How Dallas' summer impacts us

[D.o.s.]

I don't think Cuban trades Dirk.

Culture is very important to the Mavs.  Your best player has to be a fit for what you want the culture of the team to be. He has to be someone who leads by example. Someone who sets the tone in the locker room and on the court.  It isn’t about who talks the most or the loudest. It is about the demeanor and attitude he brings.  It is amazing how when the culture is strong, the chemistry is strong.  When the Mavs have brought in players that didn’t fit or buy in to  our culture it created on the court and off the court problems.  Its possible to handle one guy who may not fit it. It’s going to have a negative impact on your won and loss record if you have more than one.

Our culture is one of the reasons I won’t trade Dirk.

When you turn your team upside down and try to figure out what the culture of the team is, you take the greatest risk a team can take.  Dirk sets the tone for our team.  He works as hard, if not harder than anyone.  He helps our younger players understand what he expects and what they need to do to excel. On the court he is selfless.  He would rather not have to score a point if we would win the game any way.  He would rather pass the ball and let anyone else score than be forced to take the shot. Until its the time of the game where we need a point. Then he is ready to step up as often as we need it. But he knows, that his impact on a game is far more important than any averages or what appears in the box score. That mindset. That selflessness. His work ethic is something I want to be in place long after he has retired.  But to do that we have to transition with him, not in a void.

It is also the reason I believe that you don’t just blow up a team.  Go back the past 10 years and look at all the teams that traded their best player.  There aren’t a lot of quick trips to the finals to point to as examples.

A quick story. The week I bought the Mavs I was asked by Nellie if I wanted to bag the season in order to get the best draft pick that we could. My response was “No. At some point this franchise has to learn how to win and develop a culture of winning.  You don’t create that culture by tanking the season.  I don’t know how many games we can win, but we are going to try to win every one of them.” Thank goodness we didn’t tank the season  It wasn’t a very good draft. And that turn around for the rest of the season helped define who we were and are to this day.

http://blogmaverick.com/2013/08/03/lets-talk-mavs-mffl/

[SHAQATTACK]

Cuban had a definite man crush on Dirk

Bit scary

[Forza Juventus]

Mark Cuban would be a hypocrite if he traded Dirk and tanked because he has always said he wouldn't trade Dirk and he is always on his high horse about not tanking and always making the playoffs. But nothing would surprise me because he is a sociopath anyway. The current situation Dallas is in benefits us because they look like they will miss the playoffs. Rondo is gone. Apparently Monta Ellis might be gone and Chandler might be gone. I think they will go after big names like Deandre and Aldridge but Mark Cuban has swung and missed on plenty of free agents in the past. Hopefully he keeps Dirk, misses on free agents, and misses the playoffs but loses the pick to us because it's 8 or worse.

[Evantime34]

Soon-to-be free agent DeAndre Jordan has made it known that he has interest in signing with the Mavs this summer, reports Tim MacMahon of ESPNDallas.com

Jordan has said he’s seeking a long-term commitment rather than a one-year deal that would allow him to hit free agency again next year and take advantage of the projected surge in the salary cap.

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2015/04/deandre-jordan-interested.html

Another article also mentioned LaMarcus Aldridge, but I don't see how he fits next to Dirk and there would be a lot of pressure if he came in to replace Dirk.

DeAndre is good, but if all the Mavs have is a rapidly aging Dirk, a less than 100% Parsons and DJ I'm not sure they are a playoff team.

Btw if DeAndre leaves and the Clippers don't work a sign and trade as part of his signing they will be screwed. If he just leaves they will only be $8 MM under the cap and that is including letting Jamaal Crawford and Matt Barnes go. So they would essentially need to add an entire bench and a starting C for only $8MM. Too bad we didn't have their 2016 draft pick.

[Smartacus]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/237608/Sources-DeAndre-Jordan-Interested-In-Playing-For-Mavs

Looks like we might have missed out on another free agent. Never wanted to watch Hack a Jordan anyways. Tyson Chandler is now an interesting option.

[littleteapot]

I think Chandler is a terrible option for us. We don't need a stop-gap center. We need to start taking some gambles to find a long-term option at center.

[Evantime34]

I think Chandler is a terrible option for us. We don't need a stop-gap center. We need to start taking some gambles to find a long-term option at center.

If by some miracle we are able to draft or trade for a young center who is a long term option. I can't think of a better veteran for them to learn from than Chandler.

[Eja117]

Dallas is going to throw money at the top free agents.  Boston is probably going to chase after some of those same free agents.

For a hypothetical max-level player who thinks winning is more important than taxes or weather or nightlife, what should be more attractive....playing with Nowitzki and Parsons in Dallas or playing for Stevens in Boston?

I've been to Dallas and the nightlife isn't exactly a selling point.

Consider my mention of nightlife as laying the groundwork in case this discussion expands beyond Boston vs Dallas and includes other cities.

Or what if by "nightlife" I mean which city has better strip clubs?  How does Boston compare to Dallas in that category?

I gotta take into account if there are people with holstered guns and whether there is country music in the background.

[littleteapot]

I think Chandler is a terrible option for us. We don't need a stop-gap center. We need to start taking some gambles to find a long-term option at center.

If by some miracle we are able to draft or trade for a young center who is a long term option. I can't think of a better veteran for them to learn from than Chandler.

I personally am not a big believer in the veteran mentor. I think KG was a great veteran mentor because he's one of a kind, but most vets aren't necessarily good mentors, and I don't know why Tyson always gets credit for mentoring that Mavs championship team, which was filled with seasoned vets. It's not like Brandon Haywood magically broke out because he was watching Chandler from the bench.

But I think the most important part is, we're not going to know if we have a miracle. I think at least one of our assets is going to turn into a Giorgi Dieng type player and he's going to be promising but bad next year. I want that guy playing and either improving or not so we can move on to other options.

[Smartacus]

I think Chandler is a terrible option for us. We don't need a stop-gap center. We need to start taking some gambles to find a long-term option at center.

If by some miracle we are able to draft or trade for a young center who is a long term option. I can't think of a better veteran for them to learn from than Chandler.

I personally am not a big believer in the veteran mentor. I think KG was a great veteran mentor because he's one of a kind, but most vets aren't necessarily good mentors, and I don't know why Tyson always gets credit for mentoring that Mavs championship team, which was filled with seasoned vets. It's not like Brandon Haywood magically broke out because he was watching Chandler from the bench.

But I think the most important part is, we're not going to know if we have a miracle. I think at least one of our assets is going to turn into a Giorgi Dieng type player and he's going to be promising but bad next year. I want that guy playing and either improving or not so we can move on to other options.

In what world is Tyson Chandler a stop gap center? Look at these accomplishments over his career...

 NBA champion (2011)

NBA All-Star (2013)

All-NBA Third Team (2012)

NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2012)

NBA All-Defensive First Team (2013)

2× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2011–2012)

Chandler is the type of players that slots into any situation and exactly the type of player that you slot next to an Isiah Thomas. That pick and roll would be deadly. He just averaged 10- 12 - 1.5 against The Rockets.

Chandler has Team USA experience which runs a system not entirely different from our own.  His threat to finish alley oops at the rim creates offensive spacing and hes not incapable at the line. Chandler probably still has 3-5 good years left in him. I'd be happy to have him retire a Celtic.

[Evantime34]

I think Chandler is a terrible option for us. We don't need a stop-gap center. We need to start taking some gambles to find a long-term option at center.

If by some miracle we are able to draft or trade for a young center who is a long term option. I can't think of a better veteran for them to learn from than Chandler.

I personally am not a big believer in the veteran mentor. I think KG was a great veteran mentor because he's one of a kind, but most vets aren't necessarily good mentors, and I don't know why Tyson always gets credit for mentoring that Mavs championship team, which was filled with seasoned vets. It's not like Brandon Haywood magically broke out because he was watching Chandler from the bench.

But I think the most important part is, we're not going to know if we have a miracle. I think at least one of our assets is going to turn into a Giorgi Dieng type player and he's going to be promising but bad next year. I want that guy playing and either improving or not so we can move on to other options.

In what world is Tyson Chandler a stop gap center? Look at these accomplishments over his career...

 NBA champion (2011)

NBA All-Star (2013)

All-NBA Third Team (2012)

NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2012)

NBA All-Defensive First Team (2013)

2× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2011–2012)

Chandler is the type of players that slots into any situation and exactly the type of player that you slot next to an Isiah Thomas. That pick and roll would be deadly. He just averaged 10- 12 - 1.5 against The Rockets.

Chandler has Team USA experience which runs a system not entirely different from our own.  His threat to finish alley oops at the rim creates offensive spacing and hes not incapable at the line. Chandler probably still has 3-5 good years left in him. I'd be happy to have him retire a Celtic.

The reason he's a stop gap Center is because this next year will be 15th season and 3-5 more years is probably optimistic. I think he could give us a year or two as a starter then he would have to be moved to a bench role otherwise he would break down.

[GC003332]

For the people saying they will not trade Dirk , why not ?

He clearly only has 2-3 years left in his career, and is on the decline , but he still has value to a contender ( Wash, SA, Hou,Mem)

If Rondo,Ellis,Chandler all leave , and Parson needs micro surgery on his knee, what is the point of keeping Dirk around?

They went for it this year ,and it just didn't work out . I don't see how they can get better next year in the west

This has a Dirk trade written all over it if you don't look at it with hopeful thinking, hoping that they will land a top 10 picks for the c's. It makes no sense for their organization.

Because it would be a PR nightmare. He took less than half of what he deserved last year to stay with the team that drafted him. Turning around and dealing him after he agreed to such a team friendly deal would not be a good look for the Mavs. The only way they deal him is if he asked to be dealt and I doubt that happens.

KG took a team friendly deal and got traded. Who knows Dirk might want to be traded to chase one more ring, it could be a mutual agreement.

Dirk took a 65 percent pay cut to resign with the mavs leaving reported max contract offers from the Lakers and Houston on the table. KG's contract included a non trade clause and was nowhere near a team friendly contract for his production and age in that 2012 season, KG is all about the money and always has been. Why do you think he didn't even contemplate a buyout with the Nets to sign with a legit contender this season at the trade deadline. That guy wouldn't give up one cent to do so.
Guys like Dirk and Tim Duncan put their money where their mouth is Garnett not so much.

KG signed a below-market extension to facilitate the trade to the Celtics, and also waived part of his trade kicker, I believe.

The below market extension  left him the 4th paid player in the league in 2011 and second highest
in 2012
http://Http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highest-paid_NBA_players_by_season#2011.E2.80.932012
I fail to see that as below market.
The mere fact that agree to the trade in the first place granted him an additional 8.4 million over the first 5 seasons in Boston, money that he wouldn't have received to stay loyal to the T-Wolves for whom he signed the biggest extension ever in 1997.
The guy wouldn't even give the local pizza delivery guys tips.
 http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-game-is-round-kevin-garnetts-career-reaches-a-rare-full-circle-back-in-minnesota/

[littleteapot]

In what world is Tyson Chandler a stop gap center? Look at these accomplishments over his career...

 NBA champion (2011)

NBA All-Star (2013)

All-NBA Third Team (2012)

NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2012)

NBA All-Defensive First Team (2013)

2× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2011–2012)

Chandler is the type of players that slots into any situation and exactly the type of player that you slot next to an Isiah Thomas. That pick and roll would be deadly. He just averaged 10- 12 - 1.5 against The Rockets.

Chandler has Team USA experience which runs a system not entirely different from our own.  His threat to finish alley oops at the rim creates offensive spacing and hes not incapable at the line. Chandler probably still has 3-5 good years left in him. I'd be happy to have him retire a Celtic.

He's a stopgap center because he's a good but declining center and he won't make us into contenders while he's good. If we signed him, Draymond Green and Knight we would still be a 6-7-8 seed. Chandler makes a lot of sense for a veteran team that wants to go for it in the next 2 years and needs a very good starting center, and I wouldn't want to outbid one of those teams.

I also think he's a little overrated and benefited greatly from playing with Chris Paul or Dirk for most of the years people remember him. I still think he's good, but we can't expect him to be as good with Isaiah Thomas and Jared Sullinger as he was with Chris Paul and David West.

[Timdawgg]

Ainge doesn't have an emotional attachment and the ownership allows him to have final say. Cuban has an emotional attachment and he has final say. According to reports he's the one that pushed for the Rodman signing and the Rondo and Odom trades.

I'm picturing the scene as it looked around the Rondo trade table:

It's a Friday night and Danny Ainge approaches a bunch of potential trade partners with his offer

"Hello.  My name is Danny Ainge and my product is Rajon Rondo.  Rajon Rondo is an all-star point guard who will solve all of your floor distribution problems.  I'm asking for a couple of first round draft picks and a few throwaway players in exchange for this athlete.

Imagine this: You have a great defense.  You have players who can score.  But nobody can get them the ball!  Now, that problem is solved with the new Rajon Rondo point guard.  He consistently leads the league in assists and is often willing to pass up an easy lay-up just for the opportunity to kick that ball out to the corner and get another assist.  He rebounds, plays Connect 4 and occasionally tries on defense.  Now, who's going to be the first to get the all-new Rondo."

Cuban: What's Rondo's history?

DA: Rondo is a world champion, having led the Celtics to the title in 2008.

Cuban: 2008?  That's a long time ago.  What has happened since?  It sounds like he has gone downhill.

DA: It's not him, it's the team around him.  His teammates aged and we haven't picked up any superstars.  Then, we traded two of the Big 3 to Brooklyn for their entire future.

Billy King: It's true.

Sam Hinkie: I heard that he got injured.  But I'm always willing to make a deal.  Give me Rondo, the three picks from Brooklyn and your 2017 first-rounder and I'll give you a protected 2nd rounder in 2027.

DA: Sam, thank you so much for the offer.  I have to pass, though.  My partners would never go for it.

SH: Okay, we'll make the 2017 pick a second rounder.

DA: No deal.

Billy King: Look, you guys already took advantage of me once, and after last season, I'm afraid to go out in public.  In fact, anyone with whom I've ever traded has taken advantage of me.  I like the idea of using your Rondo with Garnett, but I just have no experience in the field of winning.  I'm out.

Mitch Kupchak: You dodged the injury question.  Didn't Rondo get injured a couple of years ago?

DA: He did tear his ACL a few years ago, but he's been perfectly fine since.  Well, except when he "slipped in the shower" and broke his hand.  On the plus side, he didn't get a concussion from banging his head on the door.

MK: I'd love to have the guy, since Kobe needs somebody to talk with on the bench, but I just don't have any cap space.  I'm out.

SH: Let me throw another proposal at you...

Ryan McDonough: Uh oh, here it comes...

SH: Be quiet Ryan.  Look, there's a reason I'm called Mr. Draftpick.  I've got a bunch of them.  So here's what I'm going to do.  I'll give you a 2034 first-rounder for nothing.  In exchange, however, I get 10% of all the points that Rondo scores until we make the playoffs.  After that, I'll drop it down to 5%.

DA: Um, Sam, I don't think we can do that. 

SH: Then you're dead to me.  I'm out.

Voiceover: Two individuals remain.  Ryan McDonough once worked for Ainge and knows how he thinks.  Mark Cuban, though, is looking to make a big splash.

MC: Okay, I'm interested.  I don't know if you have a real business here, but I'm in it to win it and I like to see my name in the paper.  Besides, I have so much money that I can simply buy the NBA if I don't like the way it turns out.  Here's what I'll do: I'll give you a potential first with weak protection, along with Brandan Wright and Jameer Nelson, in exchange for the remaining 40% of Rondo's potential.

SH: Whoa, Cuban comes out swinging!  Ainge, you're crazy not to take the deal.

BK: It's true.  He's only giving you one draft pick in exchange for a potential disappointment, while I gave you three, so it's not as good a deal.  But it's better than anyone else will offer you.

RM: Look, I just can't top that one.  I'm out.
MC: So I'm the only one left.  I'm setting the 24-second clock.

DA: Can I have a minute to talk to my partners?

MC: 24 seconds.  Starting now!

DA steps into the hall.  We can hear him talking into the phone, "Look, it sounds like a pretty good deal.  Uh-huh, yeah, I know that's how Costner did it in that movie.  But that's the same guy who chose to be in Waterworld.  I'm not using his methods.  Okay, thanks, goodbye."  DA re-enters the room.

MC: So what's it going to be Danny, Yes...or...no?

DA: I need one more player.  Throw in another first-rounder.

BK: You're crazy.  Cuban, don't do it.  That's how he screwed me.

MC: I can't do it.  But I'll throw in Jae Crowder.  He'll try lots of 3-pointers and you can nickname him "Clam."  And you have to throw in Dwight Powell.

DA: Mark, I also want season tickets to the Mavs games.  You have a deal!

Applause is heard and the GMs all congratulate DA as the closing credits roll.

RM: Mark, you're crazy.

MC: No way.  I'm feeling good about this one.  An all-star guard for a draft pick that will never be a lottery pick since we are going to be so good for the next decade?  I hosed that guy.

MK: Sure, Mark.  Hey, give me a call if you want to talk about Kobe...

Mike

Awesome...That is exactly how it went down...TP!!!

[CelticGuardian]

With the rise of Anthony Davis, Houston Rockets gaining the league's respect and the consistency of San Antonio. I don't think Cuban can pull a playoff roster out of these guys, especially with so many teams with capspace looking for guys like Tyson and Ellis. But regardless if he does, Boston has the right to exercise the pick whenever it feels its convenient, I think it's unprotected in a couple of years.