Ainge: Celtics need another 'dynamic scorer

[PhoSita]

Among realistic options, I've got my fingers crossed for Tobias Harris.  He's 22 and has looked like a budding All-Star at times despite playing for some lousy organizations.  Can play 4 in smaller lineups as well.

Problem is of course that Orlando can match, but if they draft another wing they may decide for the cheap route of building around him and Gordon.

Can Tobias Harris actually defend the wing, though?  He's always seemed like he'd be best utilized as a smaller 4 playing next to a larger center (one who can defend the paint).

[Lucky17]

It starts with Monroe, that's the guy we need to get.

No, it starts with Aldridge. Then perhaps Monroe, who's a taller, healthier version of Sullinger, really.

At this moment I'm not interested in getting into a war of attraction for a $19 million player who's not looking to join a rebuilding effort. It would be a waste of time and jeopardizes going after real opportunities.

"This moment" is  the best time to sign a star player to max money and years. I'm not interested in what you call "real opportunities" (provided we're on the same page, and you mean players that are "just decent" for money that is "just decent); we have enough of these on the roster already.

I assume by "real", BC means "realistic."

Expecting Aldridge to take a pay cut to sign with a team that has a comparatively lesser chance of competing for a ring seems highly unrealistic.

[Lucky17]

How many dynamic scorers are there in the whole league at the 3, 4, and 5?  It's such a guard centric league in terms of volume scorers.

How do you define "dynamic scorer"?  Can someone be a dynamic non-volume scorer?

Defining it is hard because "dynamic," for some reason, is such an overused word these days.

Adjective: (of a process or system) characterized by constant change, activity, or progress.
"a dynamic economy"

From the Greek "dunamikos" or "dunamis" meaning "power."

OK, great.  Still not really helping.

My sense of "dynamic" when people use it in the context we're talking about is kind of a blend of "versatile" and "powerful."  So in a sense, a scorer who can score in a variety of ways and who is difficult to stop, in part because of that versatility.


Yes, I think a scorer could be versatile without being a volume scorer, although typically such scorers have a tendency to get shifted into a volume role because by virtue of their "dynamic" ability, they can score in a larger volume without hurting the team.

Examples of that would be James Harden in OKC and Manu Ginobili.

I'd consider a dynamic scorer one who had above average facility in creating scoring opportunities for himself. Making something out of very little. Scoring despite good opposing defense.

I also believe that dynamic scorers are not necessarily proficient shooters. Can get into the lane and score seemingly "at will."

[Evantime34]

How many dynamic scorers are there in the whole league at the 3, 4, and 5?  It's such a guard centric league in terms of volume scorers.

How do you define "dynamic scorer"?  Can someone be a dynamic non-volume scorer?

Defining it is hard because "dynamic," for some reason, is such an overused word these days.

Adjective: (of a process or system) characterized by constant change, activity, or progress.
"a dynamic economy"

From the Greek "dunamikos" or "dunamis" meaning "power."

OK, great.  Still not really helping.

My sense of "dynamic" when people use it in the context we're talking about is kind of a blend of "versatile" and "powerful."  So in a sense, a scorer who can score in a variety of ways and who is difficult to stop, in part because of that versatility.


Yes, I think a scorer could be versatile without being a volume scorer, although typically such scorers have a tendency to get shifted into a volume role because by virtue of their "dynamic" ability, they can score in a larger volume without hurting the team.

Examples of that would be James Harden in OKC and Manu Ginobili.

When I here dynamic scorer I think of a scorer who can change the outcome of the game, not change the ways in which he scores. It is a really vague term.

[PhoSita]

Scoring despite good opposing defense.

I think that this statement is the essence of what people mean when they say "dynamic scorer."

A player who can score points even if the opposing defense is focused on preventing him from doing that.

Typically, that means a player has a skillset that allows him to score without relying on one particular method of scoring.  If the opponent takes away one thing he does well, he can do it a different way. 

Alternatively, it could be a player who is just so dominant in one area that it is impossible to completely prevent him from scoring that way (e.g. Ray Allen and Kyle Korver finding ways to score from deep, or Shaq in the post).

[Snakehead]

Scoring despite good opposing defense.

I think that this statement is the essence of what people mean when they say "dynamic scorer."

A player who can score points even if the opposing defense is focused on preventing him from doing that.

Typically, that means a player has a skillset that allows him to score without relying on one particular method of scoring.  If the opponent takes away one thing he does well, he can do it a different way. 

Alternatively, it could be a player who is just so dominant in one area that it is impossible to completely prevent him from scoring that way (e.g. Ray Allen and Kyle Korver finding ways to score from deep, or Shaq in the post).

Well put.

I also think an important factor is the free throw line.  Getting to the FT line is what makes the real consistent scorers.  We've seen it with Thomas this year, some games his show isn't falling as well as you'd like but he gets to the line and at the end of the night he scored 20 points and played well.  You want consistent production from the type of player we are talking about and the FT line is very key.

[86MaxwellSmart]

Big Al.

[Lucky17]

Would it be fair to say that the league leaders (top ten or fifteen) in a stat like points per possession could be considered dynamic scorers?

[kozlodoev]

It starts with Monroe, that's the guy we need to get.

No, it starts with Aldridge. Then perhaps Monroe, who's a taller, healthier version of Sullinger, really.

At this moment I'm not interested in getting into a war of attraction for a $19 million player who's not looking to join a rebuilding effort. It would be a waste of time and jeopardizes going after real opportunities.

"This moment" is  the best time to sign a star player to max money and years. I'm not interested in what you call "real opportunities" (provided we're on the same page, and you mean players that are "just decent" for money that is "just decent); we have enough of these on the roster already.

I assume by "real", BC means "realistic."

Expecting Aldridge to take a pay cut to sign with a team that has a comparatively lesser chance of competing for a ring seems highly unrealistic.

Portland imploded completely in the playoffs. Talk is he's not happy there. And he'll have to take a pay cut anyhow if he's leaving town. Any better teams out there with cap space for a max offer?

[Tr1boy]

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[BudweiserCeltic]

It starts with Monroe, that's the guy we need to get.

No, it starts with Aldridge. Then perhaps Monroe, who's a taller, healthier version of Sullinger, really.

At this moment I'm not interested in getting into a war of attraction for a $19 million player who's not looking to join a rebuilding effort. It would be a waste of time and jeopardizes going after real opportunities.

"This moment" is  the best time to sign a star player to max money and years. I'm not interested in what you call "real opportunities" (provided we're on the same page, and you mean players that are "just decent" for money that is "just decent); we have enough of these on the roster already.

I assume by "real", BC means "realistic."

Expecting Aldridge to take a pay cut to sign with a team that has a comparatively lesser chance of competing for a ring seems highly unrealistic.

Portland imploded completely in the playoffs. Talk is he's not happy there. And he'll have to take a pay cut anyhow if he's leaving town. Any better teams out there with cap space for a max offer?

Dallas for one. Sure there are a few others.

But in case I'm overestimating his options, then if he's truly a legit option for us then I have little problem going after him, that's for sure.

I still prefer to go after younger players who are just coming out of their rookie deals, that's my preferred tactic.

But beggars can't be choosers either, so we'll see.

[Lucky17]

It starts with Monroe, that's the guy we need to get.

No, it starts with Aldridge. Then perhaps Monroe, who's a taller, healthier version of Sullinger, really.

At this moment I'm not interested in getting into a war of attraction for a $19 million player who's not looking to join a rebuilding effort. It would be a waste of time and jeopardizes going after real opportunities.

"This moment" is  the best time to sign a star player to max money and years. I'm not interested in what you call "real opportunities" (provided we're on the same page, and you mean players that are "just decent" for money that is "just decent); we have enough of these on the roster already.

I assume by "real", BC means "realistic."

Expecting Aldridge to take a pay cut to sign with a team that has a comparatively lesser chance of competing for a ring seems highly unrealistic.

Portland imploded completely in the playoffs. Talk is he's not happy there. And he'll have to take a pay cut anyhow if he's leaving town. Any better teams out there with cap space for a max offer?

I think Carmelo Anthony alone makes the Knicks closer to a contending team than anyone on the current Celtics roster. Knicks could conceivably add another high profile FA to create a new big three.

And there's been much ink spilt over the possibility of San Antonio having enough cap space to add Aldridge. Kawhi Leonard is a terrific selling point for the Spurs.

[manl_lui]

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[CFAN38]

In other words, Ainge is pretty satisfied with the current guard rotation and sees the frontcourt as the priority for upgrades.

I'm glad this is what he is putting out there cause I 100% agree. I think IT AB and Smart have the Cs set on a good path financially and talent wise for years. The next step is clearly the front court. I can see the plan being to essentially go after the best youngish (28 and under) SF,Pf or C they can get their hands on. Then figure out the roster from there. My prediction is that by the start of next season only 3 out of the 7 front court rotation players ( KO, Sully, Zeller, Turner, Crowder, Bass and Jerebko) are still in green.

[CFAN38]

Among realistic options, I've got my fingers crossed for Tobias Harris.  He's 22 and has looked like a budding All-Star at times despite playing for some lousy organizations.  Can play 4 in smaller lineups as well.

Problem is of course that Orlando can match, but if they draft another wing they may decide for the cheap route of building around him and Gordon.

Can Tobias Harris actually defend the wing, though?  He's always seemed like he'd be best utilized as a smaller 4 playing next to a larger center (one who can defend the paint).

I think Tobias will be at least  a comparable defender to Turner but with the benefit of getting some PT at the 4. If the Cs can bid him out of Orlando they could have a very nice building block whose offensive versatility will really help this team solidify itself.