If we draft a SF (Johnson, Winslow), What happens to Crowder?

[MikeJelly]

I really like crowder a lot. Hustles every play on both ends on the floor. He's young. He Really sums up Celtic Pride and he loves it here.

But heres the problem. If we draft a high potential SF such as Johnson or Winslow, where does Crowder go? Our backup SF will be ET (once the draft pick starts to earn starter mins).

I would like to keep Jae on a cheap deal but idk where he fits. Someone wanna help me with this?

PS I know Johnson/Winslow both seem like Pipe dreams but maybe if we move up. I really like Winslow (We needed some Justise for our old Truth lol)

[saltlover]

Crowder is a free agent.  A restricted one, but it's not impossible he gets an offer the C's don't want to match, so that's the first thing.
 
Secondly, a rookie isn't likely going to take a lot of minutes initially, even on a mediocre team.  But if and when he does, and Crowder is still here, you will also see a cut in ET's minutes, and down further in the guard rotation, in addition to Crowder's.  Say the draftee ends up earning 25 minutes a night -- I think those 25 minutes will come from Crowder, ET, AB, Smart, and IT.  ET will play more PG and SG, which means a little less for the other three guards.

James Young is the one who really hopes we don't draft a SF.  His nonexistent minutes will never return, and will need a trade to see the court.

[manl_lui]

I'd want him back as a backup SF. This is a glue guy, brings energy day in and day out. Him and Smart needs to be part of the cornerstone going forward imo

[chambers]

I'd want him back as a backup SF. This is a glue guy, brings energy day in and day out. Him and Smart needs to be part of the cornerstone going forward imo

I agree.
I'd hope we could get away with something like 4 years and $16 million for him.

Your point about their attitude and energy is exactly why I love Smart and Crowder too- both hustle guys that prove if you work hard, it will pay off. Take both players 3 point shooting for example- much improved.
Having both of them in the locker room as we try and build a decent team would be +EV.

I would absolutely love Winslow as a cornerstone piece on this team. He reminds me of Smart and Crowder. Hustles both ends and never takes plays off.

[hwangjini_1]

Crowder is a free agent.  A restricted one, but it's not impossible he gets an offer the C's don't want to match, so that's the first thing.
 
Secondly, a rookie isn't likely going to take a lot of minutes initially, even on a mediocre team.  But if and when he does, and Crowder is still here, you will also see a cut in ET's minutes, and down further in the guard rotation, in addition to Crowder's.  Say the draftee ends up earning 25 minutes a night -- I think those 25 minutes will come from Crowder, ET, AB, Smart, and IT.  ET will play more PG and SG, which means a little less for the other three guards.

James Young is the one who really hopes we don't draft a SF.  His nonexistent minutes will never return, and will need a trade to see the court.

i'm in basic agreement, though perhaps not as strongly as presented in your case here. young looks to be talented, but needs a year or two to really show development beyond shooting 3s, if ever.

if the celtics get lucky and get johnson, et al there is still room for young. there is always room for a good shooter.

as back up sf he could earn 16 minutes a night. as back up sg another 16 minutes. he has the flexibility to be a great scorer off the bench in two positions, which is valuable and something CBS seems to like. it gives the teams more combinations of players and different matchups.

then again, young might blossom into a star and push johnson et al off the court. not a bad problem to have. 

[Evantime34]

I think if we draft a SF, that isn't Winslow that player will need time to develop and it won't have an immediate effect on Crowder.

Either way I think Crowder is bench player going forward regardless of who we draft.

[saltlover]

Crowder is a free agent.  A restricted one, but it's not impossible he gets an offer the C's don't want to match, so that's the first thing.
 
Secondly, a rookie isn't likely going to take a lot of minutes initially, even on a mediocre team.  But if and when he does, and Crowder is still here, you will also see a cut in ET's minutes, and down further in the guard rotation, in addition to Crowder's.  Say the draftee ends up earning 25 minutes a night -- I think those 25 minutes will come from Crowder, ET, AB, Smart, and IT.  ET will play more PG and SG, which means a little less for the other three guards.

James Young is the one who really hopes we don't draft a SF.  His nonexistent minutes will never return, and will need a trade to see the court.

i'm in basic agreement, though perhaps not as strongly as presented in your case here. young looks to be talented, but needs a year or two to really show development beyond shooting 3s, if ever.

if the celtics get lucky and get johnson, et al there is still room for young. there is always room for a good shooter.

as back up sf he could earn 16 minutes a night. as back up sg another 16 minutes. he has the flexibility to be a great scorer off the bench in two positions, which is valuable and something CBS seems to like. it gives the teams more combinations of players and different matchups.

then again, young might blossom into a star and push johnson et al off the court. not a bad problem to have. 

Fine, there's a little hyperbole, but not much.  Even if we don't draft a SF, he's in trouble for minutes next year.  Stevens sounds like he's going to battle to keep Datome next year as well.  If Young doesn't take a major step forward this summer, he'll have to wait for an injury, or maybe two, to get his chance.  And it's not his shot falling that will get him that chance -- it's being aware on the defensive end.  If he's out on the court for 10 minutes a game, he's probably not taking more than 5 shots, but if he plays poor defense, he'll negatively affect every possession on that end.  That's why Smart gets to work through his offensive inconsistencies -- he positively impacts most possessions on defense, and doesn't touch the ball every possession on offense.

[loco_91]

I like Crowder a lot, but I think he would be gone if we picked Johnson (or, ping-pong gods willing, Winslow). That would leave us with Johnson, ET, AB and Young as a wing rotation, with Smart probably getting some SG minutes too. It wouldn't be impossible to find minutes for Crowder, but wouldn't he contribute more to a team that actually needs a wing? I'd expect Danny to make a lowball offer, and if we get him for cheap, great, otherwise he can take his talents elsewhere and we'll spend the minutes developing our young talent.

[marlon.oddo]

Fortunately for the Cs, we have a decent amount of talent at SF.  I think it's clear that Crowder is more comfortable coming off the bench.  We should have roster spots open next year (Shav and Wallace should be gone), so the rook will probably be brought along slowly.

This scenario also presumes that Crowder is re-signed to a contract the Cs can live with.  ET is expiring next year.  Crowder is a better defender and 3 point shooter than Turner but Turner is a better passer, mid-range shooter and rebounder.  If the rook shows signs of being a really good player and a future starter, the Cs probably trade or let Turner go.

I think Young has absolutely no future at SF.  I think he'll either be a 2 or nothing.

[oldutican]

Celts don't have enough talent to be worrying about PT and the need for a guy like Crowder. Keep him at market value and he will keep earning PT. Plus the way things are falling, the most likely SF draftees will be Oubre and Dekker, not Johnson or Winslow.

[CFAN38]

I really like crowder a lot. Hustles every play on both ends on the floor. He's young. He Really sums up Celtic Pride and he loves it here.

But heres the problem. If we draft a high potential SF such as Johnson or Winslow, where does Crowder go? Our backup SF will be ET (once the draft pick starts to earn starter mins).

I would like to keep Jae on a cheap deal but idk where he fits. Someone wanna help me with this?

PS I know Johnson/Winslow both seem like Pipe dreams but maybe if we move up. I really like Winslow (We needed some Justise for our old Truth lol)

I feel the same can be said for every front court position. SF, PF and C are all question marks moving forward.

SF
Crowder has a great role player skill set and is a perfect backup SF/small ball PF but their are a number of higher ceiling SFs in this draft who can play that role and develop beyond it. Turner has been great but my gut tells me he isn't a long term solution as a starter. As Smart develops Turners greatest asset his ball-handling will no longer be needed. Making him a less then ideal fit. Young really will need to earn the backup minutes at the SG and SF scraps next year to keep in the long term plans ( I think he will).

PF/C
It will be interesting to see where DA goes with this. He has drafted two productive young
(though flawed) Bigs in KO and Sully while stealing another Zeller. Jerebko and Bass both have been playing well and seem like nice fits with BS. DA may very well find himself sitting at draft day with Lyles, Poetlt, Looney or Turner as the BPA. Not to mention Harrell who I think is NBA ready and should be left sitting there in the early 20s to trade up for. If the Cs draft one of the young guys there likely wont play next season but their potential would likely limit the contracts offered to Jerbko or Bass   

[acieEarl]

I don't think we're going to have this problem as I can't see either of these guys being around when we draft.

If somehow they are, you gotta take Winslow, then Johnson if they're available. Gotta take the best available player regardless if they are redundant with the players that we have. I'd love to see us resign Crowder to a 2 or 3 reasonable year deal even if we sign one of these guys.

[Csfan1984]

Crowder is gone either way

[JHTruth]

Well Johnson and Winslow will be long gone by our pick. We'll be picking around 15, or about an 85% bust rate. Keep Crowder as insurance..

[JHTruth]

I'd want him back as a backup SF. This is a glue guy, brings energy day in and day out. Him and Smart needs to be part of the cornerstone going forward imo

I agree.
I'd hope we could get away with something like 4 years and $16 million for him.

Your point about their attitude and energy is exactly why I love Smart and Crowder too- both hustle guys that prove if you work hard, it will pay off. Take both players 3 point shooting for example- much improved.
Having both of them in the locker room as we try and build a decent team would be +EV.

I would absolutely love Winslow as a cornerstone piece on this team. He reminds me of Smart and Crowder. Hustles both ends and never takes plays off.

Winslow will be a top 5 pick. We have no shot at him. We'll be around 15 most likely. Our prospects are Oubre, Booker, Dunn Grant