Enjoy the quick fix. Danny set this franchise back.

[PhoSita]

Tanking is a false hope that does nothing but kill the credibility of your organization. 

What does tanking have to do with credibility? 

Tanking might kill your ability to attract big time free agents, but being mediocre does, too.

The only thing that raises an organization's "credibility" as far as attracting free agents is to have elite talent already in place. 

Nobody is going to go out of their way to join the Celtics simply because they tried hard and didn't give up even though most of their opponents have better players at the top of the rotation.

Do you think an organization is "credible" when it loses on purpose??  I think Philly has been an embarrassment and I would be pretty p---ed if I was a Sixers fan.   

Regarding free agents, the bottom line is that the almighty dollar is what ultimately attracts them.

Are they testifying in court or something?  Credibility is not the issue here.

Once Philly puts together some good players who have shown they can produce at an elite level on a basketball court, they'll be able to attract free agents.

The same is true for the Celtics.

[crimson_stallion]

This franchise could have had an easy path to success. You people bash me for comparing the situation to Philly but let's take the homer glasses off and be honest with ourselves. Is there anyone on our current roster you would rather have than Noel or Embiid? Absolutely the answer is no. How did the Sixers get there? A strong number of tank trades and tank moves. Bass had no business staying. They had no business getting IT. They had no business making most of the moves they did. Crowder is going to be an overpaid bum next year and we will probably pay him since the Green Teamers will cry after making the playoffs.

The "best" part of making the playoffs? We now get to see what value combining the 15th and 25th picks in a trade would have!!! Awesome! They'll never fire the guy just like the Bruins would never fire Sinden but this is awful for the franchise that desperately needs top picks because they'll never be a top free agent destination.

This is one of the saddest things I have ever seen posted on this forum.

That someone who calls themselves a Celtics fan could possible be so 'dissapointed' to see the Celtics winning games and making the playoffs is just saddening.

That anybody could feel anything but pride for watching this group of underdogs work their butts off and come together as a team to achieve what they have is just plain disappointing.

Danny set the team back?  We are just about to make the playoffs, after which we will be entering the first off season in YEARS in which we actually have significant cap space.  For the next (what, 6 or 7?) years we have so many draft picks and trade exceptions that every team who wants to make a trade for the next 5 or so years will be picking up the phone and calling Danny. Oh and I think we only have ONE player on the roster who is over 30 years old (Wallace) and next season he'll be on an expiring contract. 

Would I choose anybody on this team over Embiid and Noel?  Your [dang] right I would.  Lets start with Isaiah Thomas and Avery Bradley and Marcus Smart.  Those shown me more heart this year then Embiid and Noel have shown in their entire lives.

What has Embiid achieved in the NBA?  Oh, right - nothing because he hasn't played a game yet.  How about Noel?  The guy can't even manage 10 points a game when playing on one of the worst teams in NBA history - I mean, the guy is practically the only person on the team who isn't from the D league and he still can't score. 

If you love watching people with no heart throwing games because they have such little pride, then maybe you should sign up here:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers

[incoherent]

Way to many smart posters here feeding this troll of a thread. Please stop responding here and giving this troll exact?y what he wants.

Not one single person with any shred of knowledge of the NBA could ever attempt to make a sound argument that Danny has set this franchise back.  Every other GM \ coach \ player \ ex-player \ has given nothing but praise for the job Danny has done rebuilding this team.

[cb8883]

Way to many smart posters here feeding this troll of a thread. Please stop responding here and giving this troll exact?y what he wants.

Not one single person with any shred of knowledge of the NBA could ever attempt to make a sound argument that Danny has set this franchise back.  Every other GM \ coach \ player \ ex-player \ has given nothing but praise for the job Danny has done rebuilding this team.

Troll? Tell me how this helps the Celtics in the future.

- There are no superstar players available in trade
- Guys like Durant Gasol and others who will be available in the next two years will not come to Boston. I would gather Boston is on the bottom third tier of destinations
-Thus the only way to correctly build this thing is through high draft picks. San Antonio did it with Duncan. We want to build San Antonio east but its missing the greatest 4 to play the game in that logic.
-Boston has horrible weather and nightlife

However we have a bundle of 1st rounders that will buy us players like Miles Turner that will be out of the league in two years or guys that go 6th overall and become duds as NBA players.

[AidaCelt]

This franchise could have had an easy path to success. You people bash me for comparing the situation to Philly but let's take the homer glasses off and be honest with ourselves. Is there anyone on our current roster you would rather have than Noel or Embiid? Absolutely the answer is no. How did the Sixers get there? A strong number of tank trades and tank moves. Bass had no business staying. They had no business getting IT. They had no business making most of the moves they did. Crowder is going to be an overpaid bum next year and we will probably pay him since the Green Teamers will cry after making the playoffs.

The "best" part of making the playoffs? We now get to see what value combining the 15th and 25th picks in a trade would have!!! Awesome! They'll never fire the guy just like the Bruins would never fire Sinden but this is awful for the franchise that desperately needs top picks because they'll never be a top free agent destination.

This is one of the saddest things I have ever seen posted on this forum.

That someone who calls themselves a Celtics fan could possible be so 'dissapointed' to see the Celtics winning games and making the playoffs is just saddening.

That anybody could feel anything but pride for watching this group of underdogs work their butts off and come together as a team to achieve what they have is just plain disappointing.

Danny set the team back?  We are just about to make the playoffs, after which we will be entering the first off season in YEARS in which we actually have significant cap space.  For the next (what, 6 or 7?) years we have so many draft picks and trade exceptions that every team who wants to make a trade for the next 5 or so years will be picking up the phone and calling Danny. Oh and I think we only have ONE player on the roster who is over 30 years old (Wallace) and next season he'll be on an expiring contract. 

Would I choose anybody on this team over Embiid and Noel?  Your [dang] right I would.  Lets start with Isaiah Thomas and Avery Bradley and Marcus Smart.  Those shown me more heart this year then Embiid and Noel have shown in their entire lives.

What has Embiid achieved in the NBA?  Oh, right - nothing because he hasn't played a game yet.  How about Noel?  The guy can't even manage 10 points a game when playing on one of the worst teams in NBA history - I mean, the guy is practically the only person on the team who isn't from the D league and he still can't score. 

If you love watching people with no heart throwing games because they have such little pride, then maybe you should sign up here:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers

TP for this well constructed response. I like Embiid and his potential but he has done nothing yet. Do the Sixers have the "potential"? Sure they do. But it's far from a guarantee. C's as they stand are enjoyable to watch, play with heart every game, have an intelligent coach and GM, have picks stashed ready for either a trade up or future pick... I'm not sure what is not to love about the current C's apart from the fact they don't have that superstar or 2 to take them to the next level.

[cb8883]

This franchise could have had an easy path to success. You people bash me for comparing the situation to Philly but let's take the homer glasses off and be honest with ourselves. Is there anyone on our current roster you would rather have than Noel or Embiid? Absolutely the answer is no. How did the Sixers get there? A strong number of tank trades and tank moves. Bass had no business staying. They had no business getting IT. They had no business making most of the moves they did. Crowder is going to be an overpaid bum next year and we will probably pay him since the Green Teamers will cry after making the playoffs.

The "best" part of making the playoffs? We now get to see what value combining the 15th and 25th picks in a trade would have!!! Awesome! They'll never fire the guy just like the Bruins would never fire Sinden but this is awful for the franchise that desperately needs top picks because they'll never be a top free agent destination.

This is one of the saddest things I have ever seen posted on this forum.

That someone who calls themselves a Celtics fan could possible be so 'dissapointed' to see the Celtics winning games and making the playoffs is just saddening.

That anybody could feel anything but pride for watching this group of underdogs work their butts off and come together as a team to achieve what they have is just plain disappointing.

Danny set the team back?  We are just about to make the playoffs, after which we will be entering the first off season in YEARS in which we actually have significant cap space.  For the next (what, 6 or 7?) years we have so many draft picks and trade exceptions that every team who wants to make a trade for the next 5 or so years will be picking up the phone and calling Danny. Oh and I think we only have ONE player on the roster who is over 30 years old (Wallace) and next season he'll be on an expiring contract. 

Would I choose anybody on this team over Embiid and Noel?  Your [dang] right I would.  Lets start with Isaiah Thomas and Avery Bradley and Marcus Smart.  Those shown me more heart this year then Embiid and Noel have shown in their entire lives.

What has Embiid achieved in the NBA?  Oh, right - nothing because he hasn't played a game yet.  How about Noel?  The guy can't even manage 10 points a game when playing on one of the worst teams in NBA history - I mean, the guy is practically the only person on the team who isn't from the D league and he still can't score. 

If you love watching people with no heart throwing games because they have such little pride, then maybe you should sign up here:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers

TP for this well constructed response. I like Embiid and his potential but he has done nothing yet. Do the Sixers have the "potential"? Sure they do. But it's far from a guarantee. C's as they stand are enjoyable to watch, play with heart every game, have an intelligent coach and GM, have picks stashed ready for either a trade up or future pick... I'm not sure what is not to love about the current C's apart from the fact they don't have that superstar or 2 to take them to the next level.

You would pass on Embiids potential? Smart over Noel? Good god. I doubt highly that even Danny Ainge is dumb enough to do that.

[Roy H.]

You would pass on Embiids potential? Smart over Noel? Good god. I doubt highly that even Danny Ainge is dumb enough to do that.

Regarding Embiid, he's all potential.  He could be the next Oden, for all that we know.  If people prefer the bird in hand, I respect that.

I think folks are missing the boat on Noel, though.  Since the All-Star game, he's been averaging 13.1 points, 10.0 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 2.3 blocks, 2.1 steals

Since the 1980s, only two players have averaged 13 points, 10 rebounds, 2 blocks, and 2 steals for a full season:  Hakeem and David Robinson.  Don't sell Noel short for what he's doing as a rookie.

[Moranis]

This franchise could have had an easy path to success. You people bash me for comparing the situation to Philly but let's take the homer glasses off and be honest with ourselves. Is there anyone on our current roster you would rather have than Noel or Embiid? Absolutely the answer is no. How did the Sixers get there? A strong number of tank trades and tank moves. Bass had no business staying. They had no business getting IT. They had no business making most of the moves they did. Crowder is going to be an overpaid bum next year and we will probably pay him since the Green Teamers will cry after making the playoffs.

The "best" part of making the playoffs? We now get to see what value combining the 15th and 25th picks in a trade would have!!! Awesome! They'll never fire the guy just like the Bruins would never fire Sinden but this is awful for the franchise that desperately needs top picks because they'll never be a top free agent destination.

This is one of the saddest things I have ever seen posted on this forum.

That someone who calls themselves a Celtics fan could possible be so 'dissapointed' to see the Celtics winning games and making the playoffs is just saddening.

That anybody could feel anything but pride for watching this group of underdogs work their butts off and come together as a team to achieve what they have is just plain disappointing.

Danny set the team back?  We are just about to make the playoffs, after which we will be entering the first off season in YEARS in which we actually have significant cap space.  For the next (what, 6 or 7?) years we have so many draft picks and trade exceptions that every team who wants to make a trade for the next 5 or so years will be picking up the phone and calling Danny. Oh and I think we only have ONE player on the roster who is over 30 years old (Wallace) and next season he'll be on an expiring contract. 

Would I choose anybody on this team over Embiid and Noel?  Your [dang] right I would.  Lets start with Isaiah Thomas and Avery Bradley and Marcus Smart.  Those shown me more heart this year then Embiid and Noel have shown in their entire lives.

What has Embiid achieved in the NBA?  Oh, right - nothing because he hasn't played a game yet.  How about Noel?  The guy can't even manage 10 points a game when playing on one of the worst teams in NBA history - I mean, the guy is practically the only person on the team who isn't from the D league and he still can't score. 

If you love watching people with no heart throwing games because they have such little pride, then maybe you should sign up here:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers

TP for this well constructed response. I like Embiid and his potential but he has done nothing yet. Do the Sixers have the "potential"? Sure they do. But it's far from a guarantee. C's as they stand are enjoyable to watch, play with heart every game, have an intelligent coach and GM, have picks stashed ready for either a trade up or future pick... I'm not sure what is not to love about the current C's apart from the fact they don't have that superstar or 2 to take them to the next level.

You mean aside from having the players necessary to make Boston a contender, I like this team.  How do you propose Boston gets the superstars required for contention?  You see that is the real crux of the matter.  Without superstars you won't contend, so how does Boston get them?

[GzUP617]

This franchise could have had an easy path to success. You people bash me for comparing the situation to Philly but let's take the homer glasses off and be honest with ourselves. Is there anyone on our current roster you would rather have than Noel or Embiid? Absolutely the answer is no. How did the Sixers get there? A strong number of tank trades and tank moves. Bass had no business staying. They had no business getting IT. They had no business making most of the moves they did. Crowder is going to be an overpaid bum next year and we will probably pay him since the Green Teamers will cry after making the playoffs.

The "best" part of making the playoffs? We now get to see what value combining the 15th and 25th picks in a trade would have!!! Awesome! They'll never fire the guy just like the Bruins would never fire Sinden but this is awful for the franchise that desperately needs top picks because they'll never be a top free agent destination.

This is one of the saddest things I have ever seen posted on this forum.

That someone who calls themselves a Celtics fan could possible be so 'dissapointed' to see the Celtics winning games and making the playoffs is just saddening.

That anybody could feel anything but pride for watching this group of underdogs work their butts off and come together as a team to achieve what they have is just plain disappointing.

Danny set the team back?  We are just about to make the playoffs, after which we will be entering the first off season in YEARS in which we actually have significant cap space.  For the next (what, 6 or 7?) years we have so many draft picks and trade exceptions that every team who wants to make a trade for the next 5 or so years will be picking up the phone and calling Danny. Oh and I think we only have ONE player on the roster who is over 30 years old (Wallace) and next season he'll be on an expiring contract. 

Would I choose anybody on this team over Embiid and Noel?  Your [dang] right I would.  Lets start with Isaiah Thomas and Avery Bradley and Marcus Smart.  Those shown me more heart this year then Embiid and Noel have shown in their entire lives.

What has Embiid achieved in the NBA?  Oh, right - nothing because he hasn't played a game yet.  How about Noel?  The guy can't even manage 10 points a game when playing on one of the worst teams in NBA history - I mean, the guy is practically the only person on the team who isn't from the D league and he still can't score. 

If you love watching people with no heart throwing games because they have such little pride, then maybe you should sign up here:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers

Asking fans to become Sixers fans because they'd of preffered to tank than winning is like becoming a Golden State fan because you like wins.

[More Banners]

Anyone remember how long the Bulls tried to rebuild through the draft after Jordan retired?

The draft is a long shot, and then there's no guarantee the picks are still around in their prime.

[TheTruthFot18]

Would I choose anybody on this team over Embiid and Noel?  Your [dang] right I would.  Lets start with Isaiah Thomas and Avery Bradley and Marcus Smart.  Those shown me more heart this year then Embiid and Noel have shown in their entire lives.

What has Embiid achieved in the NBA?  Oh, right - nothing because he hasn't played a game yet.  How about Noel?  The guy can't even manage 10 points a game when playing on one of the worst teams in NBA history - I mean, the guy is practically the only person on the team who isn't from the D league and he still can't score. 

Noel has averaged crazy good numbers since the ASB more in the range of 13/10/2 with over 2 blocks and steals/ game. I only bring this up since we have been praising everyone here for their post ASB stats.

I think Noel has a bright future as long as he learns not to be anything Bynum and McGee were. That being said the thread's OP is still off his rocker, just wanted to point out some stats.

[SHAQATTACK]

Even if you lose on purpose year after year taking first round picks ,  how does that guarantee these guys will pan out, or play together well, or even stay healthy.   That's like million in 1 chance right there alone.  A few lottery picks doesn't guarantee any success . 

Will these young stars even want to stay on a team with a loser philosophy? They may leave before the fruit of ten years of pain can begin to pay off....see the Kings with lottery picks and years of failure

Hard work and smart moves is the right formula .   Standing around loosen , waiting for lottery ticket to be punched is ..for losers .....go out and make something happen .

Then factor in hoping you can find the RIGHT coach ,or even lure a decent coach into this type of project is questionable as well. 

So ...there is no short cut or easy way out that fans look for to rebuild over night .   Philly is searching for that Holy Grail draft pick of a  Jordan or LeBron .   Well , even those guys took many years to reach the banners. So after torturing fans for ten years to land a guy like this , than another five years to put the team and right coach together ?  Could be 15 years go by easy.

There is no quick fix ,  players like that come around , maybe one a decade . 

Purposely losing for multiple years is no formula for success .

Maybe Philly should use some common sense and  not impatient thinking to build their team .....find a good coach and staff and better front office .....and most of all care about their paying fans who actually show up to see their team play. 

[Yoki_IsTheName]

We are one of the winningest teams after the all star break. From all this "tank talk" you've missed the part where we have something much more better despite not having elite talent nor having a much better chance of getting one. It's called progress.

We've progressed despite the lack of a real franchise guy. We've become a competent team and we have a group of young guys who's proving game by game that they belong in the league and can contribute. We have an ELITE coach. And we've made some leaps in player development.

This isn't the quick fix. This was part if the plan all along. We may not have a high lotttery pick, but this tram has done a marvelous job this season. Calling their accomplishment "setting the franchise back" is absurd.

[MrMorrill]

I'm all in on the playoffs. The last thing I want to do is watch a team lose every night, being a 76ers fan must not be fun knowing their plans aren't 100% going to ensure greatness. Anything can happen with the 76ers situation, I'll take a scrappy team who gets better year after year than tanking for hopes one year they will be great.

I don't get league pass or go to games to watch my favorite team stink.

[PhoSita]

I'm getting sick of the labeling going on around here these days (tanker, hinkier, etc).

Thinking that it might not be the greatest thing for the franchise to make the playoffs with a roster that is still probably every bit as far away from true contention as the calculated tank job in Philly doesn't make some one a bad Celtics fan.

If you wouldn't take Embiid, right now, for anyone currently on our roster, injury and weight concerns and all, just know that you wouldn't make a very good NBA GM.