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Re: How Dallas' summer impacts us
« Reply #60 on: April 29, 2015, 04:13:07 PM »

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dirk alone won't put us over the top . I see him going to a legit contender . It would be foolish to trade our assets for a 37 year old player on the decline.

Would it though?  We'd still have BKL firsts in 17 & 18.  And the Memphis pick, plus our own after this year.  Also, any other all star player is probably going to cost you Smart. 

Dirk is durable, has at least 2 solid years left.  CBS has made it clear he wants to win at this level, if Ainge intends to see him though the entirety of that deal he'd be well served to get a bit more short-sighted, imho.
What do you mean by "win at this level"? We would need to be bringing in a lot more talent through FA before we make that trade for Dirk. There's also the problem of him not accepting that trade because we aren't good enough.

Re: How Dallas' summer impacts us
« Reply #61 on: April 29, 2015, 04:17:21 PM »

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With the rise of Anthony Davis, Houston Rockets gaining the league's respect and the consistency of San Antonio. I don't think Cuban can pull a playoff roster out of these guys, especially with so many teams with capspace looking for guys like Tyson and Ellis. But regardless if he does, Boston has the right to exercise the pick whenever it feels its convenient, I think it's unprotected in a couple of years.
This was a darn good team through before they acquired Rondo. With Phoenix a mess and Portland potentially losing Aldridge, Dallas can still be a playoff team for the remainder of Dirk's contract.

Even with cancer of the Rondo, Dallas still won only one less game than Portland.

Re: How Dallas' summer impacts us
« Reply #62 on: April 29, 2015, 04:31:15 PM »

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Dallas was overachieving before the Rondo trade. Not saying that it wasn't a bad move for them (it obviously was) but they were due for a regression either way.
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Re: How Dallas' summer impacts us
« Reply #63 on: April 29, 2015, 04:35:50 PM »

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In other news

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/12787917/rajon-rondo-does-not-get-playoff-share-dallas-mavericks?ex_cid=espnnbaFacebook

If you need any more reasons to be convinced Rondo is gone after this season, here is another one.

Re: How Dallas' summer impacts us
« Reply #64 on: April 29, 2015, 04:46:18 PM »

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ellis has had his best season with the Mavs
why is ellis gone?

rondo is definitely gone
chandler maybe gone

parsons will impact them at the start of the season
dirk hasnt really shown much decline

they may miss the playoffs (i mean if you had to choose between all the playoff teams in the west- the team most likely to fall out is dallas or Pelicans as OKC would be back)

with that said rick is an excellent coach
cuban has shown he is not scared of spending in free agency and wants to remain competitive in dirk's last years
dirk will not leave the Mavs (he would only leave if he hadnt won a championship)

so we are relying on the fact that
dirk's health/game declines or injured for the season (unlikely)
parsons stays at the same level of production (likely)
ellis, chandler, and rondo leave (50-50)
and they cannot attract any good/solid free agents to replace them (50-50 as they have the money but depends on free agents availablity)

Re: How Dallas' summer impacts us
« Reply #65 on: April 29, 2015, 05:08:01 PM »

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ellis has had his best season with the Mavs
why is ellis gone?

He's not necessarily gone, but he is almost certainly opting out and there is a good chance that he might have to take less money than he can get elsewhere if he wants to stay in Dallas.

DeAndre Jordan is rumored to be very interested in playing for the Mavs.  If Dallas signs him or another big contract free agent, they may have to renounce Ellis to have the necessary cap space.
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Re: How Dallas' summer impacts us
« Reply #66 on: April 29, 2015, 05:28:34 PM »

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parsons stays at the same level of production (likely)

Wait, what? You think his production will stay the same despite microfracture surgery?

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2014-03-25/greg-oden-miami-heat-portland-trailblazers-microfracture-surgery-nba-amare-stoudemire-penny-hardaway

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That’s because doctors are largely moving away from microfracture surgery as a means to fixing defects in a player’s cartilage. In the late ’90s and early ’00s, microfracture was a reasonably well-known and often used procedure. But it’s possible that Oden will be the last NBA player we’ll see trying to come back from that surgery.

“I don’t think anyone in 2014 would advise Greg Oden to get microfracture if he had the same issues he showed back then,” one NBA team doctor, who asked to remain anonymous because he was discussing another team’s player, said. “The thinking has changed. It is still a good surgery in some cases, but not for high-level athletes.”

Essentially, microfracture attempts to fill in defects in knee cartilage by using a patient’s own blood. In the procedure, tiny holes are drilled into the bone, causing bleeding. That blood forms a new layer of cartilage that fills in any tears or holes.

The problem, though, is that the blood forms what is called fibrocartilage, which isn’t quite real cartilage—it is stiffer and thicker, like scar tissue. Picture the skin on your arm, for example. Now imagine you had a scar there from a previous surgery. The scar would keep the skin covered, of course, but it would be thicker and tougher than the rest of your skin.

That’s sort of like what fibrocartilage does in the knee, and because of that, knees repaired with microfracture are never really as good as new.

“Microfracture surgery, we call those salvage procedures,” said Dr. Timothy Hewett of Ohio State’s Sports Health and Performance Institute. “Cartilage holds a lot of water and, in that sense, it is a great shock absorber. Fibrocartilage or scar tissue does not do that, it does not dissipate the force as well. … Microfracture had its day, and in some situations it is still relevant.

"But with high-level athletes, returning to their sport, these guys have high body mass, they are landing in the range of four to 10 times their body weight—fibrocartilage, the scar cartilage, is not going to hold up in that situation.”

Indeed, the history of microfracture, especially among NBA players, has been dotted with success stories (Jason Kidd, Matt Harpring, Zach Randolph) and failures (Penny Hardaway, Jamal Mashburn, Terrell Brandon).

One doctor estimates that there is a return-to-sport rate of only about 40 percent with microfracture, and a study published last year in the Orthopedic Journal of Sports showed that NBA players show significantly reduced production after the surgery.

Oden said he has no regrets about getting the surgery. “Knowing what I knew at those times, how I was feeling? Yes, I did need it,” he said. “I couldn’t do anything about that, it was something that was needed at the time.”

What remains problematic about the diminishing of microfracture surgery is that it is not yet clear what will replace it. When cartilage is damaged, something has to be used to fix it, and if not fibrocartilage from microfracture, then what?

There is a procedure known as Autologous Chondrocyte Implantation, or ACI, in which a “patch” of cartilage cells is grown in a lab and implanted into the knee, giving patients a new layer of articular cartilage. But that process has a long recovery time, as much as 18 months.

Re: How Dallas' summer impacts us
« Reply #67 on: April 30, 2015, 11:16:57 AM »

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I think it would be a good idea to go after Aminu. He is a good defender who can guard multiple positions with an improving 3 point shot (he didn't shoot great during the regular season but put up good percentages in the playoffs).

Signing him wouldn't only help us by improving our team it would help us by hurting Dallas.
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