The love affair with Philadelphia

[Who]

Their strategy seems to be built upon the premise that you need to draft a franchise superstar to compete and it's a mistake to get better and decrease your chances of drafting that superstar until you think you have him.  It makes sense if you feel that drafting a franchise player is an indispensable step.  (I don't think it is a necessary step.)

If you accept that premise, you should ask how long it takes before it becomes clear that a player you have drafted has superstar potential.  How many franchise players didn't look like potential franchise players after two years?

I am not sure that is their strategy.

Their strategy is to build through the draft and not move forward until they have a good base to build around.

That may include a franchise player. That may not.

What most teams that build through the lottery want is either (1) franchise player, and/or, (2) multiple top five picks to build around.

I think the 2nd option (multiple top five picks) is the one as a GM that you plan around. Kinda a "hope for the best, plan for the worst" scenario when building through the draft. Worst case = you put yourself in position to draft multiple All-Star talents and build a balanced team around them. Best case scenario = you land a franchise player and hopefully even have a few young up and coming stars to go with him.

That to me is how you build through the draft.

Now, maybe Philly aren't doing that and are only gunning for a franchise player. That would surprise me but it's possible. Time will tell.

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Their strategy seems to be built upon the premise that you need to draft a franchise superstar to compete and it's a mistake to get better and decrease your chances of drafting that superstar until you think you have him

To follow through on this thought = this is the same in the 2nd option (drafting multiple top five picks). You don't want to get too good too quickly before you amass multiple picks in this area of the draft. You need to stay bad enough for long enough to get those multiple picks so that you have a strong talent base to move forward with even if you do strike out on the superstar draft choice.

When building through the draft, it is important to stay bad until you have a nucleus of young talent you feel confident building around that can push on to being a high level playoff team to title contender down the road.

[KeepRondo]

I don't think you can say that, I mean MCW himself was the 11th pick in what many consider a very weak draft.  So unless the Lakers go from terrible to very good (like in the playoffs good) in one off season, the trade at best would be a wash.  I just don't see LA making the playoffs next year.  Even if they sign Rondo and Love, I don't think they make the playoffs.

It's not the same to say "oh, MCW was 11 in a weak draft, so if they get #11 next year it'll be a wash."  By that logic, the Jazz should be on board to send us Gobert for the Clippers pick, since it'd be a wash, as he was 27 overall.  MCW had become a capable NBA point guard in 1.5 seasons.  Is he a future superstar?  No, probably not.  But he's already offered more NBA value than most #11 picks going back the last 15 years.  (It's Klay Thompson, JJ Redick, and not much else).  MCW had improved beyond the point of being a risk to bust out of the NBA, and still has two full years on his rookie deal. That's good value.

Meanwhile, the Sixers are continuing their trudge through irrelevance, wasting Noel's rookie deal.  I wouldn't be remotely surprised if one of Noel or Embiid is traded in the next year. They're just wasting the biggest value of rookie deals, which is cap flexibility.  Missing the forest for the trees.

Careful. If you use too much logic on here, the Sixers fans won't respond to you. 

[KeepRondo]

76ers just going though the motions of TRYIng to play basketball.   That's great entertainment .   Putting together a program based on losing .   . 

That's good value and something cheer for and pay to see? Yeah right.

If the Celtics did this , I would not be buying tickets and wouldn't pay for league pass to watch d leaguers and this years first round player stumble around getting destroyed.

So how many years do they idle along , pretending to be a basketball team , waiting for the next MJ to happen along.   There is way more to team than just getting a few first round lottery picks , of course if your only a lad .....your brain would have any reference for how the real world works.

It some point ...they need to man up ...quit the bull and play the game ....like professionals



So they are professional screw up team ......wow that's something to be proud of ......bunch of losers.

I agree it looks bad. They're never going to build a great team if they refuse to give guys time to develop. The "you are not a star in 2 years trading you" strategy seems horrible. Veteran teams win titles not 3 and 4 year players. Believe avg age of modern day championship teams is 28. And no teams since 70s haven't done it at under effective age of 26. That means guys the guys you rely on are 5+ year pros. Philly strategy of draft high is nice but can't sit there just waiting to hit big.

They traded MCW because he was a very offensively inefficient PG and they got a very good Lakers pick in return.  Noel has looked better offensively after the trade with Ish Smith at PG.  Hinkie obviously didn't think MCW would develop into the kind of player he wants as their future PG.  If they held onto MCW, the most likely outcome would be that he'd remain an inefficient PG and his trade value would plummet. 

McDaniels was traded because he didn't sign a team friendly deal like most 2nd rounders do.  He wasn't going to overpay to keep McDaniels, a role player at best, so he traded him for some return. 

Besides MCW and McDaniels, I don't see anyone else you could be referring to.  They are developing Noel quite well and at the end of the season moved him back to PF to try to get him ready to play with Embiid.

Unless the Lakers are extremely unlucky and two teams jump them in the lottery, this will most likely be a bad trade.

How so? They didn't think they'd be getting the pick this year anyways. It rolls over to a top 3 protection next year.

They will get Randall back, another top 5 pick, Kobe and a potential free agent. They may even trade their pick this year to get another established player.

Good luck hoping that all those things actually make them worse next year.

[KeepRondo]

76ers just going though the motions of TRYIng to play basketball.   That's great entertainment .   Putting together a program based on losing .   . 

That's good value and something cheer for and pay to see? Yeah right.

If the Celtics did this , I would not be buying tickets and wouldn't pay for league pass to watch d leaguers and this years first round player stumble around getting destroyed.

So how many years do they idle along , pretending to be a basketball team , waiting for the next MJ to happen along.   There is way more to team than just getting a few first round lottery picks , of course if your only a lad .....your brain would have any reference for how the real world works.

It some point ...they need to man up ...quit the bull and play the game ....like professionals



So they are professional screw up team ......wow that's something to be proud of ......bunch of losers.

I agree it looks bad. They're never going to build a great team if they refuse to give guys time to develop. The "you are not a star in 2 years trading you" strategy seems horrible. Veteran teams win titles not 3 and 4 year players. Believe avg age of modern day championship teams is 28. And no teams since 70s haven't done it at under effective age of 26. That means guys the guys you rely on are 5+ year pros. Philly strategy of draft high is nice but can't sit there just waiting to hit big.

They traded MCW because he was a very offensively inefficient PG and they got a very good Lakers pick in return.  Noel has looked better offensively after the trade with Ish Smith at PG.  Hinkie obviously didn't think MCW would develop into the kind of player he wants as their future PG.  If they held onto MCW, the most likely outcome would be that he'd remain an inefficient PG and his trade value would plummet. 

McDaniels was traded because he didn't sign a team friendly deal like most 2nd rounders do.  He wasn't going to overpay to keep McDaniels, a role player at best, so he traded him for some return. 

Besides MCW and McDaniels, I don't see anyone else you could be referring to.  They are developing Noel quite well and at the end of the season moved him back to PF to try to get him ready to play with Embiid.

Time will tell. Sixers fans seem to be real certain about bust and stars. If the guys he dumped keep developing into solid players what will be the excuse, he didn't tear up the league at 21? He better find the next Superstar fast because Noel with his same offense woes as MCW and McDaniels may be shown the door next. Then what are sixer fans to do? Will they soon give up all their tickets to the games? What was the attendance there this year? Just be mindful of the teams direction don't be blind. You can be critical of a home team. I hate that C's "couldn't" tank this year because tank war was crazy. I still dislike Hinks followers claiming boom and bust about players that have yet to get real shots.

What guys has Hinkie dumped that have developed any more than what they already were?  The Bucks have lost a bunch of games since acquiring MCW.  McDaniels has hardly played for Houston.  Assessing the potential and value of players is part of a GM's job.  You can't just keep players around year after year hoping that they'll develop eventually and you shouldn't overpay for role players, even young ones.  I've seen a lot of Sixers bashers say how bad it is they traded McDaniels but I haven't seen any of them say that we should go after McDaniels in free agency.

The Bucks have also started to play pretty good as of late. And MCW has been a big part of that reason.

[tazzmaniac]

76ers just going though the motions of TRYIng to play basketball.   That's great entertainment .   Putting together a program based on losing .   . 

That's good value and something cheer for and pay to see? Yeah right.

If the Celtics did this , I would not be buying tickets and wouldn't pay for league pass to watch d leaguers and this years first round player stumble around getting destroyed.

So how many years do they idle along , pretending to be a basketball team , waiting for the next MJ to happen along.   There is way more to team than just getting a few first round lottery picks , of course if your only a lad .....your brain would have any reference for how the real world works.

It some point ...they need to man up ...quit the bull and play the game ....like professionals



So they are professional screw up team ......wow that's something to be proud of ......bunch of losers.

I agree it looks bad. They're never going to build a great team if they refuse to give guys time to develop. The "you are not a star in 2 years trading you" strategy seems horrible. Veteran teams win titles not 3 and 4 year players. Believe avg age of modern day championship teams is 28. And no teams since 70s haven't done it at under effective age of 26. That means guys the guys you rely on are 5+ year pros. Philly strategy of draft high is nice but can't sit there just waiting to hit big.

They traded MCW because he was a very offensively inefficient PG and they got a very good Lakers pick in return.  Noel has looked better offensively after the trade with Ish Smith at PG.  Hinkie obviously didn't think MCW would develop into the kind of player he wants as their future PG.  If they held onto MCW, the most likely outcome would be that he'd remain an inefficient PG and his trade value would plummet. 

McDaniels was traded because he didn't sign a team friendly deal like most 2nd rounders do.  He wasn't going to overpay to keep McDaniels, a role player at best, so he traded him for some return. 

Besides MCW and McDaniels, I don't see anyone else you could be referring to.  They are developing Noel quite well and at the end of the season moved him back to PF to try to get him ready to play with Embiid.

Time will tell. Sixers fans seem to be real certain about bust and stars. If the guys he dumped keep developing into solid players what will be the excuse, he didn't tear up the league at 21? He better find the next Superstar fast because Noel with his same offense woes as MCW and McDaniels may be shown the door next. Then what are sixer fans to do? Will they soon give up all their tickets to the games? What was the attendance there this year? Just be mindful of the teams direction don't be blind. You can be critical of a home team. I hate that C's "couldn't" tank this year because tank war was crazy. I still dislike Hinks followers claiming boom and bust about players that have yet to get real shots.

What guys has Hinkie dumped that have developed any more than what they already were?  The Bucks have lost a bunch of games since acquiring MCW.  McDaniels has hardly played for Houston.  Assessing the potential and value of players is part of a GM's job.  You can't just keep players around year after year hoping that they'll develop eventually and you shouldn't overpay for role players, even young ones.  I've seen a lot of Sixers bashers say how bad it is they traded McDaniels but I haven't seen any of them say that we should go after McDaniels in free agency.

The Bucks have also started to play pretty good as of late. And MCW has been a big part of that reason.

The Buck were 30-23 at the ASG break so they finished up 11-18.  If you just look at the April numbers, it looks better but that is being very selective.  April numbers can often be distorted.   MCW's fg% in April was 50.9 but his next highest monthly total was 40.5.  Maybe Kidd has worked some miracle on MCW's shooting but I think it is most likely an aberration. 

[tazzmaniac]

76ers just going though the motions of TRYIng to play basketball.   That's great entertainment .   Putting together a program based on losing .   . 

That's good value and something cheer for and pay to see? Yeah right.

If the Celtics did this , I would not be buying tickets and wouldn't pay for league pass to watch d leaguers and this years first round player stumble around getting destroyed.

So how many years do they idle along , pretending to be a basketball team , waiting for the next MJ to happen along.   There is way more to team than just getting a few first round lottery picks , of course if your only a lad .....your brain would have any reference for how the real world works.

It some point ...they need to man up ...quit the bull and play the game ....like professionals



So they are professional screw up team ......wow that's something to be proud of ......bunch of losers.

I agree it looks bad. They're never going to build a great team if they refuse to give guys time to develop. The "you are not a star in 2 years trading you" strategy seems horrible. Veteran teams win titles not 3 and 4 year players. Believe avg age of modern day championship teams is 28. And no teams since 70s haven't done it at under effective age of 26. That means guys the guys you rely on are 5+ year pros. Philly strategy of draft high is nice but can't sit there just waiting to hit big.

They traded MCW because he was a very offensively inefficient PG and they got a very good Lakers pick in return.  Noel has looked better offensively after the trade with Ish Smith at PG.  Hinkie obviously didn't think MCW would develop into the kind of player he wants as their future PG.  If they held onto MCW, the most likely outcome would be that he'd remain an inefficient PG and his trade value would plummet. 

McDaniels was traded because he didn't sign a team friendly deal like most 2nd rounders do.  He wasn't going to overpay to keep McDaniels, a role player at best, so he traded him for some return. 

Besides MCW and McDaniels, I don't see anyone else you could be referring to.  They are developing Noel quite well and at the end of the season moved him back to PF to try to get him ready to play with Embiid.

Unless the Lakers are extremely unlucky and two teams jump them in the lottery, this will most likely be a bad trade.

How so? They didn't think they'd be getting the pick this year anyways. It rolls over to a top 3 protection next year.

They will get Randall back, another top 5 pick, Kobe and a potential free agent. They may even trade their pick this year to get another established player.

Good luck hoping that all those things actually make them worse next year.

Who said they would get worse?  I could see them passing Denver and Sacramento but that's about it without a lot of luck.  The pick will probably be in the 7-10 range.  Regarding their assets, Kobe was pretty bad in the games he played and he's missed most of the last two seasons.  Why would he be much better next season?  I don't see Randle after missing a full season and a true rookie (probably a freshman) contributing much to the Lakers win total.  A good free agent would help but I expect the best they'll get is Dragic/Rondo. 

[KeepRondo]

76ers just going though the motions of TRYIng to play basketball.   That's great entertainment .   Putting together a program based on losing .   . 

That's good value and something cheer for and pay to see? Yeah right.

If the Celtics did this , I would not be buying tickets and wouldn't pay for league pass to watch d leaguers and this years first round player stumble around getting destroyed.

So how many years do they idle along , pretending to be a basketball team , waiting for the next MJ to happen along.   There is way more to team than just getting a few first round lottery picks , of course if your only a lad .....your brain would have any reference for how the real world works.

It some point ...they need to man up ...quit the bull and play the game ....like professionals



So they are professional screw up team ......wow that's something to be proud of ......bunch of losers.

I agree it looks bad. They're never going to build a great team if they refuse to give guys time to develop. The "you are not a star in 2 years trading you" strategy seems horrible. Veteran teams win titles not 3 and 4 year players. Believe avg age of modern day championship teams is 28. And no teams since 70s haven't done it at under effective age of 26. That means guys the guys you rely on are 5+ year pros. Philly strategy of draft high is nice but can't sit there just waiting to hit big.

They traded MCW because he was a very offensively inefficient PG and they got a very good Lakers pick in return.  Noel has looked better offensively after the trade with Ish Smith at PG.  Hinkie obviously didn't think MCW would develop into the kind of player he wants as their future PG.  If they held onto MCW, the most likely outcome would be that he'd remain an inefficient PG and his trade value would plummet. 

McDaniels was traded because he didn't sign a team friendly deal like most 2nd rounders do.  He wasn't going to overpay to keep McDaniels, a role player at best, so he traded him for some return. 

Besides MCW and McDaniels, I don't see anyone else you could be referring to.  They are developing Noel quite well and at the end of the season moved him back to PF to try to get him ready to play with Embiid.

Time will tell. Sixers fans seem to be real certain about bust and stars. If the guys he dumped keep developing into solid players what will be the excuse, he didn't tear up the league at 21? He better find the next Superstar fast because Noel with his same offense woes as MCW and McDaniels may be shown the door next. Then what are sixer fans to do? Will they soon give up all their tickets to the games? What was the attendance there this year? Just be mindful of the teams direction don't be blind. You can be critical of a home team. I hate that C's "couldn't" tank this year because tank war was crazy. I still dislike Hinks followers claiming boom and bust about players that have yet to get real shots.

What guys has Hinkie dumped that have developed any more than what they already were?  The Bucks have lost a bunch of games since acquiring MCW.  McDaniels has hardly played for Houston.  Assessing the potential and value of players is part of a GM's job.  You can't just keep players around year after year hoping that they'll develop eventually and you shouldn't overpay for role players, even young ones.  I've seen a lot of Sixers bashers say how bad it is they traded McDaniels but I haven't seen any of them say that we should go after McDaniels in free agency.

The Bucks have also started to play pretty good as of late. And MCW has been a big part of that reason.

The Buck were 30-23 at the ASG break so they finished up 11-18.  If you just look at the April numbers, it looks better but that is being very selective.  April numbers can often be distorted.   MCW's fg% in April was 50.9 but his next highest monthly total was 40.5.  Maybe Kidd has worked some miracle on MCW's shooting but I think it is most likely an aberration.

I'm not surprised that there was a drop off as he was replacing their leading scorer and it's going to take time to settle in.

His shooting form also looks pretty good. I think there's potential for him to up that FG percentage.

[KeepRondo]

76ers just going though the motions of TRYIng to play basketball.   That's great entertainment .   Putting together a program based on losing .   . 

That's good value and something cheer for and pay to see? Yeah right.

If the Celtics did this , I would not be buying tickets and wouldn't pay for league pass to watch d leaguers and this years first round player stumble around getting destroyed.

So how many years do they idle along , pretending to be a basketball team , waiting for the next MJ to happen along.   There is way more to team than just getting a few first round lottery picks , of course if your only a lad .....your brain would have any reference for how the real world works.

It some point ...they need to man up ...quit the bull and play the game ....like professionals



So they are professional screw up team ......wow that's something to be proud of ......bunch of losers.

I agree it looks bad. They're never going to build a great team if they refuse to give guys time to develop. The "you are not a star in 2 years trading you" strategy seems horrible. Veteran teams win titles not 3 and 4 year players. Believe avg age of modern day championship teams is 28. And no teams since 70s haven't done it at under effective age of 26. That means guys the guys you rely on are 5+ year pros. Philly strategy of draft high is nice but can't sit there just waiting to hit big.

They traded MCW because he was a very offensively inefficient PG and they got a very good Lakers pick in return.  Noel has looked better offensively after the trade with Ish Smith at PG.  Hinkie obviously didn't think MCW would develop into the kind of player he wants as their future PG.  If they held onto MCW, the most likely outcome would be that he'd remain an inefficient PG and his trade value would plummet. 

McDaniels was traded because he didn't sign a team friendly deal like most 2nd rounders do.  He wasn't going to overpay to keep McDaniels, a role player at best, so he traded him for some return. 

Besides MCW and McDaniels, I don't see anyone else you could be referring to.  They are developing Noel quite well and at the end of the season moved him back to PF to try to get him ready to play with Embiid.

Unless the Lakers are extremely unlucky and two teams jump them in the lottery, this will most likely be a bad trade.

How so? They didn't think they'd be getting the pick this year anyways. It rolls over to a top 3 protection next year.

They will get Randall back, another top 5 pick, Kobe and a potential free agent. They may even trade their pick this year to get another established player.

Good luck hoping that all those things actually make them worse next year.

Who said they would get worse?  I could see them passing Denver and Sacramento but that's about it without a lot of luck.  The pick will probably be in the 7-10 range.  Regarding their assets, Kobe was pretty bad in the games he played and he's missed most of the last two seasons.  Why would he be much better next season?  I don't see Randle after missing a full season and a true rookie (probably a freshman) contributing much to the Lakers win total.  A good free agent would help but I expect the best they'll get is Dragic/Rondo.

If they get Dragic back, I think they have a very good chance of being in the 10-12 range. Rondo would be a big question mark.

Either way, I'm not wishing anything bad on the sixer fans. I just think MCW has some potential and was odd to see the sixers risk not getting back equal value for a slight chance of getting better value back.

[tazzmaniac]

76ers just going though the motions of TRYIng to play basketball.   That's great entertainment .   Putting together a program based on losing .   . 

That's good value and something cheer for and pay to see? Yeah right.

If the Celtics did this , I would not be buying tickets and wouldn't pay for league pass to watch d leaguers and this years first round player stumble around getting destroyed.

So how many years do they idle along , pretending to be a basketball team , waiting for the next MJ to happen along.   There is way more to team than just getting a few first round lottery picks , of course if your only a lad .....your brain would have any reference for how the real world works.

It some point ...they need to man up ...quit the bull and play the game ....like professionals



So they are professional screw up team ......wow that's something to be proud of ......bunch of losers.

I agree it looks bad. They're never going to build a great team if they refuse to give guys time to develop. The "you are not a star in 2 years trading you" strategy seems horrible. Veteran teams win titles not 3 and 4 year players. Believe avg age of modern day championship teams is 28. And no teams since 70s haven't done it at under effective age of 26. That means guys the guys you rely on are 5+ year pros. Philly strategy of draft high is nice but can't sit there just waiting to hit big.

They traded MCW because he was a very offensively inefficient PG and they got a very good Lakers pick in return.  Noel has looked better offensively after the trade with Ish Smith at PG.  Hinkie obviously didn't think MCW would develop into the kind of player he wants as their future PG.  If they held onto MCW, the most likely outcome would be that he'd remain an inefficient PG and his trade value would plummet. 

McDaniels was traded because he didn't sign a team friendly deal like most 2nd rounders do.  He wasn't going to overpay to keep McDaniels, a role player at best, so he traded him for some return. 

Besides MCW and McDaniels, I don't see anyone else you could be referring to.  They are developing Noel quite well and at the end of the season moved him back to PF to try to get him ready to play with Embiid.

Unless the Lakers are extremely unlucky and two teams jump them in the lottery, this will most likely be a bad trade.

How so? They didn't think they'd be getting the pick this year anyways. It rolls over to a top 3 protection next year.

They will get Randall back, another top 5 pick, Kobe and a potential free agent. They may even trade their pick this year to get another established player.

Good luck hoping that all those things actually make them worse next year.

Who said they would get worse?  I could see them passing Denver and Sacramento but that's about it without a lot of luck.  The pick will probably be in the 7-10 range.  Regarding their assets, Kobe was pretty bad in the games he played and he's missed most of the last two seasons.  Why would he be much better next season?  I don't see Randle after missing a full season and a true rookie (probably a freshman) contributing much to the Lakers win total.  A good free agent would help but I expect the best they'll get is Dragic/Rondo.

If they get Dragic back, I think they have a very good chance of being in the 10-12 range. Rondo would be a big question mark.

Either way, I'm not wishing anything bad on the sixer fans. I just think MCW has some potential and was odd to see the sixers risk not getting back equal value for a slight chance of getting better value back.

That would put the Lakers around 38 wins which seems optimistic to me.  One other variable is the T-Wolves.  They've got an interesting mix of young and older players.  They should be somewhat better next year and could conceivably leap frog the Lakers. 

The MCW trade could end up being a situation where all parties are better off.  MCW could develop better off under Kidd and the Sixers may be better off without him. 

[Csfan1984]

76ers just going though the motions of TRYIng to play basketball.   That's great entertainment .   Putting together a program based on losing .   . 

That's good value and something cheer for and pay to see? Yeah right.

If the Celtics did this , I would not be buying tickets and wouldn't pay for league pass to watch d leaguers and this years first round player stumble around getting destroyed.

So how many years do they idle along , pretending to be a basketball team , waiting for the next MJ to happen along.   There is way more to team than just getting a few first round lottery picks , of course if your only a lad .....your brain would have any reference for how the real world works.

It some point ...they need to man up ...quit the bull and play the game ....like professionals



So they are professional screw up team ......wow that's something to be proud of ......bunch of losers.

I agree it looks bad. They're never going to build a great team if they refuse to give guys time to develop. The "you are not a star in 2 years trading you" strategy seems horrible. Veteran teams win titles not 3 and 4 year players. Believe avg age of modern day championship teams is 28. And no teams since 70s haven't done it at under effective age of 26. That means guys the guys you rely on are 5+ year pros. Philly strategy of draft high is nice but can't sit there just waiting to hit big.

They traded MCW because he was a very offensively inefficient PG and they got a very good Lakers pick in return.  Noel has looked better offensively after the trade with Ish Smith at PG.  Hinkie obviously didn't think MCW would develop into the kind of player he wants as their future PG.  If they held onto MCW, the most likely outcome would be that he'd remain an inefficient PG and his trade value would plummet. 

McDaniels was traded because he didn't sign a team friendly deal like most 2nd rounders do.  He wasn't going to overpay to keep McDaniels, a role player at best, so he traded him for some return. 

Besides MCW and McDaniels, I don't see anyone else you could be referring to.  They are developing Noel quite well and at the end of the season moved him back to PF to try to get him ready to play with Embiid.

Unless the Lakers are extremely unlucky and two teams jump them in the lottery, this will most likely be a bad trade.

How so? They didn't think they'd be getting the pick this year anyways. It rolls over to a top 3 protection next year.

They will get Randall back, another top 5 pick, Kobe and a potential free agent. They may even trade their pick this year to get another established player.

Good luck hoping that all those things actually make them worse next year.

Who said they would get worse?  I could see them passing Denver and Sacramento but that's about it without a lot of luck.  The pick will probably be in the 7-10 range.  Regarding their assets, Kobe was pretty bad in the games he played and he's missed most of the last two seasons.  Why would he be much better next season?  I don't see Randle after missing a full season and a true rookie (probably a freshman) contributing much to the Lakers win total.  A good free agent would help but I expect the best they'll get is Dragic/Rondo.

If they get Dragic back, I think they have a very good chance of being in the 10-12 range. Rondo would be a big question mark.

Either way, I'm not wishing anything bad on the sixer fans. I just think MCW has some potential and was odd to see the sixers risk not getting back equal value for a slight chance of getting better value back.

That would put the Lakers around 38 wins which seems optimistic to me.  One other variable is the T-Wolves.  They've got an interesting mix of young and older players.  They should be somewhat better next year and could conceivably leap frog the Lakers. 

The MCW trade could end up being a situation where all parties are better off.  MCW could develop better off under Kidd and the Sixers may be better off without him.

All that is important to sixers is they were worse now and they got rid of some one who was likely going to make them better before they want to be. Super Tankers can't allow that.

[celticsclay]

76ers just going though the motions of TRYIng to play basketball.   That's great entertainment .   Putting together a program based on losing .   . 

That's good value and something cheer for and pay to see? Yeah right.

If the Celtics did this , I would not be buying tickets and wouldn't pay for league pass to watch d leaguers and this years first round player stumble around getting destroyed.

So how many years do they idle along , pretending to be a basketball team , waiting for the next MJ to happen along.   There is way more to team than just getting a few first round lottery picks , of course if your only a lad .....your brain would have any reference for how the real world works.

It some point ...they need to man up ...quit the bull and play the game ....like professionals



So they are professional screw up team ......wow that's something to be proud of ......bunch of losers.

I agree it looks bad. They're never going to build a great team if they refuse to give guys time to develop. The "you are not a star in 2 years trading you" strategy seems horrible. Veteran teams win titles not 3 and 4 year players. Believe avg age of modern day championship teams is 28. And no teams since 70s haven't done it at under effective age of 26. That means guys the guys you rely on are 5+ year pros. Philly strategy of draft high is nice but can't sit there just waiting to hit big.

They traded MCW because he was a very offensively inefficient PG and they got a very good Lakers pick in return.  Noel has looked better offensively after the trade with Ish Smith at PG.  Hinkie obviously didn't think MCW would develop into the kind of player he wants as their future PG.  If they held onto MCW, the most likely outcome would be that he'd remain an inefficient PG and his trade value would plummet. 

McDaniels was traded because he didn't sign a team friendly deal like most 2nd rounders do.  He wasn't going to overpay to keep McDaniels, a role player at best, so he traded him for some return. 

Besides MCW and McDaniels, I don't see anyone else you could be referring to.  They are developing Noel quite well and at the end of the season moved him back to PF to try to get him ready to play with Embiid.

Unless the Lakers are extremely unlucky and two teams jump them in the lottery, this will most likely be a bad trade.

How so? They didn't think they'd be getting the pick this year anyways. It rolls over to a top 3 protection next year.

They will get Randall back, another top 5 pick, Kobe and a potential free agent. They may even trade their pick this year to get another established player.

Good luck hoping that all those things actually make them worse next year.

Who said they would get worse?  I could see them passing Denver and Sacramento but that's about it without a lot of luck.  The pick will probably be in the 7-10 range.  Regarding their assets, Kobe was pretty bad in the games he played and he's missed most of the last two seasons.  Why would he be much better next season?  I don't see Randle after missing a full season and a true rookie (probably a freshman) contributing much to the Lakers win total.  A good free agent would help but I expect the best they'll get is Dragic/Rondo.

If they get Dragic back, I think they have a very good chance of being in the 10-12 range. Rondo would be a big question mark.

Either way, I'm not wishing anything bad on the sixer fans. I just think MCW has some potential and was odd to see the sixers risk not getting back equal value for a slight chance of getting better value back.

That would put the Lakers around 38 wins which seems optimistic to me.  One other variable is the T-Wolves.  They've got an interesting mix of young and older players.  They should be somewhat better next year and could conceivably leap frog the Lakers. 

The MCW trade could end up being a situation where all parties are better off.  MCW could develop better off under Kidd and the Sixers may be better off without him.

I think in these predictions and projections it is really easy keep in mind the fact that there are teams that take huge steps back each season for various reasons. This year Indiana won 20 less games while the Thunder won 15 less. The knicks dropped down 18 wins. The Heat 15.

Obviously other teams (Cleveland, Atlanta, Golden State made big jumps), but it is really hard to predict this stuff. Some of the teams in the West are primed to fall off a cliff either this season or next. The year that Duncan retires I would be really surprised if Pop doesn't also (and probably Ginobli and maybe Diaw). Memphis is not going to keep Randolph and gasol forever either. There is at least a small chance Aldridge leaves Portland. Does Durant leave OKC after next season? Do they trade him midseason if this become apparent?

[Eddie20]

So no Saric for at least another year and likely only 1 first rd pick, instead of potentially 3 lottery picks. Their rebuilding project looks like it'll be further delayed.

Derek Bodner @DerekBodnerNBA  ·  1h 1 hour ago
About Saric: No currently built-in buyout in Saric's contract. Only way to get him over early would be if Efes desirous to get rid of him.

w/how important Saric is, any newly negotiated buyout would likely be very expensive. #Sixers limited in what they can contribute to buyout.

The only real way would be if Efes were having financial difficulties, but they are not.

Over two seasons their two 2014 lottery picks (Embiid and Saric) will have missed at least 246 games out of a possible 328. And let's see how many games Embiid actually plays next season.

[colincb]

Two new articles of note:


Joel Embiid's work ethic needed work, Brett Brown says

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20150417_Joel_Embiid_s_work_ethic_needs_work__Brett_Brown_says.html


Apparently the first confirmation of various rumors.

and


Brett Brown might have to play tanking game again

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20150417_Brett_Brown_might_have_to_play_tanking_game_again.html

Two years are already gone from his four-year contract, however, and his third season could be as frustrating as his first two. Being the good soldier for the journey has given him a career 37-127 record as an NBA head coach. Fair or not, he wears that.

Next year's a lock for tanking given the time needed to develop players.  I'd wager that the Sixers will tank for both years. Sixers had a shot at 4 1sts in a decent 2015 draft. Now looking at three acquired picks (OKC, LAL, and MIA) being deferred to 2016 with the picks likely to be worse in a, supposedly, weaker 2016 draft.

I'm sure Brown must be having second thoughts about his career predicament coming from the Spurs.

[slamtheking]

Two new articles of note:


Joel Embiid's work ethic needed work, Brett Brown says

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20150417_Joel_Embiid_s_work_ethic_needs_work__Brett_Brown_says.html


Apparently the first confirmation of various rumors.

and


Brett Brown might have to play tanking game again

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20150417_Brett_Brown_might_have_to_play_tanking_game_again.html

Two years are already gone from his four-year contract, however, and his third season could be as frustrating as his first two. Being the good soldier for the journey has given him a career 37-127 record as an NBA head coach. Fair or not, he wears that.

Next year's a lock for tanking given the time needed to develop players.  I'd wager that the Sixers will tank for both years. Sixers had a shot at 4 1sts in a decent 2015 draft. Now looking at three acquired picks (OKC, LAL, and MIA) being deferred to 2016 with the picks likely to be worse in a, supposedly, weaker 2016 draft.

I'm sure Brown must be having second thoughts about his career predicament coming from the Spurs.

no pity for the Sixers on having to wait for deferred picks in a lower-quality draft.  OKC, Lakers and Miami all figure to be better next year with their top players coming back from injury.  Also, one more year wasted of Noel's rookie contract-->will be yet more incentive for him to get out of town rather than see more of his career flushed down the toilet

[Eddie20]

Philly is playing a very dangerous game. No Saric, issues with Embiid's character, Noel already going into his 3rd season, and losing out on the Lakers and Heat picks this season and having them turn into worse picks next season. There is really no end in sight. They need to add high character veterans, even if it means a slight overpay, in order to mentor Noel, Embiid, and their high lottery pick this year.