I don't love philly roster or any single player yet by any stretch. Some of the moves they have made are pretty ugly as well. But I admire their guts to go full tank mode. I wouldn't want to C's to do it that way only because it is too much risk IMO. You may have to suck 5 years before you are good. By then the first talent crop you drafted are already FAs and may walk cause they hate all the sucking so long. Then again if they hit like OKC and pay their players they are golden. I say good luck to them and hope it's a epic Atlantic division with a Good Knicks, 76ers, and C's. (NOT Nets)
What moves have they made that you think are ugly? They are not just tanking to get better. They have traded for several good 1st round picks and a bunch of 2nd rounders. They have a lot of cap space available. Their first talent crop consists of Noel (2nd year) and Saric (still in Europe so not under contract yet). Players in their 1st contract become restricted free agents. The only way they can just walk away is if they give up a lot of money by taking their qualifying offer. Monroe did it this year but it doesn't happen very often.
I don't think my opinion would matter to you as I can tell you are all in with Philly but here it is. What I find ugly is waiving numerous NBA players though just bench quality is bad business. Taking on salary and cap hits in added years in some of the waivers for low 1st doesn't help as low 1st usually just net you bench players. 2nd round picks hardly ever make past 4 years in the NBA so those are probably garbage. I like the higher picks like the Laker one "potentially" but when you give up a player with talent and potential to get it it's just going in circles. Even when they moved Young they didn't get much just moved him to be a worse team, no good compensation for a player that was producing at okay $. KJ looked like a draft steal but he could have won them a few games by himself so he got traded, smh. The things I like that Philly has done is the drafting and the "guts" to put a DL team out every night to have a horrible record guaranteeing a top 5 pick. The waiver scrubs that philly fans want to call players are a not even worth talking about either. Hink isn't a genius he just has guts. Being as bad a as possible isn't hard. Getting low picks for NBA players isn't hard. Having cap space comes from not having any one on the team worth paying. Had Hink been scoring better deals I'd be impressed but right now his job is easy.
They got a mid 1st round pick for Thad Young who was a pending FA if he opted out(was going to happen). That pick could be anywhere between 11-16. For a slightly above average PF who can't really defend or rebound the position that well. Thad Young's trade value after half a season? The corpse of Kevin Garnett returning for half a season of feel good reunion videos in Minny.
KJ got traded because he is a pending RFA, is probably going to get overpaid, does nothing offensively and he got back a guy picked early in the 2nd + an early 2nd round pick. Hinkie essentially turned an early 2nd round pick for (2) early 2nd round picks...
2nd round picks are not garbage, just stop.
Taking on salary cap for a low first doesn't help? How? It's a first round pick, good players tend to be available late. The more chances you have to hit on one of those lotto tickets the better. If nothing else it is ammo to trade up.
Ish Smith, a 5 year journeyman who has played for like 8 teams has outperformed MCW this year. The fact that we got a probable top 10 pick for a guy who fits that statement is absurdly good value.
And you're completely ignoring that he essentially turned Jrue Holiday into 3 first round picks.
Those are some very weak excuses. Not wanting to pay guys? Really when you are at the cap min. Also most seconds are garbage unless they are like Philly's own. Oh C's own those. But good try. I like their drafting and guts, nothing else. Get over it Philly fans.
Those aren't weak excuses. How is the Young trade any different than the Green trade except for the fact that Hinkie got much better value (mid 1st rounder vs. probable two seconds)? There are plenty of cheap role players. How is overpaying for role players and wasting cap space a good thing to do? How is Hinkie taking on McGee's salary for a 1st significantly different from Ainge taking on Wallace's salary in exchange for an extra 1st? Why should Hinkie have held on to MCW rather than trade him for the very good Lakers 1st? Yes, second rounders are often misses. That's why accumulating a bunch of them cheaply is a good thing to do. Of the five second rounders Philly has this draft, two are currently at 35 and 37.
Age of players and prime years is a huge difference between guys DA traded and guys Hink traded. Hink gave up promising long term players for little to just get worse. DA didn't trade AB or Sully. Do you get it?
What promising long term players did he give up just to get a little worse? He got at mid 1st rounder for Young. He got a top 10 pick for MCW. He turned Jrue Holliday into Noel, Saric and the return of their own 2017 1st rounder. Notice all the value he got back. He's not dumping anyone just to lose a few games. Why should age of players matter? Once you decide a player isn't someone you want to keep, you should trade that player when you get a good offer for them. Ainge hasn't traded AB because he's only been offered late 1sts. With his injury and weight issues, Sully is probably worth even less. Ainge will trade anyone on this roster, even Smart, if he gets a good enough return for them.
You just named two young promising players that could have contributed. Add KJ then add all the vets they cut that could have contributed. Everyone knows he was trading to tank. You are in denial if you dont think it was all for the tank. Return wasn't his concern getting DL bad was.
What contributing vets have we cut? Cut means something. Words mean things.
You're an idiot. I'm just going to say it. I've used facts as a cudgel against your cranium yet your head apparently is a rock. Here's a list of assets we've obtained for guys we... cut?
-Miami 2015 (top 10 protected pick)
-Lakers 2015(top 5 protected pick)
-New Orleans #10 Pick, flipped for #12 overall and 2017 76ers pick
-Nerlens Noel
-Jerami Grant
-Isaiah Canaan
-Denver 2nd
-OKC top 18 protected pick
-Orl 2nd
-I can't count the # of 2nd picks coming in. We have 5 this year.
I'm done with this stupidity. You just don't know what you're talking about. I've blasted some of the guys Sixers fans champion in this thread. The reality is though, that the Sixers have gotten a ton for the guys they've gotten rid of.
Why dont check your teams transactions? Better yet go back to the 76ers board that is were you can find plenty of people that might join your homer views. The rest of NBA fans don't need the 76er trolls posting about superstars and championships that may never come to be. Your GM and your team are the ultimate tankers don't try to sell it as any thing different here. Enjoy your DL games.
Please. Refute anything I've said.
Welcome to reality. You want to fit facts to an ill informed opinion, and I'm bringing that ignorance back to reality. Deal with it.
Lol dude what facts? We're are talking about opinions on the net for the players and moves. I say the trades have been too geared to be worse and tank. Your own 76ers fans had issues with some of the trades. You name assets like they are locks. You even forget where MCW was drafted when getting a possible worse pick slot in comparison with a 2016 LAL pick. That may be a loss. Oh and again the scrub players like they are border line all stars. Future picks as if they are guaranteed at the top of the draft. 2nds rounders as if they a big deal. You getting mad cause I'm not putting those trades up as good but straight tank trades. Take a look at where your team is in the standings bro. You are tanking and your players suck that is reality. Embid can be the new Oden. If Noel for his D is a superstar why isn't Smart? Please with your foolish asset talk go back to Libertyballess
As far as specific facts:
-The Sixers have never lost in terms of trade value in order to "get worse" (please, cite a trade if you disagree)
Evan Turner and Lavoy Allen for Danny "no knees" Granger and the Dubs second round pick this year?
That's exactly what they did here: traded to get worse.
The Sixers tried hard to get a 1st rounder for Turner but they couldn't find a GM stupid enough to do it. They had no intention of resigning Turner so they had to settle for what they could get. Considering how it turned out, I'd bet the Indy fans would say they lost that trade.
There is no way this can be spun that Hinkie didn't trade to get worse here.
He traded an expiring Turner who could actually walk for an expiring in Granger who couldn't walk. They included Lavoy Allen and got back a 2nd rounder that will likely be the LAST pick in the draft to go along with their other 3 thousand second round picks they're collecting.
I think your argument has all the pieces but the wrong conclusion there.
Point: Hinkie had NO intention of resigning Turner
Point: Hinkie, like Ainge, sees players as assets. Turner had become a bad asset, and disposable.
Point: Hinkie traded him for two contracts that did not assign significant money going forward beyond 2014-2015 for an asset many around the league had begun to see as toxic, and he acquired a 2nd round pick in the process
My Conclusion: They were already losing, terribly. Turner was actually, at the time of the trade arguably one of the worst players in the league, let alone starters. They wouldn't take any future money on in a trade involving him, so they took the best offer on the table, which was expirings and a future 2nd round pick from a franchise that while pretty good, still had the probability of being pretty volatile. They would've gotten nothing if he walked, they got something by trading him.
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