Draft Day Nightmare Picks!

[indeedproceed]

porzingas-just don't get it skinny with narrow shoulders,they will bust him in two-complete waste of pick-i have watched as many clips as i can find-no no no

There are just too many people out there who are too high on him for me to buy that he's a probable bust. If we moved serious assets to go get him, I'd be on board.

[Beat LA]

my nightmare would be Kaminsky or Kevin Looney...I dunno why but I see Ainge taking Looney a player with no real position that is just going to be a role player in the league if make it at all.

I want Ainge to swing for the fences and he rarely does that.

The year I wanted DeAndre, we took Giddens.

The year I wanted PJIII we take Melo.

The year I wanted Giannis we take Olynyk.

Now I'm not right all the time (no one is), but if you're not in the top 10. SWING SWING SWING. I'm sick of safe picks, lets swing for the fences.

If Upshaw is available later get him.

Isn't it scary that he thought that those guys, especially the first two, were safe picks? Wow.  If he wanted to gp down that route, and for the record I looked at Deandre Jordan as such (because I thought that he could have at least helped us with his size, speed, and athleticism), why not Mario Chalmers, or even CDR?  I also don't understand the logic of taking Giddens, only to buy Bill Walker in the second round from the Wizards, which I thought was a good idea because of his lottery talent, and he did have his moments with the Knicks as a dependable reserve.

I didn't understand the Melo pick at all, and not only because Tony Wroten was still on the board.  After we didn't take Stephenson in 2010, I thought that Wroten could be similarly serviceable for us off the bench, given his size, skills, and versatility, but whatever.  Sigh.

TP for the bit about Looney, as well, btw.  Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised to see Ainge take him, given his love of tweener's and undersized power forwards. *facepalm* I don't see the appeal there, either, and I agree - we have got to swing for the fences.  Not 'Gerald Green is T-Mac because he's a great athlete with the same size, who can shoot' kind of swing, but still swing.  We don't even have a star right now, and there's a lot of talent in this year's draft.  Unfortunately, I just don't see Ainge taking any of it.

[Celtics18]

I like the fact that Hezonja's already got a sizable "Hate Club."  To me that means that he must be the real deal. 

[Beat LA]

Good thread indeed!

Absolute nightmare pick to me is trading up for Mario Hezonja. The kid has all the talent in the world but has done nothing to show it on court so far and has the "I am the world greatest" no-respect mentality I hate. Once he said to an older Croatian teammate "How dare you wear the same sneakers as me". This kid is born a Laker.

Other than him, I really have nobody in this draft I do not want. I'd be disappointed if we trade up and take Oubre, but not a lot.

Last year my nightmare pick was James Young. I don't like no D players and his effort on that end was just hilariously bad. Everybody said how great he played in the final game. I thought he was completely abused on D. Not knowing anything about the Celtics at draft night did not help his cause. Anyway, I hope the kid works hard, grows up and becomes a good player.

I wanted Young, but it was a tough choice between him and Rodney Hood, as I feared that that could come back to haunt us, and just think - we could have gotten him and a 1st rounder this year for AB, thereby correcting a possible error, but nooooo.  Ugh.  I really wished that he would have traded for another pick or two last year in exchange for Jeff Green so that we could have gotten KJ McDaniels, as well, but once again, nope.  Sigh. 

Just out of curiosity, who did you want at that spot?

[Yoki_IsTheName]

If it comes down to Kaminsky or Upshaw at #16, give me Kaminsky, please.

You're good dream scenario is my nightmare scenario. I don't think we need another Kelly Olynyk in our team. We need rim protection and that's Upshaw's forte.

Why must you do this to me, Roy? 

[Evantime34]

If it comes down to Kaminsky or Upshaw at #16, give me Kaminsky, please.

You're good dream scenario is my nightmare scenario. I don't think we need another Kelly Olynyk in our team. We need rim protection and that's Upshaw's forte.

Why must you do this to me, Roy? 

If it comes down to Upshaw or Kaminsky, then I think it's time to add more names to the list of potential picks.

[CFAN38]

Sam Dekker.
This guy has been simply sad at the combine. Did anyone see his jumping?  Haha.
He's going to be an absolute bum in the NBA in my opinion.

Sam Dekker 6'7.75" with out shoes: max vertical reach 11'-8.5"

Harrison Barnes 6'7 with out shoes: max vertical reach 11'-9"

Otto Porter 6'7.5" with out shoes: max vertical reach 11'-9.5"

Luol Deng 6'7" with out shoes: max vertical reach 11'-8"

Chandler Parson 6'8.75" with out shoes: max vertical reach 11'-4"

Trevor Ariza 6'7" with out shoes: max vertical reach 11'-7.5"

Shane Battier 6'8.25" with out shoes: max vertical reach 11'-6"

Mike Dunleavy 6'8 with out shoes: max vertical reach 11'-3"

Luigi Datome 6'7.5" with out shoes: max vertical reach 11'-3"

Dekker may not be an elite NBA athlete but on the court he will not be over matched athletically. Looking at the Max vertical reaches of all these small forwards shows that Dekker is very comparable. This is by no way a reason to think he will be a start or even a starter in the NBA but it does show that he is athletically on par with other 6'7-6'9 SF in the league.

I personally think he would be a solid pick at #16. He lacks a super high ceiling but has a rather complete skill set and will be NBA ready.

[Beat LA]

Now my nightmare: his name is Mario Hezonja.
Check out his stats. I mean take a serious, good look: he hardly has playing experience (16.5 mpg this year, but well below 10 mpg the previous two seasons), he averages 7.7 ppg and is 20 yo. He also has attitude issues.
Does this look like //the player who could very well end up being the best scorer in this draft//?(Kevin O'Konnor). Is this guy a top 5 or even a top 10 pick?

The reason behind the whole Hezinsanity is that he plays for Barcelona which has in the past sent several good players to the NBA. He also had a very good performance with Croatia at FIBA's under 16 European championship in 2011. And here's where the Pau Gasol associations kick in (oh he plays for Barca, he is the star of his national team, he must be the new Euro-star player).
Not gonna happen. IMO his ceiling is lower than James Young's and the C's should stay away from this guy.

(If you want to understand more my feelings, just take a look at Vezenkov, who is taller, younger, much more experienced and a proven scorer- yet he is projected to be a second rounder just because his team, Ares Salonica, is not well known abroad- same story as Antetokounmpo- I see underrated draft prospect written all over this kid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandar_Vezenkov).

In the photo, me waking up in the middle of the night after a nightmare that we traded up to draft Hezonja.

TP for the info there, as far as teams are concerned, so I'm going to rely on you for international scouting, lol . That can't be the thought process that leads teams to take these guys, can it?  Please tell me that that is not the case .

[indeedproceed]

Sam Dekker.
This guy has been simply sad at the combine. Did anyone see his jumping?  Haha.
He's going to be an absolute bum in the NBA in my opinion.

Sam Dekker 6'7.75" with out shoes: max vertical reach 11'-8.5"

Harrison Barnes 6'7 with out shoes: max vertical reach 11'-9"

Otto Porter 6'7.5" with out shoes: max vertical reach 11'-9.5"

Luol Deng 6'7" with out shoes: max vertical reach 11'-8"

Chandler Parson 6'8.75" with out shoes: max vertical reach 11'-4"

Trevor Ariza 6'7" with out shoes: max vertical reach 11'-7.5"

Shane Battier 6'8.25" with out shoes: max vertical reach 11'-6"

Mike Dunleavy 6'8 with out shoes: max vertical reach 11'-3"

Luigi Datome 6'7.5" with out shoes: max vertical reach 11'-3"

Dekker may not be an elite NBA athlete but on the court he will not be over matched athletically. Looking at the Max vertical reaches of all these small forwards shows that Dekker is very comparable. This is by no way a reason to think he will be a start or even a starter in the NBA but it does show that he is athletically on par with other 6'7-6'9 SF in the league.

I personally think he would be a solid pick at #16. He lacks a super high ceiling but has a rather complete skill set and will be NBA ready.

Hes got quick feet too. Something like 6th best in the shuttle drill or something

[Beat LA]

Btw, I'm not saying that he'll be terrible or anything (or maybe he will be, lol ), but what's Oubre's appeal, you know, wingspan aside?

With Oubre it's his shooting stroke, passing and creative ways he finds to finish at the rim. When looking at prospects, skill should hold leverage over sheer strength as the player can be viewed as some who will get results when athletecism declines. Someone like Stanley Johnson for example, who can stuggle finishing against college players, may find it harder to bulldoze in shots on bigger NBA bodies, but Oubre has shown that he has a knack for shooting the ball at a good angle in such instances.

Looks like he'll be well off the board by 16.  The heat are reportedly very interested in him.  I get the part about taking skill over athleticism, btw, so you don't have to worry about that argument, haha . The only highlights I've seen of him didn't show anything, imo, but perhaps I'm digging in the wrong place .  Any suggestions?

[BitterJim]

Good thread indeed!

Absolute nightmare pick to me is trading up for Mario Hezonja. The kid has all the talent in the world but has done nothing to show it on court so far and has the "I am the world greatest" no-respect mentality I hate. Once he said to an older Croatian teammate "How dare you wear the same sneakers as me". This kid is born a Laker.

Other than him, I really have nobody in this draft I do not want. I'd be disappointed if we trade up and take Oubre, but not a lot.

Last year my nightmare pick was James Young. I don't like no D players and his effort on that end was just hilariously bad. Everybody said how great he played in the final game. I thought he was completely abused on D. Not knowing anything about the Celtics at draft night did not help his cause. Anyway, I hope the kid works hard, grows up and becomes a good player.

I wanted Young, but it was a tough choice between him and Rodney Hood, as I feared that that could come back to haunt us, and just think - we could have gotten him and a 1st rounder this year for AB, thereby correcting a possible error, but nooooo.  Ugh.  I really wished that he would have traded for another pick or two last year in exchange for Jeff Green so that we could have gotten KJ McDaniels, as well, but once again, nope.  Sigh. 

Just out of curiosity, who did you want at that spot?

Says who?  I hope you're not taking Zach Lowe's post-trade deadline speculation of possible draft day trades as actual offers that were made.  The only offers for AB I heard about were late firsts, not late lottery and a good young player

[greece66]

I like the fact that Hezonja's already got a sizable "Hate Club."  To me that means that he must be the real deal.

Lebron James has a hate club.

Michael Jordan has a hate club.

Kobe Bryant has a hate club. 

Hezonja is a 20 yo bench player in a team that was eliminated in the quarter finals. 

[PhoSita]

porzingas-just don't get it skinny with narrow shoulders,they will bust him in two-complete waste of pick-i have watched as many clips as i can find-no no no

There are just too many people out there who are too high on him for me to buy that he's a probable bust. If we moved serious assets to go get him, I'd be on board.

That's how I feel about Turner, I guess.  He fails the eye test for me, but so many people are high on him that I assume I must be wrong.

On the other hand, I talked myself into Aaron Gordon last year on the same rationale -- if the Celtics love him so much so high in the draft, he must be worth it! -- and so far he's done more to affirm the doubts about him than he has for the optimism.

[Evantime34]

porzingas-just don't get it skinny with narrow shoulders,they will bust him in two-complete waste of pick-i have watched as many clips as i can find-no no no

There are just too many people out there who are too high on him for me to buy that he's a probable bust. If we moved serious assets to go get him, I'd be on board.

That's how I feel about Turner, I guess.  He fails the eye test for me, but so many people are high on him that I assume I must be wrong.

On the other hand, I talked myself into Aaron Gordon last year on the same rationale -- if the Celtics love him so much so high in the draft, he must be worth it! -- and so far he's done more to affirm the doubts about him than he has for the optimism.

It's hard because both those guys are big potential players, who will take a while. We probably won't know on Gordon and Turner until the end of their respective rookie contracts.

[Beat LA]

Good thread indeed!

Absolute nightmare pick to me is trading up for Mario Hezonja. The kid has all the talent in the world but has done nothing to show it on court so far and has the "I am the world greatest" no-respect mentality I hate. Once he said to an older Croatian teammate "How dare you wear the same sneakers as me". This kid is born a Laker.

Other than him, I really have nobody in this draft I do not want. I'd be disappointed if we trade up and take Oubre, but not a lot.

Last year my nightmare pick was James Young. I don't like no D players and his effort on that end was just hilariously bad. Everybody said how great he played in the final game. I thought he was completely abused on D. Not knowing anything about the Celtics at draft night did not help his cause. Anyway, I hope the kid works hard, grows up and becomes a good player.

I wanted Young, but it was a tough choice between him and Rodney Hood, as I feared that that could come back to haunt us, and just think - we could have gotten him and a 1st rounder this year for AB, thereby correcting a possible error, but nooooo.  Ugh.  I really wished that he would have traded for another pick or two last year in exchange for Jeff Green so that we could have gotten KJ McDaniels, as well, but once again, nope.  Sigh. 

Just out of curiosity, who did you want at that spot?

Says who?  I hope you're not taking Zach Lowe's post-trade deadline speculation of possible draft day trades as actual offers that were made.  The only offers for AB I heard about were late firsts, not late lottery and a good young player

While I realize that, it's been mentioned on here a few times, and besides, what's wrong with getting a late first and Rodney Hood for AB?  Apparently, Hood could have been included in such a deal because he had yet to get enough playing time to show his skills, so his value was low at the time (no pun intended, lol ).  An injury or two later, however, and he, not surprisingly, blossoms.  Doh!