Question: EXACTLY how much cap space do Cs have this summer?

[gpap]

If someone could answer this, I'd appreciate it.

I seem to be hearing different amounts from 20 mil to 27 mil.

[BudweiserCeltic]

If someone could answer this, I'd appreciate it.

I seem to be hearing different amounts from 20 mil to 27 mil.

Without much maneuvering (example, trading or stretching Wallace) we should be able to manufacture about $30-$33 million and that includes cap holds on 1st round picks. And it also includes cap hold on Jae Crowder, which is a given it's going to happen.

I'm also working on the assumption of a projected cap of about $67 million.

With Wallace: $22,934,306 or so.
Without Wallace: $33,040,161 or so.
Stretching Wallace: $29,671,543 or so.

[CelticGuardian]

Salary cap for this season was 63 millon, Boston has 40 million in the books for next year. So about 23 million, give or take. This is per HoopsHype and RealGM.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/salary_cap

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/boston.htm

[gpap]

If someone could answer this, I'd appreciate it.

I seem to be hearing different amounts from 20 mil to 27 mil.

Without much maneuvering (example, trading or stretching Wallace) we should be able to manufacture about $30-$33 million and that includes cap holds on 1st round picks. And it also includes cap hold on Jae Crowder, which is a given it's going to happen.

I'm also working on the assumption of a projected cap of about $67 million.

With Wallace: $22,934,306 or so.
Without Wallace: $33,040,161 or so.
Stretching Wallace: $29,671,543 or so.

Thanks. Man if we can somehow give Wallace the boot, it be great to have in the area of 30 million in cap space.

[greece66]

Forsberg just wrote a piece on this subject

Bottomline:

//When exactly was the most recent time the Celtics had cap space? Our cap-crunching friend Ryan Bernardoni, better known by his online alias Dangercart, attempted to trace it back. Writing on Reddit, Bernardoni said the Celtics most recently used below-the-cap flexibility to sign -- wait for it -- Chris Mills to a six-year, $26.1 million contract on Aug. 22, 1997. Mills never appeared in a game for Boston and was traded two months later as Rick Pitino & Co. stumbled in the aftermath of missing out on Tim Duncan.

Bernardoni sums up the fallout as such: "For the next 17 years, the Celtics will rely on Bird Right, trades, the draft, minimum contracts and these new cap exceptions to make 280 player acquisitions without ever dropping below the salary cap."

Now, 6,522 days after that Mills signing (or 563,500,800 seconds, if you prefer Rajon Rondo parlance), the Celtics will have a chance to dip below the salary cap on (or around) July 1.//

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4719228/2015-boston-cap-space-journey

[chambers]

I've asked this in a few other threads and Moranis had a go at explaining, but I'm looking for confirmation...

Could we trade for Khris Middleton and then match all offers on him without it affecting our salary cap line?

eg: trade for Aldridge
 sign DeAndre Jordan
(all cap room is used)
Then trade a player like Zeller for Khris Middleton while the bucks have his RFA rights, which would give us the right to match all offers, thus letting us keep all 3 players without going over the threshold?

I guess even if we went into luxury tax territory then the front office wouldn't care if we signed those three guys, particularly DJ and LMA..

Anyone?

[Moranis]

I've asked this in a few other threads and Moranis had a go at explaining, but I'm looking for confirmation...

Could we trade for Khris Middleton and then match all offers on him without it affecting our salary cap line?

eg: trade for Aldridge
 sign DeAndre Jordan
(all cap room is used)
Then trade a player like Zeller for Khris Middleton while the bucks have his RFA rights, which would give us the right to match all offers, thus letting us keep all 3 players without going over the threshold?

I guess even if we went into luxury tax territory then the front office wouldn't care if we signed those three guys, particularly DJ and LMA..

Anyone?

Middleton is a free agent and thus can't be traded without signing a new contract.

[saltlover]

If someone could answer this, I'd appreciate it.

I seem to be hearing different amounts from 20 mil to 27 mil.

Without much maneuvering (example, trading or stretching Wallace) we should be able to manufacture about $30-$33 million and that includes cap holds on 1st round picks. And it also includes cap hold on Jae Crowder, which is a given it's going to happen.

I'm also working on the assumption of a projected cap of about $67 million.

With Wallace: $22,934,306 or so.
Without Wallace: $33,040,161 or so.
Stretching Wallace: $29,671,543 or so.

Thanks. Man if we can somehow give Wallace the boot, it be great to have in the area of 30 million in cap space.

It would be more advantageous to use Wallace in a sign-and-trade, rather than giving him the boot.  Doing so effectively increases our ability to acquire free agents by $5 million.

[droopdog7]

If someone could answer this, I'd appreciate it.

I seem to be hearing different amounts from 20 mil to 27 mil.

Without much maneuvering (example, trading or stretching Wallace) we should be able to manufacture about $30-$33 million and that includes cap holds on 1st round picks. And it also includes cap hold on Jae Crowder, which is a given it's going to happen.

I'm also working on the assumption of a projected cap of about $67 million.

With Wallace: $22,934,306 or so.
Without Wallace: $33,040,161 or so.
Stretching Wallace: $29,671,543 or so.

Thanks. Man if we can somehow give Wallace the boot, it be great to have in the area of 30 million in cap space.

It would be more advantageous to use Wallace in a sign-and-trade, rather than giving him the boot.  Doing so effectively increases our ability to acquire free agents by $5 million.

My initial thought is not to trade (by giving up a 1st) or stretch Wallace unless we need it.  But sure where you are coming from with a sign and trade?  He is already signed; and has negative value.

Now, if  another team wanted to trade for him to clear space, that's another thing.  But we'd need to take on long term salary coming back or else what's the point for the other team?

[Moranis]

If someone could answer this, I'd appreciate it.

I seem to be hearing different amounts from 20 mil to 27 mil.

Without much maneuvering (example, trading or stretching Wallace) we should be able to manufacture about $30-$33 million and that includes cap holds on 1st round picks. And it also includes cap hold on Jae Crowder, which is a given it's going to happen.

I'm also working on the assumption of a projected cap of about $67 million.

With Wallace: $22,934,306 or so.
Without Wallace: $33,040,161 or so.
Stretching Wallace: $29,671,543 or so.

Thanks. Man if we can somehow give Wallace the boot, it be great to have in the area of 30 million in cap space.

It would be more advantageous to use Wallace in a sign-and-trade, rather than giving him the boot.  Doing so effectively increases our ability to acquire free agents by $5 million.

My initial thought is not to trade (by giving up a 1st) or stretch Wallace unless we need it.  But sure where you are coming from with a sign and trade?  He is already signed; and has negative value.

Now, if  another team wanted to trade for him to clear space, that's another thing.  But we'd need to take on long term salary coming back or else what's the point for the other team?

I think he might sign and trade for a free agent and send Wallace back as the matching salary (plus whatever else the other team needs to take on Wallace and facilitate a sign and trade).

[pearljammer10]

If someone could answer this, I'd appreciate it.

I seem to be hearing different amounts from 20 mil to 27 mil.

Without much maneuvering (example, trading or stretching Wallace) we should be able to manufacture about $30-$33 million and that includes cap holds on 1st round picks. And it also includes cap hold on Jae Crowder, which is a given it's going to happen.

I'm also working on the assumption of a projected cap of about $67 million.

With Wallace: $22,934,306 or so.
Without Wallace: $33,040,161 or so.
Stretching Wallace: $29,671,543 or so.

Thanks. Man if we can somehow give Wallace the boot, it be great to have in the area of 30 million in cap space.

It would be more advantageous to use Wallace in a sign-and-trade, rather than giving him the boot.  Doing so effectively increases our ability to acquire free agents by $5 million.

My initial thought is not to trade (by giving up a 1st) or stretch Wallace unless we need it.  But sure where you are coming from with a sign and trade?  He is already signed; and has negative value.

Now, if  another team wanted to trade for him to clear space, that's another thing.  But we'd need to take on long term salary coming back or else what's the point for the other team?

I think he might sign and trade for a free agent and send Wallace back as the matching salary (plus whatever else the other team needs to take on Wallace and facilitate a sign and trade).

He's saying use Wallace in a sign and trade. As in trade Wallace for a player getting a big contract to whom we then sign to said contract.

[droopdog7]

If someone could answer this, I'd appreciate it.

I seem to be hearing different amounts from 20 mil to 27 mil.

Without much maneuvering (example, trading or stretching Wallace) we should be able to manufacture about $30-$33 million and that includes cap holds on 1st round picks. And it also includes cap hold on Jae Crowder, which is a given it's going to happen.

I'm also working on the assumption of a projected cap of about $67 million.

With Wallace: $22,934,306 or so.
Without Wallace: $33,040,161 or so.
Stretching Wallace: $29,671,543 or so.

Thanks. Man if we can somehow give Wallace the boot, it be great to have in the area of 30 million in cap space.

It would be more advantageous to use Wallace in a sign-and-trade, rather than giving him the boot.  Doing so effectively increases our ability to acquire free agents by $5 million.

My initial thought is not to trade (by giving up a 1st) or stretch Wallace unless we need it.  But sure where you are coming from with a sign and trade?  He is already signed; and has negative value.

Now, if  another team wanted to trade for him to clear space, that's another thing.  But we'd need to take on long term salary coming back or else what's the point for the other team?

I think he might sign and trade for a free agent and send Wallace back as the matching salary (plus whatever else the other team needs to take on Wallace and facilitate a sign and trade).

He's saying use Wallace in a sign and trade. As in trade Wallace for a player getting a big contract to whom we then sign to said contract.

Ah, got it. 

Well, still trying to figure out whether the motivation would be there.  If the other team is under the cap, I presume they would have to heavily compensated (beyond an average first round pick) to take on Wallace even for just one year.  And even if they are not below the cap, they'd be paying 10 mil for a first round pick.  That's too much unless it is a guaranteed lottery pick and even then I would flinch.

As for packaging players and Wallace, not sure how much value we have to package?

[Evantime34]

If someone could answer this, I'd appreciate it.

I seem to be hearing different amounts from 20 mil to 27 mil.

Without much maneuvering (example, trading or stretching Wallace) we should be able to manufacture about $30-$33 million and that includes cap holds on 1st round picks. And it also includes cap hold on Jae Crowder, which is a given it's going to happen.

I'm also working on the assumption of a projected cap of about $67 million.

With Wallace: $22,934,306 or so.
Without Wallace: $33,040,161 or so.
Stretching Wallace: $29,671,543 or so.

Thanks. Man if we can somehow give Wallace the boot, it be great to have in the area of 30 million in cap space.

It would be more advantageous to use Wallace in a sign-and-trade, rather than giving him the boot.  Doing so effectively increases our ability to acquire free agents by $5 million.

My initial thought is not to trade (by giving up a 1st) or stretch Wallace unless we need it.  But sure where you are coming from with a sign and trade?  He is already signed; and has negative value.

Now, if  another team wanted to trade for him to clear space, that's another thing.  But we'd need to take on long term salary coming back or else what's the point for the other team?

I think he might sign and trade for a free agent and send Wallace back as the matching salary (plus whatever else the other team needs to take on Wallace and facilitate a sign and trade).

He's saying use Wallace in a sign and trade. As in trade Wallace for a player getting a big contract to whom we then sign to said contract.

Ah, got it. 

Well, still trying to figure out whether the motivation would be there.  If the other team is under the cap, I presume they would have to heavily compensated (beyond an average first round pick) to take on Wallace even for just one year.  And even if they are not below the cap, they'd be paying 10 mil for a first round pick.  That's too much unless it is a guaranteed lottery pick and even then I would flinch.

As for packaging players and Wallace, not sure how much value we have to package?

The McGee deal last year, net the Sixers a first but it certainly wasn't a guaranteed lottery pick. A late first should be enough. Anything more than that and we might as well just keep him.

[saltlover]

If someone could answer this, I'd appreciate it.

I seem to be hearing different amounts from 20 mil to 27 mil.

Without much maneuvering (example, trading or stretching Wallace) we should be able to manufacture about $30-$33 million and that includes cap holds on 1st round picks. And it also includes cap hold on Jae Crowder, which is a given it's going to happen.

I'm also working on the assumption of a projected cap of about $67 million.

With Wallace: $22,934,306 or so.
Without Wallace: $33,040,161 or so.
Stretching Wallace: $29,671,543 or so.

Thanks. Man if we can somehow give Wallace the boot, it be great to have in the area of 30 million in cap space.

It would be more advantageous to use Wallace in a sign-and-trade, rather than giving him the boot.  Doing so effectively increases our ability to acquire free agents by $5 million.

My initial thought is not to trade (by giving up a 1st) or stretch Wallace unless we need it.  But sure where you are coming from with a sign and trade?  He is already signed; and has negative value.

Now, if  another team wanted to trade for him to clear space, that's another thing.  But we'd need to take on long term salary coming back or else what's the point for the other team?

I think he might sign and trade for a free agent and send Wallace back as the matching salary (plus whatever else the other team needs to take on Wallace and facilitate a sign and trade).

He's saying use Wallace in a sign and trade. As in trade Wallace for a player getting a big contract to whom we then sign to said contract.

Ah, got it. 

Well, still trying to figure out whether the motivation would be there.  If the other team is under the cap, I presume they would have to heavily compensated (beyond an average first round pick) to take on Wallace even for just one year.  And even if they are not below the cap, they'd be paying 10 mil for a first round pick.  That's too much unless it is a guaranteed lottery pick and even then I would flinch.

As for packaging players and Wallace, not sure how much value we have to package?

It could be a three-team trade.  Wallace and the draft pick could go to the Sixers, another player or pick could go to the free agent's original team, and we get the free agent.  For example, if Love and Jordan both agreed to sign in Boston for the max, one could sign outright, while the other would be traded for.  Because we can sign either one outright, we'd have some leverage with Cleveland and Clippers, since the first one that takes the offer gets something, while the other gets nothing.  Accordingly, someone like Sully could be sent to Cleveland, with maybe  a pick, as well as Pressey and Babb to match salaries, while Wallace gets sent to Philly (or Orlando or Utah or Minny or even Portland if LMA leaves).  This would create about a $17 million exception for the team losing the free agent, which is useful too.

The hardest part of using Wallace to create more salary space is convincing two max free agents to sign here.  The easy part is to negotiate with teams, because there are 29 teams in the league, and someone will step up if compensated with cash and picks.

[LarBrd33]

Salary cap for this season was 63 millon, Boston has 40 million in the books for next year. So about 23 million, give or take. This is per HoopsHype and RealGM.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/salary_cap

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/boston.htm

23 mil is how it looks to me as well.  That's if we let Bass, Crowder and Jerebko walk, right?