After Bradley's Playoffs, How About This?

[Snakehead]

Guy who was good all year and not that good in the Playoffs against a much better team for guy who was bad all year and ruined his teams playoff chances.  Plus a bunch more assets in the trade we just are giving away.

Terrible idea.  Yuck.

You do have us getting 9 but why the fascination with Stephenson from you guys.  He is a bonehead proven again and again and again.

We can trade up in this draft if we want without trading away any of our young players.

[jpotter33]

Alright, for you guys who don't like this trade, how about this:

Wallace, 16, 28

Stephenson, 9

Would you do that? I think Charlotte would have to be desperate to accept that deal, though.

[TheFlex]

Alright, for you guys who don't like this trade, how about this:

Wallace, 16, 28

Stephenson, 9

Would you do that? I think Charlotte would have to be desperate to accept that deal, though.

I think the happy medium between your previously proposed deal and this one is sending 16, 33, 45 and absorbing Lance with the Rondo TPE for Stephenson and #9.

[BitterJim]

Alright, for you guys who don't like this trade, how about this:

Wallace, 16, 28

Stephenson, 9

Would you do that? I think Charlotte would have to be desperate to accept that deal, though.

I can't see Charlotte agreeing to this.  Not only does Stephenson make more than Wallace, but his contract has an option after this season so it wouldn't take down any long term money.  There's a lot to be said for having a former star return to your team (ex: TWolves and KG), but it's not worth trading back in the draft

Maybe a straight up Wallace for Lance deal could be possible, more similar to the KG deal (and, given that they were looking at using a pick to unload Lance earlier in the year, maybe not as far fetched as it seems

I wouldn't even complain if Danny threw in a second rounder in the deal (Still not likely that the deal would happen, but not too far fetched, either)

[jpotter33]

Alright, for you guys who don't like this trade, how about this:

Wallace, 16, 28

Stephenson, 9

Would you do that? I think Charlotte would have to be desperate to accept that deal, though.

I can't see Charlotte agreeing to this.  Not only does Stephenson make more than Wallace, but his contract has an option after this season so it wouldn't take down any long term money.  There's a lot to be said for having a former star return to your team (ex: TWolves and KG), but it's not worth trading back in the draft

Maybe a straight up Wallace for Lance deal could be possible, more similar to the KG deal (and, given that they were looking at using a pick to unload Lance earlier in the year, maybe not as far fetched as it seems

I wouldn't even complain if Danny threw in a second rounder in the deal (Still not likely that the deal would happen, but not too far fetched, either)

I'd be okay with that, too. At worst it'd be like trading end of the bench wasted money for end of the bench wasted money.

[TheTruthFot18]

I am sold -- so long as Stanley Johnson is available at #9. Or, maybe Hezonja.

If it is WCS or Porzingis though, I am not sure.

If it was Johnson at #9 I'm sold. I wish CHA would agree to this

[CelticGuardian]

Stephenson is a buffoon, he is not ready to be considered a leader on a team, which Bradley already is.

[HeadDoctorJ]

To me, this is fair:

CHA: Bradley (& maybe #28)
BOS: Stephenson, #9

Stephenson has been a disaster for CHA (the coach effectively benched him toward the end of the year, saying that he couldn't figure out a good lineup that included Stephenson), and the cost of dumping a contract like his seems to be in the range of one late 1st rounder. Bradley is a solid asset, a young and improving two-way player locked up on a good deal for three more years.  (Side note: I don't really want Stephenson on the team, but whatever Ainge & Stevens would want to do with him -- maybe buy him out, flip his expiring in another deal, or try to rebuild his game into something workable and valuable, whether to keep him or trade him -- I'd be fine with any of it.)

Here's the rest of my master plan to get back to the 7th seed and get swept:

C's sign Danny Green or Khris Middleton to replace Bradley as starting SG. Resign Crowder and Jerebko.

C's get the #6 from SAC in exchange for #16, #45, 2016 MIN 1st, Olynyk, and Turner. (SAC gets a playmaker and ballhandler who they could start at PG in Turner, and a big who could fill in next to Boogie in Olynyk.)

With picks #6 and #9 the C's take WCS and Hezonja.

Lineup would be something like:

PG - Smart, Thomas, Pressey
SG - Green/Middleton, Young
SF - Crowder, Hezonja, Wallace
PF - Sully, Jerebko
C - Zeller, WCS

No banner (yet) with this lineup, but a good upgrade of assets imo. I also think Hezonja could be a great offensive compliment to Smart in the backcourt, and he may even have a chance to be a star. He seems to have that combo of athleticism, size, skill & swagger. Anyone else get that vibe?

[LooseCannon]

Reportedly, Rich Cho didn't want to sign Stephenson because of the advice he got from his analytics advisor, but was overruled from above.  Stephenson also has red flags when it comes to locker room and chemistry.

I think Stephenson appeals most to people who value superficial traits about what they think a basketball player should look like.  I don't think the Celtics should be run in a way that overvalues those traits.

Last summer, I said I preferred Bradley to Stephenson and thought it was better to give AB the contract he was given than to sign Stephenson.  Nothing has happened to change my preference.

[CelticGuardian]

Reportedly, Rich Cho didn't want to sign Stephenson because of the advice he got from his analytics advisor, but was overruled from above.  Stephenson also has red flags when it comes to locker room and chemistry.

I think Stephenson appeals most to people who value superficial traits about what they think a basketball player should look like.  I don't think the Celtics should be run in a way that overvalues those traits.

Last summer, I said I preferred Bradley to Stephenson and thought it was better to give AB the contract he was given than to sign Stephenson.  Nothing has happened to change my preference.

Most Owners green light signing a FA if their popularity is high enough, on court production can be overlooked if the player sells tickets. See Kobe.

[BornReady]

i wouldnt trade bradley for stephenson
stephenson has some mental basketball court issues preventing him from performing like he did in Indiana
even though i said before that it would not workout in charlotte cuz they needed a 3and D SG
he still has not been able to do some of things he did in Indiana

bradley fits for charlotte but my guess is MJ wants to keep the pick

[snively]

I think Bradley and #16 for Lance and #9 is fair.  Smart/Lance/Stan Johnson/Sully would be a real Brute Squad - all those guys a load physically at their positions. 

I might try following that up with KO and #28 to Utah for the #12 pick and grab Myles Turner or Frank Kaminsky.

[Ilikesports17]

If it were possible Id love to do a deal like this where we send Charlotte AB, pick 16 and take on Stephenson and that would be seen as the "Boston Trades" half of the deal.

A poster earlier likened taking on Stephenson to trading a late first.

That way giving up basically AB, 16, late first what can we get from Charlotte they have a ton of high picks on their roster.

If we could get pick #9 that would be great, but the real treat for me would be Noah Vonleh. He faced similar injury/age issues to James Young so if we could snag him from Charlotte that could be massive.

I love his potential.

I also like Stanley Johnson and the entire top 9 so I think both pick #9 and Vonleh are very valuable.

Id even do
AB, IT4, Zeller for Lance, Vonleh, 9

IDK if Charlotte does it and it is a MASSIVE risk but if it works out thats the kind of move that leapfrogs you into real contention

[oldtype]

A poster has already commented on this but Lance Stephenson is currently a player with negative value. I think it's quite telling about what kind of person he is that GMs are saying they'd need a first-round pick to take on his salary despite his undoubted potential.

A lot of these proposed trades are treating Stephenson like he has value roughly equal to Avery Bradley. While Avery may not have the kind of elusive potential Stephenson has, he's still a proven contributor on a team-friendly contract that would probably be fairly valued at a late lottery pick. I wouldn't want Bradley involved in any trade with Stephenson as the primary "asset."

As has already been mentioned, I think the far more likely route if we wanted Stephenson would be something involving Wallace, since I think both are "worth" about as much as each other at this point, particularly given Wallace's history with Charlotte. I doubt we'd want Stephenson anywhere near this team though.

[BDeCosta26]

If it were possible Id love to do a deal like this where we send Charlotte AB, pick 16 and take on Stephenson and that would be seen as the "Boston Trades" half of the deal.

A poster earlier likened taking on Stephenson to trading a late first.

That way giving up basically AB, 16, late first what can we get from Charlotte they have a ton of high picks on their roster.

If we could get pick #9 that would be great, but the real treat for me would be Noah Vonleh. He faced similar injury/age issues to James Young so if we could snag him from Charlotte that could be massive.

I love his potential.

I also like Stanley Johnson and the entire top 9 so I think both pick #9 and Vonleh are very valuable.

Id even do
AB, IT4, Zeller for Lance, Vonleh, 9

IDK if Charlotte does it and it is a MASSIVE risk but if it works out thats the kind of move that leapfrogs you into real contention

In a thread I posted the other day, I was thinking kinda the same thing.

We would trade AB, Zeller #16 and #33 to Charlotte for Stephenson, Vonleh and #9. Now that I've gotten more of an idea what the collective idea of Stephenson's worth is, I think that might be too much. Maybe take out #16 and change 33 to 28. Vonleh is the wildcard, because who knows how much they value him. But with Zeller's UNC roots and his brother being there, I think Zeller is what makes them agree.

Your way undervaluing IT though. I wouldn't trade him straight up for #9 and Stephenson. No way. Thomas has proved too valuable. The trouble with him is that only a few teams could use him in a way that, like he has with us, proves his value.

If the Pistons came up to us and offered us some kind of deal like this:

DET trades Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and #8 to BOS for Isaiah Thomas, Kelly Olynyk (or Sully if need be) and #16.

I might take that. That's closer to Thomas' value. What if SVG (who wants to win now) thinks that having Jackson and Thomas on the same team would be monstrous, since both can play with and without the ball in their hands. Assuming Jackson got paid, KCP is coming up for a raise soon too I think? And IT is on that beautiful cost controlled deal.

But including IT and AB in a trade involving Stephenson and a 7 spot jump in the draft? No can do.