Ainge: Celtics need another 'dynamic scorer

[heyvik]

In other words, Ainge is pretty satisfied with the current guard rotation and sees the frontcourt as the priority for upgrades.

yup. I also got that from him.  You can add Evan Turner and James Young to the mix.

I second that. i think Ainge knows that we have a logjam of average to good PFs. and 1 legit 7 footer. We can't go on pretending that Sully is any kind of C for any stretch of time.

[heyvik]

Sully, KO, Zeller, Turner are all walking on thin ice and could be traded or replaced by a better talent.

  Sully is the only one on thin ice.   They all have flaws that could be upgraded though.   They would all three be tough bench players, I just cringe when I think of them as starters.

Ainge is pretty satisfied with the current guard rotation and sees the frontcourt as the priority for upgrades.

I agree, we got maimed on the boards, Sully can rebound with anyone but is bad at D.

Sully believe it or not has the best upside of all the PFs on our team(BB, KO)...remember he was projected as a top 5 pick. His conditioning is his own worse enemy.
Sully is best when paired with someone like a Tyson Chandler (5 yrs ago)/Deandre Jordan type Center.

[fairweatherfan]

Among realistic options, I've got my fingers crossed for Tobias Harris.  He's 22 and has looked like a budding All-Star at times despite playing for some lousy organizations.  Can play 4 in smaller lineups as well.

Problem is of course that Orlando can match, but if they draft another wing they may decide for the cheap route of building around him and Gordon.

[saltlover]

How many dynamic scorers are there in the whole league at the 3, 4, and 5?  It's such a guard centric league in terms of volume scorers.

How do you define "dynamic scorer"?  Can someone be a dynamic non-volume scorer?

To me a dynamic scorer is someone who can go get you points when the offense bogs down.  Someone who can change the "dynamics" of a game, if you will.  Or someone who can be the engine, or "dynamo", of an offense.  I think volume is important, at least for short bursts.  Score four possessions in a row, make the defense overplay you, and give your teammates more room to work.

[moiso]

I really like Monroe, but he's not a dynamic scorer.  He's more an Al Horford / Paul Millsap / Serge Ibaka / Derrick Favors complementary scorer, only he has zero range so he's harder to fit into an offense.

Still, he's better than anyone on the Celtics other than IT.  But he's not so much more dangerous offensively than, say, Jared Sullinger.

Not to mention that his defense is far worse than any of those guys.

[Lucky17]

Among realistic options, I've got my fingers crossed for Tobias Harris.  He's 22 and has looked like a budding All-Star at times despite playing for some lousy organizations.  Can play 4 in smaller lineups as well.

Problem is of course that Orlando can match, but if they draft another wing they may decide for the cheap route of building around him and Gordon.

I think he's a main target for the Knicks this offseason. He's from the area, friends with Melo. Also would be a complementary player to Melo as the other forward, similarly interchangeable between the 3 and 4.

[kozlodoev]

It starts with Monroe, that's the guy we need to get.

No, it starts with Aldridge. Then perhaps Monroe, who's a taller, healthier version of Sullinger, really.

[fairweatherfan]

Among realistic options, I've got my fingers crossed for Tobias Harris.  He's 22 and has looked like a budding All-Star at times despite playing for some lousy organizations.  Can play 4 in smaller lineups as well.

Problem is of course that Orlando can match, but if they draft another wing they may decide for the cheap route of building around him and Gordon.

I think he's a main target for the Knicks this offseason. He's from the area, friends with Melo. Also would be a complementary player to Melo as the other forward, similarly interchangeable between the 3 and 4.

Didn't know he was from the area...that doesn't help our case.  But it seems like everyone's a target for the Knicks this offseason, so hopefully they'll blow that space on other guys.

[kozlodoev]

Among realistic options, I've got my fingers crossed for Tobias Harris.  He's 22 and has looked like a budding All-Star at times despite playing for some lousy organizations.  Can play 4 in smaller lineups as well.

Problem is of course that Orlando can match, but if they draft another wing they may decide for the cheap route of building around him and Gordon.

I think he's a main target for the Knicks this offseason. He's from the area, friends with Melo. Also would be a complementary player to Melo as the other forward, similarly interchangeable between the 3 and 4.

Didn't know he was from the area...that doesn't help our case.  But it seems like everyone's a target for the Knicks this offseason, so hopefully they'll blow that space on other guys.

The issue with Harris is not that he "can play the 4 in smaller lineups", it's that he can't play the 3. He got totally embarrassed by Evan Turner when asked to guard him. Stay away.

[BudweiserCeltic]

It starts with Monroe, that's the guy we need to get.

No, it starts with Aldridge. Then perhaps Monroe, who's a taller, healthier version of Sullinger, really.

At this moment I'm not interested in getting into a war of attraction for a $19 million player who's not looking to join a rebuilding effort. It would be a waste of time and jeopardizes going after real opportunities.

[kozlodoev]

It starts with Monroe, that's the guy we need to get.

No, it starts with Aldridge. Then perhaps Monroe, who's a taller, healthier version of Sullinger, really.

At this moment I'm not interested in getting into a war of attraction for a $19 million player who's not looking to join a rebuilding effort. It would be a waste of time and jeopardizes going after real opportunities.

"This moment" is  the best time to sign a star player to max money and years. I'm not interested in what you call "real opportunities" (provided we're on the same page, and you mean players that are "just decent" for money that is "just decent); we have enough of these on the roster already.

[Tr1boy]

It's kind of too bad the Celts gave away Marcus Thornton for IT. 

It would of been nice to have both for the Cavs. Thornton did some good damage against the Raptors last year in the playoffs

Not stating we would of won the series but probably at least 1 or maybe 2 games. I don't know, then who knows

Danny to me knew we didn't have a chance to win the series but sounds like really wanted to win at least 1.

I was just wishing we could win 1 and didn't happen. Maybe it s ok we got swept. Danny has a bigger urgency to make some changes/upgrades

He will be on live at 4:30 pm for the season ending press conference. Should be interesting to hear what he has to say

[Evantime34]

It's kind of too bad the Celts gave away Marcus Thornton for IT. 

It would of been nice to have both for the Cavs. Thornton did some good damage against the Raptors last year in the playoffs

Not stating we would of won the series but probably at least 1 or maybe 2 games. I don't know, then who knows

Danny to me knew we didn't have a chance to win the series but sounds like really wanted to win at least 1.

I was just wishing we could win 1 and didn't happen. Maybe it s ok we got swept. Danny has a bigger urgency to make some changes/upgrades

He will be on live at 4:30 pm for the season ending press conference. Should be interesting to hear what he has to say

That must be a replay because the press conference was at 10 am and he didn't say anything of substance.

[BudweiserCeltic]

It starts with Monroe, that's the guy we need to get.

No, it starts with Aldridge. Then perhaps Monroe, who's a taller, healthier version of Sullinger, really.

At this moment I'm not interested in getting into a war of attraction for a $19 million player who's not looking to join a rebuilding effort. It would be a waste of time and jeopardizes going after real opportunities.

"This moment" is  the best time to sign a star player to max money and years. I'm not interested in what you call "real opportunities" (provided we're on the same page, and you mean players that are "just decent" for money that is "just decent); we have enough of these on the roster already.

My problem is not spending that on Aldridge, the problem is going after a player like that, freezing other opportunities (trade discussions, etc., etc, focusing on the optimization on the potential addition of Aldridge, etc.) while it all being a pipe dream.

You forgo other attainable players because you know, you need to make sure you have room in your cap space to get Aldridge, who's not coming here.

At most this should be a one phone call to gauge interest, and if he doesn't decide quickly for you, you move on. Dancing around like Houston, Dallas, etc. trying to attract the Carmelo's of the world be a waste of time for us, and detrimental.

If Aldridge had any type of desire to join a team like Boston he wouldn't be leaving Portland in the first place.

[PhoSita]

How many dynamic scorers are there in the whole league at the 3, 4, and 5?  It's such a guard centric league in terms of volume scorers.

How do you define "dynamic scorer"?  Can someone be a dynamic non-volume scorer?

Defining it is hard because "dynamic," for some reason, is such an overused word these days.

Adjective: (of a process or system) characterized by constant change, activity, or progress.
"a dynamic economy"

From the Greek "dunamikos" or "dunamis" meaning "power."

OK, great.  Still not really helping.

My sense of "dynamic" when people use it in the context we're talking about is kind of a blend of "versatile" and "powerful."  So in a sense, a scorer who can score in a variety of ways and who is difficult to stop, in part because of that versatility.


Yes, I think a scorer could be versatile without being a volume scorer, although typically such scorers have a tendency to get shifted into a volume role because by virtue of their "dynamic" ability, they can score in a larger volume without hurting the team.

Examples of that would be James Harden in OKC and Manu Ginobili.