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Re: Enjoy the quick fix. Danny set this franchise back.
« Reply #60 on: April 11, 2015, 06:53:28 PM »

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I disagree wholeheartedly with the premise of this thread.

The only way to get better is by actually winning and improving in the standings which the Celtics have done.

That's how you acquire free agents, by winning.

Good players don't want to come to a sucky team that's rebuilding for years on end.

No thanks!

Re: Enjoy the quick fix. Danny set this franchise back.
« Reply #61 on: April 11, 2015, 07:33:15 PM »

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Big AL saw the potential as being the missing piece in Charlotte. The only so called star they had was Kemba and that's if you even consider him one. I'm sure  there are players already gauging us the same way and checking how we handle the playoffs if we lock in a spot.

Going back on the main topic. NO ONE'S SEEN EMBIID EVEN RUN NEXT TO A NBA PLAYER!.  Parsons was 30th pick. 15th is better them 10th STATISTICALLY, not always in reality. I wouldn't be suprised if Nerlens  does a "decision" special leaving Philly in a few years

Re: Enjoy the quick fix. Danny set this franchise back.
« Reply #62 on: April 11, 2015, 07:53:47 PM »

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This franchise could have had an easy path to success. You people bash me for comparing the situation to Philly but let's take the homer glasses off and be honest with ourselves. Is there anyone on our current roster you would rather have than Noel or Embiid? Absolutely the answer is no. How did the Sixers get there? A strong number of tank trades and tank moves. Bass had no business staying. They had no business getting IT. They had no business making most of the moves they did. Crowder is going to be an overpaid bum next year and we will probably pay him since the Green Teamers will cry after making the playoffs.

The "best" part of making the playoffs? We now get to see what value combining the 15th and 25th picks in a trade would have!!! Awesome! They'll never fire the guy just like the Bruins would never fire Sinden but this is awful for the franchise that desperately needs top picks because they'll never be a top free agent destination.



The Sacramento Kings have been tanking for 8 years. How are they making out?

Stop thinking in Fantasy League. 


Re: Enjoy the quick fix. Danny set this franchise back.
« Reply #63 on: April 11, 2015, 08:01:53 PM »

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fill out the roster with d-leaguers and embrace a losing culture for a couple seasons.


Awesome. 


Re: Enjoy the quick fix. Danny set this franchise back.
« Reply #64 on: April 11, 2015, 08:56:29 PM »

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Danny: "Over the next two years I'm going to completely turn over the roster, getting rid of every declining veteran and filling the roster with a bunch of 26-and-under prospects. I'm also going to accumulate the biggest stockpile of first round picks in the league. And, I'll do all that while getting us back into the playoffs by the end of that second year."

Fans: "Meh."

Reality is that Danny didn't want this outcome.  If you listened to any interview he gave over the past couple years, he's been pretty straight-forward in his desire to land an impact player or two through the draft.   We got rid of Pierce/KG with hopes of bottoming out in 2013-14.  We waited extra long to bring back Rondo and then found excuses not to play in him back-to-backs (ironically, we were worse in games Rondo played).   We really wanted someone like Wiggins or Parker.   Got unlucky and got the consolation prize of Marcus Smart.

Tried again this year where there were some ideal big men prospects at the top of the draft (Okafor, Townes, etc).   Traded everyone who supposedly was keeping this team mediocre.  Goodbye Rondo.  Goodbye Green.   Took back nothing substantial short-term.   Goal was obviously to bottom out.   Ainge publicly admitted that he saw no purpose in making the playoffs with a below .500 record and then getting thrashed.   Thanks to Brad Stevens and some addition by subtraction, the team greatly overachieved.   That wasn't Danny's intention at all.  He did everything he possibly could to set up a bottom 3 team.  This team is comprised of role players.  There might not be a single player on this roster who would start for a contender.   The plan was to be horrible. 

The only thing you can maybe fault him for is the Thomas trade, but I think that was a big picture trade.  He saw that Thomas could have more trade value than what he gave up... so he jumped at an opportunity to buy low. 

The way this season has played out is going to make Danny's job much harder.  I'm sure he's not thrilled about it.  Maybe he can leverage a playoff appearance into a free agent sales pitch, but who knows.  I'm certain Ainge would have preferred to land a top 4 pick this year.

Ainge didn't do anything dramatically different than Philly.  Philly just had the nerve to draft injured players, fill out the roster with d-leaguers and embrace a losing culture for a couple seasons.   I think Brad Stevens was a great hire for us long-term, but I think it had the short-term effect of causing a bit of conflicting agendas.   Stevens wants to win.  Ainge wants to keep Stevens happy.  Ainge wants to lose short-term.  That's a hard thing to balance.  Didn't want to scare off Stevens or create a negative environment.   Philly's managed to keep spirits up in spite of the losses, because they run that team like a basketball camp for developing kids.  The players know that short-term success is irrelevant.  They just need to work on their areas of focus and continue to improve.  That wasn't going to be a role that fit Stevens.

A little too blunt but yeah this is basically what has happened. Stevens has proven to be too good a coach lol He has taken a team with average to above average players far beyond many could have imagined. A playoff team even in the East in year 2? Not many coaches in the league could do that. Ainge's next job is to land a legit #1 option and a good #2 to go along with it. That's the hardest task to a rebuild tho
You guys are mostly right, but for one factor. The fact that this talentless team has gone something like 22-12 since removing Green/Rondo proves that they may not be so talentless as it seems. Had this team bottomed out (assume IT trade doesnt happen) it would mean that the teams individuals did not improve. Instead we found that these guys are better than we thought. Based on his recent play, ET has upped his value significantly from this offseason, Zeller and IT4 have proven to be steals absolute steals. AB has continued to improve on O and has gotten back to the D that made him a notable player coming into the league.

Had we sucked and gotten say the #5 pick it probably would mean that
1. Brad isnt as good as we hoped
2. The only thing on the team worth keeping is Smart
2a. None of our other players have any value cus they just sucked for a year
3. AB is overpaid
4. Oh dear God we need to nail this pick. If we get a  star we are in good position if not we are trending towards Charlotte or Sacremento

Instead
1. Brad is one of the best at maximizing talent
2. Smart, AB, Zeller, KO, Sully (think back to preinjury), IT4 could all be keepers
2a. ET and everyone listed above are now at least decent trade pieces
3. AB is underpaid, IT4 probably is too
4. [dang], this pick will probably turn into another solid but not great player
5. All our keepers above will have the experience of a tight playoff race and a playoff series


One final point, I used to see the line "If we dont tank we wont find a superstar and we will just end up like the Hawks" I dont see that line a lot anymore.

Re: Enjoy the quick fix. Danny set this franchise back.
« Reply #65 on: April 11, 2015, 09:12:01 PM »

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Danny Ainge also talks about player development and how his players are valued around the league, from the start of this season until now including the in season acquisitions one could argue that nearly all the Celts have increased their trade value.Even the free agents can be sign and traded ie Kris Humphries type deals.
Injuries aside to KO and Sullinger I would think that Ainge would be fairly pleased with that side of things and how virtually each player would be valued greater than respective draft positions.Even Evan Turner one would argue has greater value than his current contract.
So a 24-16 record the last 40 games and with one more win these last 3 games , that would make 3 straight winning months for the first time in 4 seasons I would say combined with all the future draft picks , Rondo trade exception, CBS , Danny has got be excited how he can keep the Celtics trending upwards.

The above post beat me to a few of my points

Gavin

Re: Enjoy the quick fix. Danny set this franchise back.
« Reply #66 on: April 11, 2015, 09:14:32 PM »

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Danny: "Over the next two years I'm going to completely turn over the roster, getting rid of every declining veteran and filling the roster with a bunch of 26-and-under prospects. I'm also going to accumulate the biggest stockpile of first round picks in the league. And, I'll do all that while getting us back into the playoffs by the end of that second year."

Fans: "Meh."

Reality is that Danny didn't want this outcome.  If you listened to any interview he gave over the past couple years, he's been pretty straight-forward in his desire to land an impact player or two through the draft.   We got rid of Pierce/KG with hopes of bottoming out in 2013-14.  We waited extra long to bring back Rondo and then found excuses not to play in him back-to-backs (ironically, we were worse in games Rondo played).   We really wanted someone like Wiggins or Parker.   Got unlucky and got the consolation prize of Marcus Smart.

Tried again this year where there were some ideal big men prospects at the top of the draft (Okafor, Townes, etc).   Traded everyone who supposedly was keeping this team mediocre.  Goodbye Rondo.  Goodbye Green.   Took back nothing substantial short-term.   Goal was obviously to bottom out.   Ainge publicly admitted that he saw no purpose in making the playoffs with a below .500 record and then getting thrashed.   Thanks to Brad Stevens and some addition by subtraction, the team greatly overachieved.   That wasn't Danny's intention at all.  He did everything he possibly could to set up a bottom 3 team.  This team is comprised of role players.  There might not be a single player on this roster who would start for a contender.   The plan was to be horrible. 

The only thing you can maybe fault him for is the Thomas trade, but I think that was a big picture trade.  He saw that Thomas could have more trade value than what he gave up... so he jumped at an opportunity to buy low. 

The way this season has played out is going to make Danny's job much harder.  I'm sure he's not thrilled about it.  Maybe he can leverage a playoff appearance into a free agent sales pitch, but who knows.  I'm certain Ainge would have preferred to land a top 4 pick this year.

Ainge didn't do anything dramatically different than Philly.  Philly just had the nerve to draft injured players, fill out the roster with d-leaguers and embrace a losing culture for a couple seasons.   I think Brad Stevens was a great hire for us long-term, but I think it had the short-term effect of causing a bit of conflicting agendas.   Stevens wants to win.  Ainge wants to keep Stevens happy.  Ainge wants to lose short-term.  That's a hard thing to balance.  Didn't want to scare off Stevens or create a negative environment.   Philly's managed to keep spirits up in spite of the losses, because they run that team like a basketball camp for developing kids.  The players know that short-term success is irrelevant.  They just need to work on their areas of focus and continue to improve.  That wasn't going to be a role that fit Stevens.

A little too blunt but yeah this is basically what has happened. Stevens has proven to be too good a coach lol He has taken a team with average to above average players far beyond many could have imagined. A playoff team even in the East in year 2? Not many coaches in the league could do that. Ainge's next job is to land a legit #1 option and a good #2 to go along with it. That's the hardest task to a rebuild tho
You guys are mostly right, but for one factor. The fact that this talentless team has gone something like 22-12 since removing Green/Rondo proves that they may not be so talentless as it seems. Had this team bottomed out (assume IT trade doesnt happen) it would mean that the teams individuals did not improve. Instead we found that these guys are better than we thought. Based on his recent play, ET has upped his value significantly from this offseason, Zeller and IT4 have proven to be steals absolute steals. AB has continued to improve on O and has gotten back to the D that made him a notable player coming into the league.

Had we sucked and gotten say the #5 pick it probably would mean that
1. Brad isnt as good as we hoped
2. The only thing on the team worth keeping is Smart
2a. None of our other players have any value cus they just sucked for a year
3. AB is overpaid
4. Oh dear God we need to nail this pick. If we get a  star we are in good position if not we are trending towards Charlotte or Sacremento

Instead
1. Brad is one of the best at maximizing talent
2. Smart, AB, Zeller, KO, Sully (think back to preinjury), IT4 could all be keepers
2a. ET and everyone listed above are now at least decent trade pieces
3. AB is underpaid, IT4 probably is too
4. [dang], this pick will probably turn into another solid but not great player
5. All our keepers above will have the experience of a tight playoff race and a playoff series


One final point, I used to see the line "If we dont tank we wont find a superstar and we will just end up like the Hawks" I dont see that line a lot anymore.

Where was Al Horford drafted? Curious since this seems to be a point people forget. He's one of the best big men in the league when healthy. Boston has no one near that talent level. Only one way to do that for a mid market team like the Celtics. Tank fast, tank hard. Get the elite talent through the draft.

Re: Enjoy the quick fix. Danny set this franchise back.
« Reply #67 on: April 11, 2015, 09:17:42 PM »

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Danny: "Over the next two years I'm going to completely turn over the roster, getting rid of every declining veteran and filling the roster with a bunch of 26-and-under prospects. I'm also going to accumulate the biggest stockpile of first round picks in the league. And, I'll do all that while getting us back into the playoffs by the end of that second year."

Fans: "Meh."

Reality is that Danny didn't want this outcome.  If you listened to any interview he gave over the past couple years, he's been pretty straight-forward in his desire to land an impact player or two through the draft.   We got rid of Pierce/KG with hopes of bottoming out in 2013-14.  We waited extra long to bring back Rondo and then found excuses not to play in him back-to-backs (ironically, we were worse in games Rondo played).   We really wanted someone like Wiggins or Parker.   Got unlucky and got the consolation prize of Marcus Smart.

Tried again this year where there were some ideal big men prospects at the top of the draft (Okafor, Townes, etc).   Traded everyone who supposedly was keeping this team mediocre.  Goodbye Rondo.  Goodbye Green.   Took back nothing substantial short-term.   Goal was obviously to bottom out.   Ainge publicly admitted that he saw no purpose in making the playoffs with a below .500 record and then getting thrashed.   Thanks to Brad Stevens and some addition by subtraction, the team greatly overachieved.   That wasn't Danny's intention at all.  He did everything he possibly could to set up a bottom 3 team.  This team is comprised of role players.  There might not be a single player on this roster who would start for a contender.   The plan was to be horrible. 

The only thing you can maybe fault him for is the Thomas trade, but I think that was a big picture trade.  He saw that Thomas could have more trade value than what he gave up... so he jumped at an opportunity to buy low. 

The way this season has played out is going to make Danny's job much harder.  I'm sure he's not thrilled about it.  Maybe he can leverage a playoff appearance into a free agent sales pitch, but who knows.  I'm certain Ainge would have preferred to land a top 4 pick this year.

Ainge didn't do anything dramatically different than Philly.  Philly just had the nerve to draft injured players, fill out the roster with d-leaguers and embrace a losing culture for a couple seasons.   I think Brad Stevens was a great hire for us long-term, but I think it had the short-term effect of causing a bit of conflicting agendas.   Stevens wants to win.  Ainge wants to keep Stevens happy.  Ainge wants to lose short-term.  That's a hard thing to balance.  Didn't want to scare off Stevens or create a negative environment.   Philly's managed to keep spirits up in spite of the losses, because they run that team like a basketball camp for developing kids.  The players know that short-term success is irrelevant.  They just need to work on their areas of focus and continue to improve.  That wasn't going to be a role that fit Stevens.

A little too blunt but yeah this is basically what has happened. Stevens has proven to be too good a coach lol He has taken a team with average to above average players far beyond many could have imagined. A playoff team even in the East in year 2? Not many coaches in the league could do that. Ainge's next job is to land a legit #1 option and a good #2 to go along with it. That's the hardest task to a rebuild tho
You guys are mostly right, but for one factor. The fact that this talentless team has gone something like 22-12 since removing Green/Rondo proves that they may not be so talentless as it seems. Had this team bottomed out (assume IT trade doesnt happen) it would mean that the teams individuals did not improve. Instead we found that these guys are better than we thought. Based on his recent play, ET has upped his value significantly from this offseason, Zeller and IT4 have proven to be steals absolute steals. AB has continued to improve on O and has gotten back to the D that made him a notable player coming into the league.

Had we sucked and gotten say the #5 pick it probably would mean that
1. Brad isnt as good as we hoped
2. The only thing on the team worth keeping is Smart
2a. None of our other players have any value cus they just sucked for a year
3. AB is overpaid
4. Oh dear God we need to nail this pick. If we get a  star we are in good position if not we are trending towards Charlotte or Sacremento

Instead
1. Brad is one of the best at maximizing talent
2. Smart, AB, Zeller, KO, Sully (think back to preinjury), IT4 could all be keepers
2a. ET and everyone listed above are now at least decent trade pieces
3. AB is underpaid, IT4 probably is too
4. [dang], this pick will probably turn into another solid but not great player
5. All our keepers above will have the experience of a tight playoff race and a playoff series


One final point, I used to see the line "If we dont tank we wont find a superstar and we will just end up like the Hawks" I dont see that line a lot anymore.

Where was Al Horford drafted? Curious since this seems to be a point people forget. He's one of the best big men in the league when healthy. Boston has no one near that talent level. Only one way to do that for a mid market team like the Celtics. Tank fast, tank hard. Get the elite talent through the draft.

But the Celtics tanked last year and got Banks 2.0! ;D

Re: Enjoy the quick fix. Danny set this franchise back.
« Reply #68 on: April 11, 2015, 09:17:50 PM »

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speaking of hortford, is he a FA this summer? i like his game, can we sign him?

Re: Enjoy the quick fix. Danny set this franchise back.
« Reply #69 on: April 11, 2015, 09:23:01 PM »

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Ainge doesn't put all his resources into one plan.  Hence, all-out tanking was never in the cards.

If that had been the plan, there wouldn't have been a trade for Isaiah and the team would have cut Bass and Prince after the deadline.

I can understand the frustration with the Celtics' lack of a specific direction aside from asset acquisition.  But it may play out better than the Sixers, with less bad basketball.
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Re: Enjoy the quick fix. Danny set this franchise back.
« Reply #70 on: April 11, 2015, 09:47:19 PM »

Offline mahcus smaht

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Danny: "Over the next two years I'm going to completely turn over the roster, getting rid of every declining veteran and filling the roster with a bunch of 26-and-under prospects. I'm also going to accumulate the biggest stockpile of first round picks in the league. And, I'll do all that while getting us back into the playoffs by the end of that second year."

Fans: "Meh."

Reality is that Danny didn't want this outcome.  If you listened to any interview he gave over the past couple years, he's been pretty straight-forward in his desire to land an impact player or two through the draft.   We got rid of Pierce/KG with hopes of bottoming out in 2013-14.  We waited extra long to bring back Rondo and then found excuses not to play in him back-to-backs (ironically, we were worse in games Rondo played).   We really wanted someone like Wiggins or Parker.   Got unlucky and got the consolation prize of Marcus Smart.

Tried again this year where there were some ideal big men prospects at the top of the draft (Okafor, Townes, etc).   Traded everyone who supposedly was keeping this team mediocre.  Goodbye Rondo.  Goodbye Green.   Took back nothing substantial short-term.   Goal was obviously to bottom out.   Ainge publicly admitted that he saw no purpose in making the playoffs with a below .500 record and then getting thrashed.   Thanks to Brad Stevens and some addition by subtraction, the team greatly overachieved.   That wasn't Danny's intention at all.  He did everything he possibly could to set up a bottom 3 team.  This team is comprised of role players.  There might not be a single player on this roster who would start for a contender.   The plan was to be horrible. 

The only thing you can maybe fault him for is the Thomas trade, but I think that was a big picture trade.  He saw that Thomas could have more trade value than what he gave up... so he jumped at an opportunity to buy low. 

The way this season has played out is going to make Danny's job much harder.  I'm sure he's not thrilled about it.  Maybe he can leverage a playoff appearance into a free agent sales pitch, but who knows.  I'm certain Ainge would have preferred to land a top 4 pick this year.

Ainge didn't do anything dramatically different than Philly.  Philly just had the nerve to draft injured players, fill out the roster with d-leaguers and embrace a losing culture for a couple seasons.   I think Brad Stevens was a great hire for us long-term, but I think it had the short-term effect of causing a bit of conflicting agendas.   Stevens wants to win.  Ainge wants to keep Stevens happy.  Ainge wants to lose short-term.  That's a hard thing to balance.  Didn't want to scare off Stevens or create a negative environment.   Philly's managed to keep spirits up in spite of the losses, because they run that team like a basketball camp for developing kids.  The players know that short-term success is irrelevant.  They just need to work on their areas of focus and continue to improve.  That wasn't going to be a role that fit Stevens.

A little too blunt but yeah this is basically what has happened. Stevens has proven to be too good a coach lol He has taken a team with average to above average players far beyond many could have imagined. A playoff team even in the East in year 2? Not many coaches in the league could do that. Ainge's next job is to land a legit #1 option and a good #2 to go along with it. That's the hardest task to a rebuild tho
You guys are mostly right, but for one factor. The fact that this talentless team has gone something like 22-12 since removing Green/Rondo proves that they may not be so talentless as it seems. Had this team bottomed out (assume IT trade doesnt happen) it would mean that the teams individuals did not improve. Instead we found that these guys are better than we thought. Based on his recent play, ET has upped his value significantly from this offseason, Zeller and IT4 have proven to be steals absolute steals. AB has continued to improve on O and has gotten back to the D that made him a notable player coming into the league.

Had we sucked and gotten say the #5 pick it probably would mean that
1. Brad isnt as good as we hoped
2. The only thing on the team worth keeping is Smart
2a. None of our other players have any value cus they just sucked for a year
3. AB is overpaid
4. Oh dear God we need to nail this pick. If we get a  star we are in good position if not we are trending towards Charlotte or Sacremento

Instead
1. Brad is one of the best at maximizing talent
2. Smart, AB, Zeller, KO, Sully (think back to preinjury), IT4 could all be keepers
2a. ET and everyone listed above are now at least decent trade pieces
3. AB is underpaid, IT4 probably is too
4. [dang], this pick will probably turn into another solid but not great player
5. All our keepers above will have the experience of a tight playoff race and a playoff series


One final point, I used to see the line "If we dont tank we wont find a superstar and we will just end up like the Hawks" I dont see that line a lot anymore.

Where was Al Horford drafted? Curious since this seems to be a point people forget. He's one of the best big men in the league when healthy. Boston has no one near that talent level. Only one way to do that for a mid market team like the Celtics. Tank fast, tank hard. Get the elite talent through the draft.

But the Celtics tanked last year and got Banks 2.0! ;D
Im well aware Al Horford was the #3 selection. However, he is in his 8th year now. Selecting Horford in the top 3 is ancient history. That rebuilding effort built around a "star" in Johnson, a top 3 pick in Horford another top 3 pick in Marvin Williams and a "star" in Josh Smith failed! the new strategy built around a complement of very good players playing in a very good system is succeeding!!!

If the 06 Hawks existed today C's blog would bone the crap out of them. They had Marvin Williams the 2nd pick of just a year ago, Josh Smith a player out of HS 2 years prior who was crazy athletic and putting up 16 an 9s looking like a star, they had also acquired star shooting gaurd Joe Johnson, one of the NBAs elite scores and on top of this they were tanking for a top pick. Look what happened, it didnt work. They rebuilt by acquiring depth and solid players all over the court in a good system look what happened. It worked!

Also the whole Danny's set us back thing is complete BS. He traded every good vet except for Bass who literally no one wanted then he added IT4. Had we not kept Bass and passed up IT I see us at no higher than pick #10 at the best. Would I trade #15 and IT4 to get pick #10? Im sure many would but I wouldnt thats for sure.

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« Reply #71 on: April 11, 2015, 10:06:22 PM »

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Since when is Boston a mid market team?

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« Reply #72 on: April 11, 2015, 10:50:47 PM »

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Since when is Boston a mid market team?

Boston is a bit hard to classify.  In terms of market size, it's large.  In terms of how it would rank as far as appeal to NBA free agents, it's in the middle, or maybe the bottom third. 
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« Reply #73 on: April 11, 2015, 10:57:26 PM »

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If you still consider Horford part of a rebuild because he was a #3 pick eight years ago (or whenever), then we already have a #2 pick in Evan Turner. We're set.

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« Reply #74 on: April 12, 2015, 12:58:55 AM »

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If it makes the op feel any better, next year the east should be better (barring inevitable injuries) and in turn, the Celtics will probably have a lesser chance of making the playoffs (barring any summer fireworks) and thus upping the tanking probability.

-Indiana will have Paul George fully healthy and a lottery pick. I'm predicting they'll make a push for Lance Stephenson this summer with his value as low as it is (Feel free to disagree)
-Milwaukee will have year 3 of the Greek Freak and Jabari will be back and they've got other young talent that will get better (I predict they'll retain Middleton and they'll work things out with MCW).
-Miami will have Bosh/Wade/Whiteside/Dragic/Deng/McRoberts at full strength next year, That potentially is a deadly 6 that never played a minute together this year.
-Detroit will have their first full year post Josh Smith, year 4 of Andre Drummond, year 2 of SVG, Reggie Jackson, Brandon Jennings, KCP, and so forth. They'll be better. I left Monroe out because I don't think they'll re-sign him.
-Orlando has a nice young core around them and if they get a competent coach and make good on their pick (Justice Winslow anyone?), they could be a surprise next season.

Brooklyn and Charlotte will keep fighting even though they aren't that good, but they'll be in playoff contention regardless because they aren't aiming to tank.

Factor in Atlanta, Cleveland, Chicago, Toronto and Washington at the top of the east, and I think things will be harder next year for the Celtics. Not to sound like a Debbie Downer though. I love this team and love that they fight every night.

As much as I don't want it, I do think the push for tanking could come back with the vengeance next year.