price.
The rest of the group, I hardly know enough to comment, but  I like the idea of us going after second tier FAs.

Why the interest in 2nd tier free agents when better players are available?

2nd tier players aren't going to win you a championship.

[gpap]

To be honest, he's a MUCH better Kendrick Perkins, and everyone loved Perk. People should want DJ.

I agree that Jordan is better than Perk  but by how much really?  And Perk would have been grossly overpaid as a Max contract.  I don't see all that much is Jordan.  Let someone else overpay.  We don't need to rush to overpay a player.  There is always the opportunity to do that.

Nah, we should just continue to suck.

[gpap]

I say dump the Wallace contract and sign both Aldridge and Jordan to max contracts, and doing a sign and trade for Wes Matthews to absorb him into the Rondo TPE.

Can you imagine both Aldridge and Jordan on this team??!!! Wow!!

That be awesome!

[gpap]

No,

He shoots under 50% for the FT line and cannot be relied upon at the end of the game.  I would offer him 3/4th of a max contract because Jordan will not be in the game in the 4th bc teams will just hack him.

There is a reason why the Clippers are not that good, Griffin and Jordan are overrated.

Then again, its not a big deal to offer him the max.  Jordan will get offered the max by many teams.  I doubt the Celtics are 1st on his list.

I like guys who can shoot FTs.

Jordan has no real "shot" either.  I wonder how much of his game is really just dunking.

Lol.....No, Jordan and especially Griffin are NOT overrated.

[LooseCannon]

I mean Asik could probably be had for 10 million a year, and he would provide about 80-90% of Jordan's production rebounding and rim protection per minute, and about 60% of the finishing inside.

I'd say that Asik can provide about 100% of Jordan's rebounding and defense per minute.  He's not as good at catching the ball and dunking it, but he is a better free throw shooter and passer.  I think Asik will be better than Jordan in a defensive scheme that relies more heavily on having solid fundamentals and precise execution of techniques.  Jordan may be better at finishing a transition possession, but Asik will be better at starting one.

[chambers]

hell yes!
Danny will ring him first. He loves him.
This is the guy he tried to get for Doc Rivers!

Two funny points that people often forget.
1) Danny wanted James Harden in return for Kendrick Perkins, and the initial Perkins deal was based around getting back The Beard. Can you imagine?

2) Danny tried to get DeAndre in the blow up trade when we moved Pierce, KG and Doc. I think the idea was to send KG and Doc to the Clips because CP3 wanted KG there badly, but it was Doc who insisted that the Clippers keep DJ.

Imagine if he'd pulled off those two moves and we had Harden and DJ. Can't fault him for trying.

[loco_91]

Yeah, I don't know why you would vote no. We're talking about a game-changer on defense and on the boards, who is an elite role player offensively. FT's are a weakness, but that isn't the kind of weakness that makes you not offer a max contract.