Would you trade the 16th pick for Dieng

[Csfan1984]

Like Dieng yet my answer is no.

[LarBrd33]

Any examples of an impressive young center on a rookie deal getting moved for a mid 1st?  Half the league has a better draft pick than us this season. If you could get a young established player for that pick, you'd obviously have to do it.  Good chance the #16 will net a d-league talent .  Knowing what we know about dieng right now and the certainty about his ability to play basketball, where do you suspect he'd be taken in this draft ?

[Moranis]

Honestly with Pek's injury history and contract the Wolves are much more likely to trade him for the 16th pick. 

[krumeto]

Any examples of an impressive young center on a rookie deal getting moved for a mid 1st?  Half the league has a better draft pick than us this season. If you could get a young established player for that pick, you'd obviously have to do it.  Good chance the #16 will net a d-league talent .  Knowing what we know about dieng right now and the certainty about his ability to play basketball, where do you suspect he'd be taken in this draft ?

I have a quick example for a similarly impactful, same-age young center on a rookie deal, being traded as a reward for a bad 1 year 8 mil contract. Tyler Zeller.

[jambr380]

I am kind-of interested to see how many people would trade James Young for Dieng - because it is kind of the same thing, except we now know a little more about Young (although his future is still a total unknown).

Is Young destined for D-League mediocrity or greatness? That's the allure of potential.

[e4e5sesame]

C'mon. You have to be realistic when making these threads! Dieng is a top ten defensive center in the league with a respectable offensive game. I would give up KO and two first round picks in a heartbeat. I root for Twolves and Cetics and if the 16th pick for Dieng trade ever happened, I wouldn't watch another twolves game until Flip was out the door.

Noel
Jordan
Gasol
Bogut
Chandler
Cousins
Drummond
Lopez
Gobert
Horford
Hibbert

I would say all of these are better defenders at the center position. I also think Len, Biyombo, Asik, and Whiteside could be argued. And thats just off the top of my head. I am sure there is one or two more.

Bogut? Horford? Hibbert? Maybe offensively, but Dieng finished 7th in blocks among centers and he didn't even start the first 15 games when Pek was fully healthy. Clearly top 10 defensively.

Woah, woah, woah.  Bogut?  He's easily a top 3 defensive center in the league and arguably had the best defensive season of any of the guys listed.

Also, blocks are a pretty unreliable metric for defensive efficiency.

[PhoSita]

Honestly with Pek's injury history and contract the Wolves are much more likely to trade him for the 16th pick.

Pek's injury issues are more severe than I had realized.  Not sure they could get a 1st round pick for him right now.

[MikeJelly]

Like Dieng yet my answer is no.

Same here, not super happy about him being 25 and not that solid yet. Rather trade up for WCS

[Csfan1984]

I'd do 28 and 45 all day for Dieng but not going to happen.

[Celtics18]

Lol.   Would you trade Dieng for a 1/10 chance at the next Hedo Turkoglu?

For what value of x would you trade Dieng if it meant a x/10 chance at the next Hedo Turkoglu?  I think there exists a value of x less than 10 where that trade should be made.

FYI Hedo never made an allstar team, but I agree he had a good stretch for a few years and is definitely one of a handful of players drafted at #16 who actually made it in the league. 

I can't tell if people are underrating Dieng or not getting my point.   Dieng is a nice player.  He can probably be a starting center somewhere.   Your best case scenario with a pick like that is landing someone like Dieng.  Why would you trade Dieng for a 1/10 chance at Dieng?  Why would you trade Dieng for a 9/10 chance for Dieng?  He's a capable starting center on a rookie contract.  If you're trading him, you should be getting a sure thing in return.  #16 is a crap shoot.  Could maybe see moving him for  5-9 pick if they are targeting someone there.   

If they needed a more traditional PF I could maybe see them moving Dieng for Sully, but Sully being an overweight injury-prone player makes such a trade unlikely.

I would probably trade the 16th pick for Gorgui Dieng, but your percentages are way off.   Realistically, it's more like a 33% chance at a Dieng caliber player, a 33% chance at a better than Dieng caliber player, and a 33% chance at a worse (possibly considerably worse) caliber player.

[PhoSita]

Lol.   Would you trade Dieng for a 1/10 chance at the next Hedo Turkoglu?

For what value of x would you trade Dieng if it meant a x/10 chance at the next Hedo Turkoglu?  I think there exists a value of x less than 10 where that trade should be made.

FYI Hedo never made an allstar team, but I agree he had a good stretch for a few years and is definitely one of a handful of players drafted at #16 who actually made it in the league. 

I can't tell if people are underrating Dieng or not getting my point.   Dieng is a nice player.  He can probably be a starting center somewhere.   Your best case scenario with a pick like that is landing someone like Dieng.  Why would you trade Dieng for a 1/10 chance at Dieng?  Why would you trade Dieng for a 9/10 chance for Dieng?  He's a capable starting center on a rookie contract.  If you're trading him, you should be getting a sure thing in return.  #16 is a crap shoot.  Could maybe see moving him for  5-9 pick if they are targeting someone there.   

If they needed a more traditional PF I could maybe see them moving Dieng for Sully, but Sully being an overweight injury-prone player makes such a trade unlikely.

I would probably trade the 16th pick for Gorgui Dieng, but your percentages are way off.   Realistically, it's more like a 33% chance at a Dieng caliber player, a 33% chance at a better than Dieng caliber player, and a 33% chance at a worse (possibly considerably worse) caliber player.

Right, and honestly, if it's even a 1/5 chance of getting a player who is more than just a role player, the Celts need to go with the draft pick.

Dieng seems like a nice enough player, but adding more Just-A-Guys is not going to get the Celtics beyond the stage they're at now.

[Bucketgetter]

C'mon. You have to be realistic when making these threads! Dieng is a top ten defensive center in the league with a respectable offensive game. I would give up KO and two first round picks in a heartbeat. I root for Twolves and Cetics and if the 16th pick for Dieng trade ever happened, I wouldn't watch another twolves game until Flip was out the door.

Noel
Jordan
Gasol
Bogut
Chandler
Cousins
Drummond
Lopez
Gobert
Horford
Hibbert

I would say all of these are better defenders at the center position. I also think Len, Biyombo, Asik, and Whiteside could be argued. And thats just off the top of my head. I am sure there is one or two more.

Bogut? Horford? Hibbert? Maybe offensively, but Dieng finished 7th in blocks among centers and he didn't even start the first 15 games when Pek was fully healthy. Clearly top 10 defensively.

Woah, woah, woah.  Bogut?  He's easily a top 3 defensive center in the league and arguably had the best defensive season of any of the guys listed.

Also, blocks are a pretty unreliable metric for defensive efficiency.

Well Dieng beat Bogut in blocks AND steals so I really don't know how he gets "easily top 3 defensively" and Dieng isn't even in the top ten. Plus Lopez isn't as good defensively as Dieng either.

[e4e5sesame]

C'mon. You have to be realistic when making these threads! Dieng is a top ten defensive center in the league with a respectable offensive game. I would give up KO and two first round picks in a heartbeat. I root for Twolves and Cetics and if the 16th pick for Dieng trade ever happened, I wouldn't watch another twolves game until Flip was out the door.

Noel
Jordan
Gasol
Bogut
Chandler
Cousins
Drummond
Lopez
Gobert
Horford
Hibbert

I would say all of these are better defenders at the center position. I also think Len, Biyombo, Asik, and Whiteside could be argued. And thats just off the top of my head. I am sure there is one or two more.

Bogut? Horford? Hibbert? Maybe offensively, but Dieng finished 7th in blocks among centers and he didn't even start the first 15 games when Pek was fully healthy. Clearly top 10 defensively.

Woah, woah, woah.  Bogut?  He's easily a top 3 defensive center in the league and arguably had the best defensive season of any of the guys listed.

Also, blocks are a pretty unreliable metric for defensive efficiency.

Well Dieng beat Bogut in blocks AND steals so I really don't know how he gets "easily top 3 defensively" and Dieng isn't even in the top ten. Plus Lopez isn't as good defensively as Dieng either.

The NBA has moved on from the time when blocks and steals (and defensive rebounds) alone were a credible measure of a defensive player's ability.

Have a look at the columns titled DWS and DBPM in the following links:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bogutan01.html#advanced::none
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dienggo01.html#advanced::none

But if you aren't convinced by advanced stats, maybe you would put more weight in general consensus.  Read over the complete list of names written on NBA DPOY ballots.  Dieng is conspicuously absent, while Bogut is #6, league wide.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/4/23/8480079/kawhi-leonard-wins-defensive-player-of-the-year

[mahcus smaht]

C'mon. You have to be realistic when making these threads! Dieng is a top ten defensive center in the league with a respectable offensive game. I would give up KO and two first round picks in a heartbeat. I root for Twolves and Cetics and if the 16th pick for Dieng trade ever happened, I wouldn't watch another twolves game until Flip was out the door.

Noel
Jordan
Gasol
Bogut
Chandler
Cousins
Drummond
Lopez
Gobert
Horford
Hibbert

I would say all of these are better defenders at the center position. I also think Len, Biyombo, Asik, and Whiteside could be argued. And thats just off the top of my head. I am sure there is one or two more.

Bogut? Horford? Hibbert? Maybe offensively, but Dieng finished 7th in blocks among centers and he didn't even start the first 15 games when Pek was fully healthy. Clearly top 10 defensively.

Woah, woah, woah.  Bogut?  He's easily a top 3 defensive center in the league and arguably had the best defensive season of any of the guys listed.

Also, blocks are a pretty unreliable metric for defensive efficiency.

Well Dieng beat Bogut in blocks AND steals so I really don't know how he gets "easily top 3 defensively" and Dieng isn't even in the top ten. Plus Lopez isn't as good defensively as Dieng either.

I assume he meant Robin Lopez

[BDeCosta26]

Honestly with Pek's injury history and contract the Wolves are much more likely to trade him for the 16th pick.

I don't think anyone in the 13-20 range would trade their pick for Pekovic.