The love affair with Philadelphia

[celticsclay]

If Embiid is to 2015-16 to what Noel was 2014-15, watch out.  As I've said before it is possible that the Philadelphia 76ers are in the process of writing the definitive work on how to tank.

Meaning how they are winning less games this year than last year? That means they drop another 8 games down the standings next year? 

Obviously I am just joking around, but it is pretty funny they are going to finish with an identical record to last year despite the presence of Noel, in a worse conference.

[Csfan1984]

I don't love philly roster or any single player yet by any stretch. Some of the moves they have made are pretty ugly as well. But I admire their guts to go full tank mode. I wouldn't want to C's to do it that way only because  it is too much risk IMO. You may have to suck 5 years before you are good. By then the first talent crop you drafted are already FAs and may walk cause they hate all the sucking so long. Then again if they hit like OKC and pay their players they are golden. I say good luck to them and hope it's a epic Atlantic division with a Good Knicks, 76ers, and C's. (NOT Nets)

What moves have they made that you think are ugly?  They are not just tanking to get better.  They have traded for several good 1st round picks and a bunch of 2nd rounders.  They have a lot of cap space available.  Their first talent crop consists of Noel (2nd year) and Saric (still in Europe so not under contract yet).  Players in their 1st contract become restricted free agents.  The only way they can just walk away is if they give up a lot of money by taking their qualifying offer.  Monroe did it this year but it doesn't happen very often.

I don't think my opinion would matter to you as I can tell you are all in with Philly but here it is. What I find ugly is waiving numerous NBA players though just bench quality is bad business. Taking on salary and cap hits in added years in some of the waivers for low 1st doesn't help as low 1st usually just net you bench players. 2nd round picks hardly ever make past 4 years in the NBA so those are probably garbage. I like the higher picks like the Laker one "potentially" but when you give up a player with talent and potential to get it it's just going in circles. Even when they moved Young they didn't get much just moved him to be a worse team, no good compensation for a player that was producing at okay $. KJ looked like a draft steal but he could have won them a few games by himself so he got traded, smh. The things I like that Philly has done is the drafting and the "guts" to put a DL team out every night to have a horrible record guaranteeing a top 5 pick. The waiver scrubs that philly fans want to call players are a not even worth talking about either. Hink isn't a genius he just has guts. Being as bad a as possible isn't hard. Getting low picks for NBA players isn't hard. Having cap space comes from not having any one on the team worth paying. Had Hink been scoring better deals I'd be impressed but right now his job is easy.

They got a mid 1st round pick for Thad Young who was a pending FA if he opted out(was going to happen). That pick could be anywhere between 11-16. For a slightly above average PF who can't really defend or rebound the position that well. Thad Young's trade value after half a season? The corpse of Kevin Garnett returning for half a season of feel good reunion videos in Minny.

KJ got traded because he is a pending RFA, is probably going to get overpaid, does nothing offensively and he got back a guy picked early in the 2nd + an early 2nd round pick. Hinkie essentially turned an early 2nd round pick for (2) early 2nd round picks...

2nd round picks are not garbage, just stop.

Taking on salary cap for a low first doesn't help? How? It's a first round pick, good players tend to be available late. The more chances you have to hit on one of those lotto tickets the better. If nothing else it is ammo to trade up.

Ish Smith, a 5 year journeyman who has played for like 8 teams has outperformed MCW this year. The fact that we got a probable top 10 pick for a guy who fits that statement is absurdly good value.

And you're completely ignoring that he essentially turned Jrue Holiday into 3 first round picks.

Those are some very weak excuses. Not wanting to pay guys? Really when you are at the cap min. Also most seconds are garbage unless they are like Philly's own. Oh C's own those. But good try. I like their drafting and guts, nothing else. Get over it Philly fans.

Those aren't weak excuses.  How is the Young trade any different than the Green trade except for the fact that Hinkie got much better value (mid 1st rounder vs. probable two seconds)?  There are plenty of cheap role players.  How is overpaying for role players and wasting cap space a good thing to do?  How is Hinkie taking on McGee's salary for a 1st significantly different from Ainge taking on Wallace's salary in exchange for an extra 1st?  Why should Hinkie have held on to MCW rather than trade him for the very good Lakers 1st?  Yes, second rounders are often misses.  That's why accumulating a bunch of them cheaply is a good thing to do.  Of the five second rounders Philly has this draft, two are currently at 35 and 37.

Age of players and prime years is a huge difference between guys DA traded and guys Hink traded. Hink gave up promising long term players for little to just get worse. DA didn't trade AB or Sully. Do you get it?

What promising long term players did he give up just to get a little worse?  He got at mid 1st rounder for Young.  He got a top 10 pick for MCW.  He turned Jrue Holliday into Noel, Saric and the return of their own 2017 1st rounder.  Notice all the value he got back.  He's not dumping anyone just to lose a few games.  Why should age of players matter?  Once you decide a player isn't someone you want to keep, you should trade that player when you get a good offer for them.  Ainge hasn't traded AB because he's only been offered late 1sts.  With his injury and weight issues, Sully is probably worth even less.  Ainge will trade anyone on this roster, even Smart, if he gets a good enough return for them.   

You just named two young promising players that could have contributed. Add KJ then add all the vets they cut that could have contributed. Everyone knows he was trading to tank. You are in denial if you dont think it was all for the tank. Return wasn't his concern getting DL bad was.

What contributing vets have we cut? Cut means something. Words mean things.

You're an idiot. I'm just going to say it. I've used facts as a cudgel against your cranium yet your head apparently is a rock. Here's a list of assets we've obtained for guys we... cut?

-Miami 2015 (top 10 protected pick)
-Lakers 2015(top 5 protected pick)
-New Orleans #10 Pick, flipped for #12 overall and 2017 76ers pick
-Nerlens Noel
-Jerami Grant
-Isaiah Canaan
-Denver 2nd
-OKC top 18 protected pick
-Orl 2nd
-I can't count the # of 2nd picks coming in. We have 5 this year.

I'm done with this stupidity. You just don't know what you're talking about. I've blasted some of the guys Sixers fans champion in this thread. The reality is though, that the Sixers have gotten a ton for the guys they've gotten rid of.

Why dont check your teams transactions? Better yet go back to the 76ers board that is were you can find plenty of people that might join your homer views. The rest of NBA fans don't need the 76er trolls posting about superstars and championships that may never come to be. Your GM and your team are the ultimate tankers don't try to sell it as any thing different here. Enjoy your DL games.

Please. Refute anything I've said.

Welcome to reality. You want to fit facts to an ill informed opinion, and I'm bringing that ignorance back to reality. Deal with it.

Lol dude what facts? We're are talking about opinions on the net for the players and moves. I say the trades have been too geared to be worse and tank. Your own 76ers fans had issues with some of the trades. You name assets like they are locks. You even forget where MCW was drafted when getting a possible worse pick slot in comparison with a 2016 LAL pick. That may be a loss. Oh and again the scrub players like they are border line all stars. Future picks as if they are guaranteed at the top of the draft. 2nds rounders as if they a big deal. You getting mad cause I'm not putting those trades up as good but straight tank trades. Take a look at where your team is in the standings bro. You are tanking and your players suck that is reality. Embid can be the new Oden. If Noel for his D is a superstar why isn't Smart? Please with your foolish asset talk go back to Libertyballess

As far as specific facts:

-The Sixers have never cut a contributing veteran
-The Sixers have never lost in terms of trade value in order to "get worse" (please, cite a trade if you disagree)
-I never said Nerlens was a superstar, despite you assertion
-Never called a single one of guys an all-star
-They got a 1st round pick for Thad Young despite you claiming they didn't get anything back
-And see the entire run down of the trades that Hinkie made for no return just to get worse

Specifics look at their transactions on the waived vets it's a recorded actual fact they released vets that could have helped the team be better than a 20 win tank job. You keep mention Holiday trade. I was talking this year's tank moves. You seriously want to debate they ain't tanking, total BS. Also you list and post like Noel is a superstar just read your own post it's ridiculous how you over rate the "assets". DA is not near Hink level of tanking , no one is.

[csfansince60s]

I don't love philly roster or any single player yet by any stretch. Some of the moves they have made are pretty ugly as well. But I admire their guts to go full tank mode. I wouldn't want to C's to do it that way only because  it is too much risk IMO. You may have to suck 5 years before you are good. By then the first talent crop you drafted are already FAs and may walk cause they hate all the sucking so long. Then again if they hit like OKC and pay their players they are golden. I say good luck to them and hope it's a epic Atlantic division with a Good Knicks, 76ers, and C's. (NOT Nets)

What moves have they made that you think are ugly?  They are not just tanking to get better.  They have traded for several good 1st round picks and a bunch of 2nd rounders.  They have a lot of cap space available.  Their first talent crop consists of Noel (2nd year) and Saric (still in Europe so not under contract yet).  Players in their 1st contract become restricted free agents.  The only way they can just walk away is if they give up a lot of money by taking their qualifying offer.  Monroe did it this year but it doesn't happen very often.

I don't think my opinion would matter to you as I can tell you are all in with Philly but here it is. What I find ugly is waiving numerous NBA players though just bench quality is bad business. Taking on salary and cap hits in added years in some of the waivers for low 1st doesn't help as low 1st usually just net you bench players. 2nd round picks hardly ever make past 4 years in the NBA so those are probably garbage. I like the higher picks like the Laker one "potentially" but when you give up a player with talent and potential to get it it's just going in circles. Even when they moved Young they didn't get much just moved him to be a worse team, no good compensation for a player that was producing at okay $. KJ looked like a draft steal but he could have won them a few games by himself so he got traded, smh. The things I like that Philly has done is the drafting and the "guts" to put a DL team out every night to have a horrible record guaranteeing a top 5 pick. The waiver scrubs that philly fans want to call players are a not even worth talking about either. Hink isn't a genius he just has guts. Being as bad a as possible isn't hard. Getting low picks for NBA players isn't hard. Having cap space comes from not having any one on the team worth paying. Had Hink been scoring better deals I'd be impressed but right now his job is easy.

They got a mid 1st round pick for Thad Young who was a pending FA if he opted out(was going to happen). That pick could be anywhere between 11-16. For a slightly above average PF who can't really defend or rebound the position that well. Thad Young's trade value after half a season? The corpse of Kevin Garnett returning for half a season of feel good reunion videos in Minny.

KJ got traded because he is a pending RFA, is probably going to get overpaid, does nothing offensively and he got back a guy picked early in the 2nd + an early 2nd round pick. Hinkie essentially turned an early 2nd round pick for (2) early 2nd round picks...

2nd round picks are not garbage, just stop.

Taking on salary cap for a low first doesn't help? How? It's a first round pick, good players tend to be available late. The more chances you have to hit on one of those lotto tickets the better. If nothing else it is ammo to trade up.

Ish Smith, a 5 year journeyman who has played for like 8 teams has outperformed MCW this year. The fact that we got a probable top 10 pick for a guy who fits that statement is absurdly good value.

And you're completely ignoring that he essentially turned Jrue Holiday into 3 first round picks.

Those are some very weak excuses. Not wanting to pay guys? Really when you are at the cap min. Also most seconds are garbage unless they are like Philly's own. Oh C's own those. But good try. I like their drafting and guts, nothing else. Get over it Philly fans.

Those aren't weak excuses.  How is the Young trade any different than the Green trade except for the fact that Hinkie got much better value (mid 1st rounder vs. probable two seconds)?  There are plenty of cheap role players.  How is overpaying for role players and wasting cap space a good thing to do?  How is Hinkie taking on McGee's salary for a 1st significantly different from Ainge taking on Wallace's salary in exchange for an extra 1st?  Why should Hinkie have held on to MCW rather than trade him for the very good Lakers 1st?  Yes, second rounders are often misses.  That's why accumulating a bunch of them cheaply is a good thing to do.  Of the five second rounders Philly has this draft, two are currently at 35 and 37.

Age of players and prime years is a huge difference between guys DA traded and guys Hink traded. Hink gave up promising long term players for little to just get worse. DA didn't trade AB or Sully. Do you get it?

What promising long term players did he give up just to get a little worse?  He got at mid 1st rounder for Young.  He got a top 10 pick for MCW.  He turned Jrue Holliday into Noel, Saric and the return of their own 2017 1st rounder.  Notice all the value he got back.  He's not dumping anyone just to lose a few games.  Why should age of players matter?  Once you decide a player isn't someone you want to keep, you should trade that player when you get a good offer for them.  Ainge hasn't traded AB because he's only been offered late 1sts.  With his injury and weight issues, Sully is probably worth even less.  Ainge will trade anyone on this roster, even Smart, if he gets a good enough return for them.   

You just named two young promising players that could have contributed. Add KJ then add all the vets they cut that could have contributed. Everyone knows he was trading to tank. You are in denial if you dont think it was all for the tank. Return wasn't his concern getting DL bad was.

What contributing vets have we cut? Cut means something. Words mean things.

You're an idiot. I'm just going to say it. I've used facts as a cudgel against your cranium yet your head apparently is a rock. Here's a list of assets we've obtained for guys we... cut?

-Miami 2015 (top 10 protected pick)
-Lakers 2015(top 5 protected pick)
-New Orleans #10 Pick, flipped for #12 overall and 2017 76ers pick
-Nerlens Noel
-Jerami Grant
-Isaiah Canaan
-Denver 2nd
-OKC top 18 protected pick
-Orl 2nd
-I can't count the # of 2nd picks coming in. We have 5 this year.

I'm done with this stupidity. You just don't know what you're talking about. I've blasted some of the guys Sixers fans champion in this thread. The reality is though, that the Sixers have gotten a ton for the guys they've gotten rid of.

Why dont check your teams transactions? Better yet go back to the 76ers board that is were you can find plenty of people that might join your homer views. The rest of NBA fans don't need the 76er trolls posting about superstars and championships that may never come to be. Your GM and your team are the ultimate tankers don't try to sell it as any thing different here. Enjoy your DL games.

Please. Refute anything I've said.

Welcome to reality. You want to fit facts to an ill informed opinion, and I'm bringing that ignorance back to reality. Deal with it.

Lol dude what facts? We're are talking about opinions on the net for the players and moves. I say the trades have been too geared to be worse and tank. Your own 76ers fans had issues with some of the trades. You name assets like they are locks. You even forget where MCW was drafted when getting a possible worse pick slot in comparison with a 2016 LAL pick. That may be a loss. Oh and again the scrub players like they are border line all stars. Future picks as if they are guaranteed at the top of the draft. 2nds rounders as if they a big deal. You getting mad cause I'm not putting those trades up as good but straight tank trades. Take a look at where your team is in the standings bro. You are tanking and your players suck that is reality. Embid can be the new Oden. If Noel for his D is a superstar why isn't Smart? Please with your foolish asset talk go back to Libertyballess

As far as specific facts:


-The Sixers have never lost in terms of trade value in order to "get worse" (please, cite a trade if you disagree)

Evan Turner and Lavoy Allen for Danny "no knees" Granger and the Dubs second round pick this year?

That's exactly what they did here: traded to get worse.

[tazzmaniac]

If Embiid is to 2015-16 to what Noel was 2014-15, watch out.  As I've said before it is possible that the Philadelphia 76ers are in the process of writing the definitive work on how to tank.

Meaning how they are winning less games this year than last year? That means they drop another 8 games down the standings next year? 

Obviously I am just joking around, but it is pretty funny they are going to finish with an identical record to last year despite the presence of Noel, in a worse conference.

Last year, the Sixers had veteran talent (Young, Turner, Hawes).  This season they are mostly youngsters and have set a record for the most d-leaguers on their roster.  They've also had a ton of roster turnover. 

[tazzmaniac]

I don't love philly roster or any single player yet by any stretch. Some of the moves they have made are pretty ugly as well. But I admire their guts to go full tank mode. I wouldn't want to C's to do it that way only because  it is too much risk IMO. You may have to suck 5 years before you are good. By then the first talent crop you drafted are already FAs and may walk cause they hate all the sucking so long. Then again if they hit like OKC and pay their players they are golden. I say good luck to them and hope it's a epic Atlantic division with a Good Knicks, 76ers, and C's. (NOT Nets)

What moves have they made that you think are ugly?  They are not just tanking to get better.  They have traded for several good 1st round picks and a bunch of 2nd rounders.  They have a lot of cap space available.  Their first talent crop consists of Noel (2nd year) and Saric (still in Europe so not under contract yet).  Players in their 1st contract become restricted free agents.  The only way they can just walk away is if they give up a lot of money by taking their qualifying offer.  Monroe did it this year but it doesn't happen very often.

I don't think my opinion would matter to you as I can tell you are all in with Philly but here it is. What I find ugly is waiving numerous NBA players though just bench quality is bad business. Taking on salary and cap hits in added years in some of the waivers for low 1st doesn't help as low 1st usually just net you bench players. 2nd round picks hardly ever make past 4 years in the NBA so those are probably garbage. I like the higher picks like the Laker one "potentially" but when you give up a player with talent and potential to get it it's just going in circles. Even when they moved Young they didn't get much just moved him to be a worse team, no good compensation for a player that was producing at okay $. KJ looked like a draft steal but he could have won them a few games by himself so he got traded, smh. The things I like that Philly has done is the drafting and the "guts" to put a DL team out every night to have a horrible record guaranteeing a top 5 pick. The waiver scrubs that philly fans want to call players are a not even worth talking about either. Hink isn't a genius he just has guts. Being as bad a as possible isn't hard. Getting low picks for NBA players isn't hard. Having cap space comes from not having any one on the team worth paying. Had Hink been scoring better deals I'd be impressed but right now his job is easy.

They got a mid 1st round pick for Thad Young who was a pending FA if he opted out(was going to happen). That pick could be anywhere between 11-16. For a slightly above average PF who can't really defend or rebound the position that well. Thad Young's trade value after half a season? The corpse of Kevin Garnett returning for half a season of feel good reunion videos in Minny.

KJ got traded because he is a pending RFA, is probably going to get overpaid, does nothing offensively and he got back a guy picked early in the 2nd + an early 2nd round pick. Hinkie essentially turned an early 2nd round pick for (2) early 2nd round picks...

2nd round picks are not garbage, just stop.

Taking on salary cap for a low first doesn't help? How? It's a first round pick, good players tend to be available late. The more chances you have to hit on one of those lotto tickets the better. If nothing else it is ammo to trade up.

Ish Smith, a 5 year journeyman who has played for like 8 teams has outperformed MCW this year. The fact that we got a probable top 10 pick for a guy who fits that statement is absurdly good value.

And you're completely ignoring that he essentially turned Jrue Holiday into 3 first round picks.

Those are some very weak excuses. Not wanting to pay guys? Really when you are at the cap min. Also most seconds are garbage unless they are like Philly's own. Oh C's own those. But good try. I like their drafting and guts, nothing else. Get over it Philly fans.

Those aren't weak excuses.  How is the Young trade any different than the Green trade except for the fact that Hinkie got much better value (mid 1st rounder vs. probable two seconds)?  There are plenty of cheap role players.  How is overpaying for role players and wasting cap space a good thing to do?  How is Hinkie taking on McGee's salary for a 1st significantly different from Ainge taking on Wallace's salary in exchange for an extra 1st?  Why should Hinkie have held on to MCW rather than trade him for the very good Lakers 1st?  Yes, second rounders are often misses.  That's why accumulating a bunch of them cheaply is a good thing to do.  Of the five second rounders Philly has this draft, two are currently at 35 and 37.

Age of players and prime years is a huge difference between guys DA traded and guys Hink traded. Hink gave up promising long term players for little to just get worse. DA didn't trade AB or Sully. Do you get it?

What promising long term players did he give up just to get a little worse?  He got at mid 1st rounder for Young.  He got a top 10 pick for MCW.  He turned Jrue Holliday into Noel, Saric and the return of their own 2017 1st rounder.  Notice all the value he got back.  He's not dumping anyone just to lose a few games.  Why should age of players matter?  Once you decide a player isn't someone you want to keep, you should trade that player when you get a good offer for them.  Ainge hasn't traded AB because he's only been offered late 1sts.  With his injury and weight issues, Sully is probably worth even less.  Ainge will trade anyone on this roster, even Smart, if he gets a good enough return for them.   

You just named two young promising players that could have contributed. Add KJ then add all the vets they cut that could have contributed. Everyone knows he was trading to tank. You are in denial if you dont think it was all for the tank. Return wasn't his concern getting DL bad was.

What contributing vets have we cut? Cut means something. Words mean things.

You're an idiot. I'm just going to say it. I've used facts as a cudgel against your cranium yet your head apparently is a rock. Here's a list of assets we've obtained for guys we... cut?

-Miami 2015 (top 10 protected pick)
-Lakers 2015(top 5 protected pick)
-New Orleans #10 Pick, flipped for #12 overall and 2017 76ers pick
-Nerlens Noel
-Jerami Grant
-Isaiah Canaan
-Denver 2nd
-OKC top 18 protected pick
-Orl 2nd
-I can't count the # of 2nd picks coming in. We have 5 this year.

I'm done with this stupidity. You just don't know what you're talking about. I've blasted some of the guys Sixers fans champion in this thread. The reality is though, that the Sixers have gotten a ton for the guys they've gotten rid of.

Why dont check your teams transactions? Better yet go back to the 76ers board that is were you can find plenty of people that might join your homer views. The rest of NBA fans don't need the 76er trolls posting about superstars and championships that may never come to be. Your GM and your team are the ultimate tankers don't try to sell it as any thing different here. Enjoy your DL games.

Please. Refute anything I've said.

Welcome to reality. You want to fit facts to an ill informed opinion, and I'm bringing that ignorance back to reality. Deal with it.

Lol dude what facts? We're are talking about opinions on the net for the players and moves. I say the trades have been too geared to be worse and tank. Your own 76ers fans had issues with some of the trades. You name assets like they are locks. You even forget where MCW was drafted when getting a possible worse pick slot in comparison with a 2016 LAL pick. That may be a loss. Oh and again the scrub players like they are border line all stars. Future picks as if they are guaranteed at the top of the draft. 2nds rounders as if they a big deal. You getting mad cause I'm not putting those trades up as good but straight tank trades. Take a look at where your team is in the standings bro. You are tanking and your players suck that is reality. Embid can be the new Oden. If Noel for his D is a superstar why isn't Smart? Please with your foolish asset talk go back to Libertyballess

As far as specific facts:


-The Sixers have never lost in terms of trade value in order to "get worse" (please, cite a trade if you disagree)

Evan Turner and Lavoy Allen for Danny "no knees" Granger and the Dubs second round pick this year?

That's exactly what they did here: traded to get worse.

The Sixers tried hard to get a 1st rounder for Turner but they couldn't find a GM stupid enough to do it.  They had no intention of resigning Turner so they had to settle for what they could get.  Considering how it turned out, I'd bet the Indy fans would say they lost that trade. 

[Csfan1984]

I don't love philly roster or any single player yet by any stretch. Some of the moves they have made are pretty ugly as well. But I admire their guts to go full tank mode. I wouldn't want to C's to do it that way only because  it is too much risk IMO. You may have to suck 5 years before you are good. By then the first talent crop you drafted are already FAs and may walk cause they hate all the sucking so long. Then again if they hit like OKC and pay their players they are golden. I say good luck to them and hope it's a epic Atlantic division with a Good Knicks, 76ers, and C's. (NOT Nets)

What moves have they made that you think are ugly?  They are not just tanking to get better.  They have traded for several good 1st round picks and a bunch of 2nd rounders.  They have a lot of cap space available.  Their first talent crop consists of Noel (2nd year) and Saric (still in Europe so not under contract yet).  Players in their 1st contract become restricted free agents.  The only way they can just walk away is if they give up a lot of money by taking their qualifying offer.  Monroe did it this year but it doesn't happen very often.

I don't think my opinion would matter to you as I can tell you are all in with Philly but here it is. What I find ugly is waiving numerous NBA players though just bench quality is bad business. Taking on salary and cap hits in added years in some of the waivers for low 1st doesn't help as low 1st usually just net you bench players. 2nd round picks hardly ever make past 4 years in the NBA so those are probably garbage. I like the higher picks like the Laker one "potentially" but when you give up a player with talent and potential to get it it's just going in circles. Even when they moved Young they didn't get much just moved him to be a worse team, no good compensation for a player that was producing at okay $. KJ looked like a draft steal but he could have won them a few games by himself so he got traded, smh. The things I like that Philly has done is the drafting and the "guts" to put a DL team out every night to have a horrible record guaranteeing a top 5 pick. The waiver scrubs that philly fans want to call players are a not even worth talking about either. Hink isn't a genius he just has guts. Being as bad a as possible isn't hard. Getting low picks for NBA players isn't hard. Having cap space comes from not having any one on the team worth paying. Had Hink been scoring better deals I'd be impressed but right now his job is easy.

They got a mid 1st round pick for Thad Young who was a pending FA if he opted out(was going to happen). That pick could be anywhere between 11-16. For a slightly above average PF who can't really defend or rebound the position that well. Thad Young's trade value after half a season? The corpse of Kevin Garnett returning for half a season of feel good reunion videos in Minny.

KJ got traded because he is a pending RFA, is probably going to get overpaid, does nothing offensively and he got back a guy picked early in the 2nd + an early 2nd round pick. Hinkie essentially turned an early 2nd round pick for (2) early 2nd round picks...

2nd round picks are not garbage, just stop.

Taking on salary cap for a low first doesn't help? How? It's a first round pick, good players tend to be available late. The more chances you have to hit on one of those lotto tickets the better. If nothing else it is ammo to trade up.

Ish Smith, a 5 year journeyman who has played for like 8 teams has outperformed MCW this year. The fact that we got a probable top 10 pick for a guy who fits that statement is absurdly good value.

And you're completely ignoring that he essentially turned Jrue Holiday into 3 first round picks.

Those are some very weak excuses. Not wanting to pay guys? Really when you are at the cap min. Also most seconds are garbage unless they are like Philly's own. Oh C's own those. But good try. I like their drafting and guts, nothing else. Get over it Philly fans.

Those aren't weak excuses.  How is the Young trade any different than the Green trade except for the fact that Hinkie got much better value (mid 1st rounder vs. probable two seconds)?  There are plenty of cheap role players.  How is overpaying for role players and wasting cap space a good thing to do?  How is Hinkie taking on McGee's salary for a 1st significantly different from Ainge taking on Wallace's salary in exchange for an extra 1st?  Why should Hinkie have held on to MCW rather than trade him for the very good Lakers 1st?  Yes, second rounders are often misses.  That's why accumulating a bunch of them cheaply is a good thing to do.  Of the five second rounders Philly has this draft, two are currently at 35 and 37.

Age of players and prime years is a huge difference between guys DA traded and guys Hink traded. Hink gave up promising long term players for little to just get worse. DA didn't trade AB or Sully. Do you get it?

What promising long term players did he give up just to get a little worse?  He got at mid 1st rounder for Young.  He got a top 10 pick for MCW.  He turned Jrue Holliday into Noel, Saric and the return of their own 2017 1st rounder.  Notice all the value he got back.  He's not dumping anyone just to lose a few games.  Why should age of players matter?  Once you decide a player isn't someone you want to keep, you should trade that player when you get a good offer for them.  Ainge hasn't traded AB because he's only been offered late 1sts.  With his injury and weight issues, Sully is probably worth even less.  Ainge will trade anyone on this roster, even Smart, if he gets a good enough return for them.   

You just named two young promising players that could have contributed. Add KJ then add all the vets they cut that could have contributed. Everyone knows he was trading to tank. You are in denial if you dont think it was all for the tank. Return wasn't his concern getting DL bad was.

What contributing vets have we cut? Cut means something. Words mean things.

You're an idiot. I'm just going to say it. I've used facts as a cudgel against your cranium yet your head apparently is a rock. Here's a list of assets we've obtained for guys we... cut?

-Miami 2015 (top 10 protected pick)
-Lakers 2015(top 5 protected pick)
-New Orleans #10 Pick, flipped for #12 overall and 2017 76ers pick
-Nerlens Noel
-Jerami Grant
-Isaiah Canaan
-Denver 2nd
-OKC top 18 protected pick
-Orl 2nd
-I can't count the # of 2nd picks coming in. We have 5 this year.

I'm done with this stupidity. You just don't know what you're talking about. I've blasted some of the guys Sixers fans champion in this thread. The reality is though, that the Sixers have gotten a ton for the guys they've gotten rid of.

Why dont check your teams transactions? Better yet go back to the 76ers board that is were you can find plenty of people that might join your homer views. The rest of NBA fans don't need the 76er trolls posting about superstars and championships that may never come to be. Your GM and your team are the ultimate tankers don't try to sell it as any thing different here. Enjoy your DL games.

Please. Refute anything I've said.

Welcome to reality. You want to fit facts to an ill informed opinion, and I'm bringing that ignorance back to reality. Deal with it.

Lol dude what facts? We're are talking about opinions on the net for the players and moves. I say the trades have been too geared to be worse and tank. Your own 76ers fans had issues with some of the trades. You name assets like they are locks. You even forget where MCW was drafted when getting a possible worse pick slot in comparison with a 2016 LAL pick. That may be a loss. Oh and again the scrub players like they are border line all stars. Future picks as if they are guaranteed at the top of the draft. 2nds rounders as if they a big deal. You getting mad cause I'm not putting those trades up as good but straight tank trades. Take a look at where your team is in the standings bro. You are tanking and your players suck that is reality. Embid can be the new Oden. If Noel for his D is a superstar why isn't Smart? Please with your foolish asset talk go back to Libertyballess

As far as specific facts:


-The Sixers have never lost in terms of trade value in order to "get worse" (please, cite a trade if you disagree)

Evan Turner and Lavoy Allen for Danny "no knees" Granger and the Dubs second round pick this year?

That's exactly what they did here: traded to get worse.

The Sixers tried hard to get a 1st rounder for Turner but they couldn't find a GM stupid enough to do it.  They had no intention of resigning Turner so they had to settle for what they could get.  Considering how it turned out, I'd bet the Indy fans would say they lost that trade.

Lol no, there were reports they wanted to keep Turner but Turner chose Celtics. They didn't want Allen or Granger

[tazzmaniac]

I don't love philly roster or any single player yet by any stretch. Some of the moves they have made are pretty ugly as well. But I admire their guts to go full tank mode. I wouldn't want to C's to do it that way only because  it is too much risk IMO. You may have to suck 5 years before you are good. By then the first talent crop you drafted are already FAs and may walk cause they hate all the sucking so long. Then again if they hit like OKC and pay their players they are golden. I say good luck to them and hope it's a epic Atlantic division with a Good Knicks, 76ers, and C's. (NOT Nets)

What moves have they made that you think are ugly?  They are not just tanking to get better.  They have traded for several good 1st round picks and a bunch of 2nd rounders.  They have a lot of cap space available.  Their first talent crop consists of Noel (2nd year) and Saric (still in Europe so not under contract yet).  Players in their 1st contract become restricted free agents.  The only way they can just walk away is if they give up a lot of money by taking their qualifying offer.  Monroe did it this year but it doesn't happen very often.

I don't think my opinion would matter to you as I can tell you are all in with Philly but here it is. What I find ugly is waiving numerous NBA players though just bench quality is bad business. Taking on salary and cap hits in added years in some of the waivers for low 1st doesn't help as low 1st usually just net you bench players. 2nd round picks hardly ever make past 4 years in the NBA so those are probably garbage. I like the higher picks like the Laker one "potentially" but when you give up a player with talent and potential to get it it's just going in circles. Even when they moved Young they didn't get much just moved him to be a worse team, no good compensation for a player that was producing at okay $. KJ looked like a draft steal but he could have won them a few games by himself so he got traded, smh. The things I like that Philly has done is the drafting and the "guts" to put a DL team out every night to have a horrible record guaranteeing a top 5 pick. The waiver scrubs that philly fans want to call players are a not even worth talking about either. Hink isn't a genius he just has guts. Being as bad a as possible isn't hard. Getting low picks for NBA players isn't hard. Having cap space comes from not having any one on the team worth paying. Had Hink been scoring better deals I'd be impressed but right now his job is easy.

They got a mid 1st round pick for Thad Young who was a pending FA if he opted out(was going to happen). That pick could be anywhere between 11-16. For a slightly above average PF who can't really defend or rebound the position that well. Thad Young's trade value after half a season? The corpse of Kevin Garnett returning for half a season of feel good reunion videos in Minny.

KJ got traded because he is a pending RFA, is probably going to get overpaid, does nothing offensively and he got back a guy picked early in the 2nd + an early 2nd round pick. Hinkie essentially turned an early 2nd round pick for (2) early 2nd round picks...

2nd round picks are not garbage, just stop.

Taking on salary cap for a low first doesn't help? How? It's a first round pick, good players tend to be available late. The more chances you have to hit on one of those lotto tickets the better. If nothing else it is ammo to trade up.

Ish Smith, a 5 year journeyman who has played for like 8 teams has outperformed MCW this year. The fact that we got a probable top 10 pick for a guy who fits that statement is absurdly good value.

And you're completely ignoring that he essentially turned Jrue Holiday into 3 first round picks.

Those are some very weak excuses. Not wanting to pay guys? Really when you are at the cap min. Also most seconds are garbage unless they are like Philly's own. Oh C's own those. But good try. I like their drafting and guts, nothing else. Get over it Philly fans.

Those aren't weak excuses.  How is the Young trade any different than the Green trade except for the fact that Hinkie got much better value (mid 1st rounder vs. probable two seconds)?  There are plenty of cheap role players.  How is overpaying for role players and wasting cap space a good thing to do?  How is Hinkie taking on McGee's salary for a 1st significantly different from Ainge taking on Wallace's salary in exchange for an extra 1st?  Why should Hinkie have held on to MCW rather than trade him for the very good Lakers 1st?  Yes, second rounders are often misses.  That's why accumulating a bunch of them cheaply is a good thing to do.  Of the five second rounders Philly has this draft, two are currently at 35 and 37.

Age of players and prime years is a huge difference between guys DA traded and guys Hink traded. Hink gave up promising long term players for little to just get worse. DA didn't trade AB or Sully. Do you get it?

What promising long term players did he give up just to get a little worse?  He got at mid 1st rounder for Young.  He got a top 10 pick for MCW.  He turned Jrue Holliday into Noel, Saric and the return of their own 2017 1st rounder.  Notice all the value he got back.  He's not dumping anyone just to lose a few games.  Why should age of players matter?  Once you decide a player isn't someone you want to keep, you should trade that player when you get a good offer for them.  Ainge hasn't traded AB because he's only been offered late 1sts.  With his injury and weight issues, Sully is probably worth even less.  Ainge will trade anyone on this roster, even Smart, if he gets a good enough return for them.   

You just named two young promising players that could have contributed. Add KJ then add all the vets they cut that could have contributed. Everyone knows he was trading to tank. You are in denial if you dont think it was all for the tank. Return wasn't his concern getting DL bad was.

What contributing vets have we cut? Cut means something. Words mean things.

You're an idiot. I'm just going to say it. I've used facts as a cudgel against your cranium yet your head apparently is a rock. Here's a list of assets we've obtained for guys we... cut?

-Miami 2015 (top 10 protected pick)
-Lakers 2015(top 5 protected pick)
-New Orleans #10 Pick, flipped for #12 overall and 2017 76ers pick
-Nerlens Noel
-Jerami Grant
-Isaiah Canaan
-Denver 2nd
-OKC top 18 protected pick
-Orl 2nd
-I can't count the # of 2nd picks coming in. We have 5 this year.

I'm done with this stupidity. You just don't know what you're talking about. I've blasted some of the guys Sixers fans champion in this thread. The reality is though, that the Sixers have gotten a ton for the guys they've gotten rid of.

Why dont check your teams transactions? Better yet go back to the 76ers board that is were you can find plenty of people that might join your homer views. The rest of NBA fans don't need the 76er trolls posting about superstars and championships that may never come to be. Your GM and your team are the ultimate tankers don't try to sell it as any thing different here. Enjoy your DL games.

Please. Refute anything I've said.

Welcome to reality. You want to fit facts to an ill informed opinion, and I'm bringing that ignorance back to reality. Deal with it.

Lol dude what facts? We're are talking about opinions on the net for the players and moves. I say the trades have been too geared to be worse and tank. Your own 76ers fans had issues with some of the trades. You name assets like they are locks. You even forget where MCW was drafted when getting a possible worse pick slot in comparison with a 2016 LAL pick. That may be a loss. Oh and again the scrub players like they are border line all stars. Future picks as if they are guaranteed at the top of the draft. 2nds rounders as if they a big deal. You getting mad cause I'm not putting those trades up as good but straight tank trades. Take a look at where your team is in the standings bro. You are tanking and your players suck that is reality. Embid can be the new Oden. If Noel for his D is a superstar why isn't Smart? Please with your foolish asset talk go back to Libertyballess

As far as specific facts:


-The Sixers have never lost in terms of trade value in order to "get worse" (please, cite a trade if you disagree)

Evan Turner and Lavoy Allen for Danny "no knees" Granger and the Dubs second round pick this year?

That's exactly what they did here: traded to get worse.

The Sixers tried hard to get a 1st rounder for Turner but they couldn't find a GM stupid enough to do it.  They had no intention of resigning Turner so they had to settle for what they could get.  Considering how it turned out, I'd bet the Indy fans would say they lost that trade.

Lol no, there were reports they wanted to keep Turner but Turner chose Celtics. They didn't want Allen or Granger

The Pacers let Turner become an unrestricted free agent rather than extend him an 8.7mil qualifying offer.  A very smart decision on their part. 

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2014/06/30/indiana-pacers-evan-turner-nba/11822379/

[Who]

Questions for the Sixers fans:
1. When do you think the Sixers will build the roster like they are trying to win games?
2. When will the Sixers attempt to sign free agents?
3. Are you worried about top assets not reaching their full potential because of the situation they are in?
4. At what point do you think the Sixers will be better than the C's?

Obviously, Embiid is a huge variable in this because of his injury problems and the uncertainty surrounding his future ... so that adds a lot of doubt to the timeline ... but I'd say:

Philly will start to put something together around 12 months from now. After the 2016 draft. At that point, they will have (1) Noel (2) Embiid (3) top five 2015 draft pick (4) Saric (5) another top ten [probably top 5] pick in 2016.

That group will give them a good mix to start moving forward and to build a team around.

[Csfan1984]

I don't love philly roster or any single player yet by any stretch. Some of the moves they have made are pretty ugly as well. But I admire their guts to go full tank mode. I wouldn't want to C's to do it that way only because  it is too much risk IMO. You may have to suck 5 years before you are good. By then the first talent crop you drafted are already FAs and may walk cause they hate all the sucking so long. Then again if they hit like OKC and pay their players they are golden. I say good luck to them and hope it's a epic Atlantic division with a Good Knicks, 76ers, and C's. (NOT Nets)

What moves have they made that you think are ugly?  They are not just tanking to get better.  They have traded for several good 1st round picks and a bunch of 2nd rounders.  They have a lot of cap space available.  Their first talent crop consists of Noel (2nd year) and Saric (still in Europe so not under contract yet).  Players in their 1st contract become restricted free agents.  The only way they can just walk away is if they give up a lot of money by taking their qualifying offer.  Monroe did it this year but it doesn't happen very often.

I don't think my opinion would matter to you as I can tell you are all in with Philly but here it is. What I find ugly is waiving numerous NBA players though just bench quality is bad business. Taking on salary and cap hits in added years in some of the waivers for low 1st doesn't help as low 1st usually just net you bench players. 2nd round picks hardly ever make past 4 years in the NBA so those are probably garbage. I like the higher picks like the Laker one "potentially" but when you give up a player with talent and potential to get it it's just going in circles. Even when they moved Young they didn't get much just moved him to be a worse team, no good compensation for a player that was producing at okay $. KJ looked like a draft steal but he could have won them a few games by himself so he got traded, smh. The things I like that Philly has done is the drafting and the "guts" to put a DL team out every night to have a horrible record guaranteeing a top 5 pick. The waiver scrubs that philly fans want to call players are a not even worth talking about either. Hink isn't a genius he just has guts. Being as bad a as possible isn't hard. Getting low picks for NBA players isn't hard. Having cap space comes from not having any one on the team worth paying. Had Hink been scoring better deals I'd be impressed but right now his job is easy.

They got a mid 1st round pick for Thad Young who was a pending FA if he opted out(was going to happen). That pick could be anywhere between 11-16. For a slightly above average PF who can't really defend or rebound the position that well. Thad Young's trade value after half a season? The corpse of Kevin Garnett returning for half a season of feel good reunion videos in Minny.

KJ got traded because he is a pending RFA, is probably going to get overpaid, does nothing offensively and he got back a guy picked early in the 2nd + an early 2nd round pick. Hinkie essentially turned an early 2nd round pick for (2) early 2nd round picks...

2nd round picks are not garbage, just stop.

Taking on salary cap for a low first doesn't help? How? It's a first round pick, good players tend to be available late. The more chances you have to hit on one of those lotto tickets the better. If nothing else it is ammo to trade up.

Ish Smith, a 5 year journeyman who has played for like 8 teams has outperformed MCW this year. The fact that we got a probable top 10 pick for a guy who fits that statement is absurdly good value.

And you're completely ignoring that he essentially turned Jrue Holiday into 3 first round picks.

Those are some very weak excuses. Not wanting to pay guys? Really when you are at the cap min. Also most seconds are garbage unless they are like Philly's own. Oh C's own those. But good try. I like their drafting and guts, nothing else. Get over it Philly fans.

Those aren't weak excuses.  How is the Young trade any different than the Green trade except for the fact that Hinkie got much better value (mid 1st rounder vs. probable two seconds)?  There are plenty of cheap role players.  How is overpaying for role players and wasting cap space a good thing to do?  How is Hinkie taking on McGee's salary for a 1st significantly different from Ainge taking on Wallace's salary in exchange for an extra 1st?  Why should Hinkie have held on to MCW rather than trade him for the very good Lakers 1st?  Yes, second rounders are often misses.  That's why accumulating a bunch of them cheaply is a good thing to do.  Of the five second rounders Philly has this draft, two are currently at 35 and 37.

Age of players and prime years is a huge difference between guys DA traded and guys Hink traded. Hink gave up promising long term players for little to just get worse. DA didn't trade AB or Sully. Do you get it?

What promising long term players did he give up just to get a little worse?  He got at mid 1st rounder for Young.  He got a top 10 pick for MCW.  He turned Jrue Holliday into Noel, Saric and the return of their own 2017 1st rounder.  Notice all the value he got back.  He's not dumping anyone just to lose a few games.  Why should age of players matter?  Once you decide a player isn't someone you want to keep, you should trade that player when you get a good offer for them.  Ainge hasn't traded AB because he's only been offered late 1sts.  With his injury and weight issues, Sully is probably worth even less.  Ainge will trade anyone on this roster, even Smart, if he gets a good enough return for them.   

You just named two young promising players that could have contributed. Add KJ then add all the vets they cut that could have contributed. Everyone knows he was trading to tank. You are in denial if you dont think it was all for the tank. Return wasn't his concern getting DL bad was.

What contributing vets have we cut? Cut means something. Words mean things.

You're an idiot. I'm just going to say it. I've used facts as a cudgel against your cranium yet your head apparently is a rock. Here's a list of assets we've obtained for guys we... cut?

-Miami 2015 (top 10 protected pick)
-Lakers 2015(top 5 protected pick)
-New Orleans #10 Pick, flipped for #12 overall and 2017 76ers pick
-Nerlens Noel
-Jerami Grant
-Isaiah Canaan
-Denver 2nd
-OKC top 18 protected pick
-Orl 2nd
-I can't count the # of 2nd picks coming in. We have 5 this year.

I'm done with this stupidity. You just don't know what you're talking about. I've blasted some of the guys Sixers fans champion in this thread. The reality is though, that the Sixers have gotten a ton for the guys they've gotten rid of.

Why dont check your teams transactions? Better yet go back to the 76ers board that is were you can find plenty of people that might join your homer views. The rest of NBA fans don't need the 76er trolls posting about superstars and championships that may never come to be. Your GM and your team are the ultimate tankers don't try to sell it as any thing different here. Enjoy your DL games.

Please. Refute anything I've said.

Welcome to reality. You want to fit facts to an ill informed opinion, and I'm bringing that ignorance back to reality. Deal with it.

Lol dude what facts? We're are talking about opinions on the net for the players and moves. I say the trades have been too geared to be worse and tank. Your own 76ers fans had issues with some of the trades. You name assets like they are locks. You even forget where MCW was drafted when getting a possible worse pick slot in comparison with a 2016 LAL pick. That may be a loss. Oh and again the scrub players like they are border line all stars. Future picks as if they are guaranteed at the top of the draft. 2nds rounders as if they a big deal. You getting mad cause I'm not putting those trades up as good but straight tank trades. Take a look at where your team is in the standings bro. You are tanking and your players suck that is reality. Embid can be the new Oden. If Noel for his D is a superstar why isn't Smart? Please with your foolish asset talk go back to Libertyballess

As far as specific facts:


-The Sixers have never lost in terms of trade value in order to "get worse" (please, cite a trade if you disagree)

Evan Turner and Lavoy Allen for Danny "no knees" Granger and the Dubs second round pick this year?

That's exactly what they did here: traded to get worse.

The Sixers tried hard to get a 1st rounder for Turner but they couldn't find a GM stupid enough to do it.  They had no intention of resigning Turner so they had to settle for what they could get.  Considering how it turned out, I'd bet the Indy fans would say they lost that trade.

Lol no, there were reports they wanted to keep Turner but Turner chose Celtics. They didn't want Allen or Granger

The Pacers let Turner become an unrestricted free agent rather than extend him an 8.7mil qualifying offer.  A very smart decision on their part. 

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2014/06/30/indiana-pacers-evan-turner-nba/11822379/

Really you think that means they didn't want to keep him? Guess you think Pats didn't want to keep Revis then. Smh

[tazzmaniac]

I don't love philly roster or any single player yet by any stretch. Some of the moves they have made are pretty ugly as well. But I admire their guts to go full tank mode. I wouldn't want to C's to do it that way only because  it is too much risk IMO. You may have to suck 5 years before you are good. By then the first talent crop you drafted are already FAs and may walk cause they hate all the sucking so long. Then again if they hit like OKC and pay their players they are golden. I say good luck to them and hope it's a epic Atlantic division with a Good Knicks, 76ers, and C's. (NOT Nets)

What moves have they made that you think are ugly?  They are not just tanking to get better.  They have traded for several good 1st round picks and a bunch of 2nd rounders.  They have a lot of cap space available.  Their first talent crop consists of Noel (2nd year) and Saric (still in Europe so not under contract yet).  Players in their 1st contract become restricted free agents.  The only way they can just walk away is if they give up a lot of money by taking their qualifying offer.  Monroe did it this year but it doesn't happen very often.

I don't think my opinion would matter to you as I can tell you are all in with Philly but here it is. What I find ugly is waiving numerous NBA players though just bench quality is bad business. Taking on salary and cap hits in added years in some of the waivers for low 1st doesn't help as low 1st usually just net you bench players. 2nd round picks hardly ever make past 4 years in the NBA so those are probably garbage. I like the higher picks like the Laker one "potentially" but when you give up a player with talent and potential to get it it's just going in circles. Even when they moved Young they didn't get much just moved him to be a worse team, no good compensation for a player that was producing at okay $. KJ looked like a draft steal but he could have won them a few games by himself so he got traded, smh. The things I like that Philly has done is the drafting and the "guts" to put a DL team out every night to have a horrible record guaranteeing a top 5 pick. The waiver scrubs that philly fans want to call players are a not even worth talking about either. Hink isn't a genius he just has guts. Being as bad a as possible isn't hard. Getting low picks for NBA players isn't hard. Having cap space comes from not having any one on the team worth paying. Had Hink been scoring better deals I'd be impressed but right now his job is easy.

They got a mid 1st round pick for Thad Young who was a pending FA if he opted out(was going to happen). That pick could be anywhere between 11-16. For a slightly above average PF who can't really defend or rebound the position that well. Thad Young's trade value after half a season? The corpse of Kevin Garnett returning for half a season of feel good reunion videos in Minny.

KJ got traded because he is a pending RFA, is probably going to get overpaid, does nothing offensively and he got back a guy picked early in the 2nd + an early 2nd round pick. Hinkie essentially turned an early 2nd round pick for (2) early 2nd round picks...

2nd round picks are not garbage, just stop.

Taking on salary cap for a low first doesn't help? How? It's a first round pick, good players tend to be available late. The more chances you have to hit on one of those lotto tickets the better. If nothing else it is ammo to trade up.

Ish Smith, a 5 year journeyman who has played for like 8 teams has outperformed MCW this year. The fact that we got a probable top 10 pick for a guy who fits that statement is absurdly good value.

And you're completely ignoring that he essentially turned Jrue Holiday into 3 first round picks.

Those are some very weak excuses. Not wanting to pay guys? Really when you are at the cap min. Also most seconds are garbage unless they are like Philly's own. Oh C's own those. But good try. I like their drafting and guts, nothing else. Get over it Philly fans.

Those aren't weak excuses.  How is the Young trade any different than the Green trade except for the fact that Hinkie got much better value (mid 1st rounder vs. probable two seconds)?  There are plenty of cheap role players.  How is overpaying for role players and wasting cap space a good thing to do?  How is Hinkie taking on McGee's salary for a 1st significantly different from Ainge taking on Wallace's salary in exchange for an extra 1st?  Why should Hinkie have held on to MCW rather than trade him for the very good Lakers 1st?  Yes, second rounders are often misses.  That's why accumulating a bunch of them cheaply is a good thing to do.  Of the five second rounders Philly has this draft, two are currently at 35 and 37.

Age of players and prime years is a huge difference between guys DA traded and guys Hink traded. Hink gave up promising long term players for little to just get worse. DA didn't trade AB or Sully. Do you get it?

What promising long term players did he give up just to get a little worse?  He got at mid 1st rounder for Young.  He got a top 10 pick for MCW.  He turned Jrue Holliday into Noel, Saric and the return of their own 2017 1st rounder.  Notice all the value he got back.  He's not dumping anyone just to lose a few games.  Why should age of players matter?  Once you decide a player isn't someone you want to keep, you should trade that player when you get a good offer for them.  Ainge hasn't traded AB because he's only been offered late 1sts.  With his injury and weight issues, Sully is probably worth even less.  Ainge will trade anyone on this roster, even Smart, if he gets a good enough return for them.   

You just named two young promising players that could have contributed. Add KJ then add all the vets they cut that could have contributed. Everyone knows he was trading to tank. You are in denial if you dont think it was all for the tank. Return wasn't his concern getting DL bad was.

What contributing vets have we cut? Cut means something. Words mean things.

You're an idiot. I'm just going to say it. I've used facts as a cudgel against your cranium yet your head apparently is a rock. Here's a list of assets we've obtained for guys we... cut?

-Miami 2015 (top 10 protected pick)
-Lakers 2015(top 5 protected pick)
-New Orleans #10 Pick, flipped for #12 overall and 2017 76ers pick
-Nerlens Noel
-Jerami Grant
-Isaiah Canaan
-Denver 2nd
-OKC top 18 protected pick
-Orl 2nd
-I can't count the # of 2nd picks coming in. We have 5 this year.

I'm done with this stupidity. You just don't know what you're talking about. I've blasted some of the guys Sixers fans champion in this thread. The reality is though, that the Sixers have gotten a ton for the guys they've gotten rid of.

Why dont check your teams transactions? Better yet go back to the 76ers board that is were you can find plenty of people that might join your homer views. The rest of NBA fans don't need the 76er trolls posting about superstars and championships that may never come to be. Your GM and your team are the ultimate tankers don't try to sell it as any thing different here. Enjoy your DL games.

Please. Refute anything I've said.

Welcome to reality. You want to fit facts to an ill informed opinion, and I'm bringing that ignorance back to reality. Deal with it.

Lol dude what facts? We're are talking about opinions on the net for the players and moves. I say the trades have been too geared to be worse and tank. Your own 76ers fans had issues with some of the trades. You name assets like they are locks. You even forget where MCW was drafted when getting a possible worse pick slot in comparison with a 2016 LAL pick. That may be a loss. Oh and again the scrub players like they are border line all stars. Future picks as if they are guaranteed at the top of the draft. 2nds rounders as if they a big deal. You getting mad cause I'm not putting those trades up as good but straight tank trades. Take a look at where your team is in the standings bro. You are tanking and your players suck that is reality. Embid can be the new Oden. If Noel for his D is a superstar why isn't Smart? Please with your foolish asset talk go back to Libertyballess

As far as specific facts:


-The Sixers have never lost in terms of trade value in order to "get worse" (please, cite a trade if you disagree)

Evan Turner and Lavoy Allen for Danny "no knees" Granger and the Dubs second round pick this year?

That's exactly what they did here: traded to get worse.

The Sixers tried hard to get a 1st rounder for Turner but they couldn't find a GM stupid enough to do it.  They had no intention of resigning Turner so they had to settle for what they could get.  Considering how it turned out, I'd bet the Indy fans would say they lost that trade.

Lol no, there were reports they wanted to keep Turner but Turner chose Celtics. They didn't want Allen or Granger

The Pacers let Turner become an unrestricted free agent rather than extend him an 8.7mil qualifying offer.  A very smart decision on their part. 

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2014/06/30/indiana-pacers-evan-turner-nba/11822379/

Really you think that means they didn't want to keep him? Guess you think Pats didn't want to keep Revis then. Smh

The Pacers, just like the Sixers, decided that Turner wasn't worth the high cost that it would require to retain him.  They both made the right financial decision.  The Sixers weren't going to re-sign Turner so they traded him to get what little value they could rather than letting him walk for nothing.  Ainge picked up Turner cheap in the hopes of rebuilding his trade value.  Hopefully it works and we can get a late 1st for him. 

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I don't love philly roster or any single player yet by any stretch. Some of the moves they have made are pretty ugly as well. But I admire their guts to go full tank mode. I wouldn't want to C's to do it that way only because  it is too much risk IMO. You may have to suck 5 years before you are good. By then the first talent crop you drafted are already FAs and may walk cause they hate all the sucking so long. Then again if they hit like OKC and pay their players they are golden. I say good luck to them and hope it's a epic Atlantic division with a Good Knicks, 76ers, and C's. (NOT Nets)

What moves have they made that you think are ugly?  They are not just tanking to get better.  They have traded for several good 1st round picks and a bunch of 2nd rounders.  They have a lot of cap space available.  Their first talent crop consists of Noel (2nd year) and Saric (still in Europe so not under contract yet).  Players in their 1st contract become restricted free agents.  The only way they can just walk away is if they give up a lot of money by taking their qualifying offer.  Monroe did it this year but it doesn't happen very often.

I don't think my opinion would matter to you as I can tell you are all in with Philly but here it is. What I find ugly is waiving numerous NBA players though just bench quality is bad business. Taking on salary and cap hits in added years in some of the waivers for low 1st doesn't help as low 1st usually just net you bench players. 2nd round picks hardly ever make past 4 years in the NBA so those are probably garbage. I like the higher picks like the Laker one "potentially" but when you give up a player with talent and potential to get it it's just going in circles. Even when they moved Young they didn't get much just moved him to be a worse team, no good compensation for a player that was producing at okay $. KJ looked like a draft steal but he could have won them a few games by himself so he got traded, smh. The things I like that Philly has done is the drafting and the "guts" to put a DL team out every night to have a horrible record guaranteeing a top 5 pick. The waiver scrubs that philly fans want to call players are a not even worth talking about either. Hink isn't a genius he just has guts. Being as bad a as possible isn't hard. Getting low picks for NBA players isn't hard. Having cap space comes from not having any one on the team worth paying. Had Hink been scoring better deals I'd be impressed but right now his job is easy.

They got a mid 1st round pick for Thad Young who was a pending FA if he opted out(was going to happen). That pick could be anywhere between 11-16. For a slightly above average PF who can't really defend or rebound the position that well. Thad Young's trade value after half a season? The corpse of Kevin Garnett returning for half a season of feel good reunion videos in Minny.

KJ got traded because he is a pending RFA, is probably going to get overpaid, does nothing offensively and he got back a guy picked early in the 2nd + an early 2nd round pick. Hinkie essentially turned an early 2nd round pick for (2) early 2nd round picks...

2nd round picks are not garbage, just stop.

Taking on salary cap for a low first doesn't help? How? It's a first round pick, good players tend to be available late. The more chances you have to hit on one of those lotto tickets the better. If nothing else it is ammo to trade up.

Ish Smith, a 5 year journeyman who has played for like 8 teams has outperformed MCW this year. The fact that we got a probable top 10 pick for a guy who fits that statement is absurdly good value.

And you're completely ignoring that he essentially turned Jrue Holiday into 3 first round picks.

Those are some very weak excuses. Not wanting to pay guys? Really when you are at the cap min. Also most seconds are garbage unless they are like Philly's own. Oh C's own those. But good try. I like their drafting and guts, nothing else. Get over it Philly fans.

Those aren't weak excuses.  How is the Young trade any different than the Green trade except for the fact that Hinkie got much better value (mid 1st rounder vs. probable two seconds)?  There are plenty of cheap role players.  How is overpaying for role players and wasting cap space a good thing to do?  How is Hinkie taking on McGee's salary for a 1st significantly different from Ainge taking on Wallace's salary in exchange for an extra 1st?  Why should Hinkie have held on to MCW rather than trade him for the very good Lakers 1st?  Yes, second rounders are often misses.  That's why accumulating a bunch of them cheaply is a good thing to do.  Of the five second rounders Philly has this draft, two are currently at 35 and 37.

Age of players and prime years is a huge difference between guys DA traded and guys Hink traded. Hink gave up promising long term players for little to just get worse. DA didn't trade AB or Sully. Do you get it?

What promising long term players did he give up just to get a little worse?  He got at mid 1st rounder for Young.  He got a top 10 pick for MCW.  He turned Jrue Holliday into Noel, Saric and the return of their own 2017 1st rounder.  Notice all the value he got back.  He's not dumping anyone just to lose a few games.  Why should age of players matter?  Once you decide a player isn't someone you want to keep, you should trade that player when you get a good offer for them.  Ainge hasn't traded AB because he's only been offered late 1sts.  With his injury and weight issues, Sully is probably worth even less.  Ainge will trade anyone on this roster, even Smart, if he gets a good enough return for them.   

You just named two young promising players that could have contributed. Add KJ then add all the vets they cut that could have contributed. Everyone knows he was trading to tank. You are in denial if you dont think it was all for the tank. Return wasn't his concern getting DL bad was.

What contributing vets have we cut? Cut means something. Words mean things.

You're an idiot. I'm just going to say it. I've used facts as a cudgel against your cranium yet your head apparently is a rock. Here's a list of assets we've obtained for guys we... cut?

-Miami 2015 (top 10 protected pick)
-Lakers 2015(top 5 protected pick)
-New Orleans #10 Pick, flipped for #12 overall and 2017 76ers pick
-Nerlens Noel
-Jerami Grant
-Isaiah Canaan
-Denver 2nd
-OKC top 18 protected pick
-Orl 2nd
-I can't count the # of 2nd picks coming in. We have 5 this year.

I'm done with this stupidity. You just don't know what you're talking about. I've blasted some of the guys Sixers fans champion in this thread. The reality is though, that the Sixers have gotten a ton for the guys they've gotten rid of.

Why dont check your teams transactions? Better yet go back to the 76ers board that is were you can find plenty of people that might join your homer views. The rest of NBA fans don't need the 76er trolls posting about superstars and championships that may never come to be. Your GM and your team are the ultimate tankers don't try to sell it as any thing different here. Enjoy your DL games.

Please. Refute anything I've said.

Welcome to reality. You want to fit facts to an ill informed opinion, and I'm bringing that ignorance back to reality. Deal with it.

Lol dude what facts? We're are talking about opinions on the net for the players and moves. I say the trades have been too geared to be worse and tank. Your own 76ers fans had issues with some of the trades. You name assets like they are locks. You even forget where MCW was drafted when getting a possible worse pick slot in comparison with a 2016 LAL pick. That may be a loss. Oh and again the scrub players like they are border line all stars. Future picks as if they are guaranteed at the top of the draft. 2nds rounders as if they a big deal. You getting mad cause I'm not putting those trades up as good but straight tank trades. Take a look at where your team is in the standings bro. You are tanking and your players suck that is reality. Embid can be the new Oden. If Noel for his D is a superstar why isn't Smart? Please with your foolish asset talk go back to Libertyballess

As far as specific facts:


-The Sixers have never lost in terms of trade value in order to "get worse" (please, cite a trade if you disagree)

Evan Turner and Lavoy Allen for Danny "no knees" Granger and the Dubs second round pick this year?

That's exactly what they did here: traded to get worse.

The Sixers tried hard to get a 1st rounder for Turner but they couldn't find a GM stupid enough to do it.  They had no intention of resigning Turner so they had to settle for what they could get.  Considering how it turned out, I'd bet the Indy fans would say they lost that trade.

Lol no, there were reports they wanted to keep Turner but Turner chose Celtics. They didn't want Allen or Granger

The Pacers let Turner become an unrestricted free agent rather than extend him an 8.7mil qualifying offer.  A very smart decision on their part. 

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2014/06/30/indiana-pacers-evan-turner-nba/11822379/

Really you think that means they didn't want to keep him? Guess you think Pats didn't want to keep Revis then. Smh

The Pacers, just like the Sixers, decided that Turner wasn't worth the high cost that it would require to retain him.  They both made the right financial decision.  The Sixers weren't going to re-sign Turner so they traded him to get what little value they could rather than letting him walk for nothing.  Ainge picked up Turner cheap in the hopes of rebuilding his trade value.  Hopefully it works and we can get a late 1st for him.

No Turner had same basic offer from C's and Pacers he chose C's. It not that they didn't want him.

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I don't love philly roster or any single player yet by any stretch. Some of the moves they have made are pretty ugly as well. But I admire their guts to go full tank mode. I wouldn't want to C's to do it that way only because  it is too much risk IMO. You may have to suck 5 years before you are good. By then the first talent crop you drafted are already FAs and may walk cause they hate all the sucking so long. Then again if they hit like OKC and pay their players they are golden. I say good luck to them and hope it's a epic Atlantic division with a Good Knicks, 76ers, and C's. (NOT Nets)

What moves have they made that you think are ugly?  They are not just tanking to get better.  They have traded for several good 1st round picks and a bunch of 2nd rounders.  They have a lot of cap space available.  Their first talent crop consists of Noel (2nd year) and Saric (still in Europe so not under contract yet).  Players in their 1st contract become restricted free agents.  The only way they can just walk away is if they give up a lot of money by taking their qualifying offer.  Monroe did it this year but it doesn't happen very often.

I don't think my opinion would matter to you as I can tell you are all in with Philly but here it is. What I find ugly is waiving numerous NBA players though just bench quality is bad business. Taking on salary and cap hits in added years in some of the waivers for low 1st doesn't help as low 1st usually just net you bench players. 2nd round picks hardly ever make past 4 years in the NBA so those are probably garbage. I like the higher picks like the Laker one "potentially" but when you give up a player with talent and potential to get it it's just going in circles. Even when they moved Young they didn't get much just moved him to be a worse team, no good compensation for a player that was producing at okay $. KJ looked like a draft steal but he could have won them a few games by himself so he got traded, smh. The things I like that Philly has done is the drafting and the "guts" to put a DL team out every night to have a horrible record guaranteeing a top 5 pick. The waiver scrubs that philly fans want to call players are a not even worth talking about either. Hink isn't a genius he just has guts. Being as bad a as possible isn't hard. Getting low picks for NBA players isn't hard. Having cap space comes from not having any one on the team worth paying. Had Hink been scoring better deals I'd be impressed but right now his job is easy.

They got a mid 1st round pick for Thad Young who was a pending FA if he opted out(was going to happen). That pick could be anywhere between 11-16. For a slightly above average PF who can't really defend or rebound the position that well. Thad Young's trade value after half a season? The corpse of Kevin Garnett returning for half a season of feel good reunion videos in Minny.

KJ got traded because he is a pending RFA, is probably going to get overpaid, does nothing offensively and he got back a guy picked early in the 2nd + an early 2nd round pick. Hinkie essentially turned an early 2nd round pick for (2) early 2nd round picks...

2nd round picks are not garbage, just stop.

Taking on salary cap for a low first doesn't help? How? It's a first round pick, good players tend to be available late. The more chances you have to hit on one of those lotto tickets the better. If nothing else it is ammo to trade up.

Ish Smith, a 5 year journeyman who has played for like 8 teams has outperformed MCW this year. The fact that we got a probable top 10 pick for a guy who fits that statement is absurdly good value.

And you're completely ignoring that he essentially turned Jrue Holiday into 3 first round picks.

Those are some very weak excuses. Not wanting to pay guys? Really when you are at the cap min. Also most seconds are garbage unless they are like Philly's own. Oh C's own those. But good try. I like their drafting and guts, nothing else. Get over it Philly fans.

Those aren't weak excuses.  How is the Young trade any different than the Green trade except for the fact that Hinkie got much better value (mid 1st rounder vs. probable two seconds)?  There are plenty of cheap role players.  How is overpaying for role players and wasting cap space a good thing to do?  How is Hinkie taking on McGee's salary for a 1st significantly different from Ainge taking on Wallace's salary in exchange for an extra 1st?  Why should Hinkie have held on to MCW rather than trade him for the very good Lakers 1st?  Yes, second rounders are often misses.  That's why accumulating a bunch of them cheaply is a good thing to do.  Of the five second rounders Philly has this draft, two are currently at 35 and 37.

Age of players and prime years is a huge difference between guys DA traded and guys Hink traded. Hink gave up promising long term players for little to just get worse. DA didn't trade AB or Sully. Do you get it?

What promising long term players did he give up just to get a little worse?  He got at mid 1st rounder for Young.  He got a top 10 pick for MCW.  He turned Jrue Holliday into Noel, Saric and the return of their own 2017 1st rounder.  Notice all the value he got back.  He's not dumping anyone just to lose a few games.  Why should age of players matter?  Once you decide a player isn't someone you want to keep, you should trade that player when you get a good offer for them.  Ainge hasn't traded AB because he's only been offered late 1sts.  With his injury and weight issues, Sully is probably worth even less.  Ainge will trade anyone on this roster, even Smart, if he gets a good enough return for them.   

You just named two young promising players that could have contributed. Add KJ then add all the vets they cut that could have contributed. Everyone knows he was trading to tank. You are in denial if you dont think it was all for the tank. Return wasn't his concern getting DL bad was.

What contributing vets have we cut? Cut means something. Words mean things.

You're an idiot. I'm just going to say it. I've used facts as a cudgel against your cranium yet your head apparently is a rock. Here's a list of assets we've obtained for guys we... cut?

-Miami 2015 (top 10 protected pick)
-Lakers 2015(top 5 protected pick)
-New Orleans #10 Pick, flipped for #12 overall and 2017 76ers pick
-Nerlens Noel
-Jerami Grant
-Isaiah Canaan
-Denver 2nd
-OKC top 18 protected pick
-Orl 2nd
-I can't count the # of 2nd picks coming in. We have 5 this year.

I'm done with this stupidity. You just don't know what you're talking about. I've blasted some of the guys Sixers fans champion in this thread. The reality is though, that the Sixers have gotten a ton for the guys they've gotten rid of.

Why dont check your teams transactions? Better yet go back to the 76ers board that is were you can find plenty of people that might join your homer views. The rest of NBA fans don't need the 76er trolls posting about superstars and championships that may never come to be. Your GM and your team are the ultimate tankers don't try to sell it as any thing different here. Enjoy your DL games.

Please. Refute anything I've said.

Welcome to reality. You want to fit facts to an ill informed opinion, and I'm bringing that ignorance back to reality. Deal with it.

Lol dude what facts? We're are talking about opinions on the net for the players and moves. I say the trades have been too geared to be worse and tank. Your own 76ers fans had issues with some of the trades. You name assets like they are locks. You even forget where MCW was drafted when getting a possible worse pick slot in comparison with a 2016 LAL pick. That may be a loss. Oh and again the scrub players like they are border line all stars. Future picks as if they are guaranteed at the top of the draft. 2nds rounders as if they a big deal. You getting mad cause I'm not putting those trades up as good but straight tank trades. Take a look at where your team is in the standings bro. You are tanking and your players suck that is reality. Embid can be the new Oden. If Noel for his D is a superstar why isn't Smart? Please with your foolish asset talk go back to Libertyballess

You're mental. You're just making things up that have never happened now.

Where did I say Noel was a superstar? Although he's definitely a better player than Marcus Smart because he's a better defender.

You haven't supported your opinion with anything but more of your opinion. You said he got bad returns in the . If you believe that, you are a moron. Jrue Holiday for 3 first round picks? Whenever you have the opportunity to refuse 3 first round picks(two in the top 10) for an average start at the league's deepest position you totally turn it down. That's just what you do.

What scrub player have I called a borderline all star?

What future pick have I said was guaranteed at the top of the draft? MCW was picked at 11. a year and a half ago. In that time his biggest weakness has shown no improvement. You don't hang onto a guy you don't like because of "well he's worth less than the pick we're being offered but technically he was the 11 pick and if an awful team lead by a terrible player that uses 35% of his teams possession might leap to pick 12." What kind of GM would analyze trade value like that?

The fan of a team with a losing record in a terrible conference just dropped "check the standings." Seriously? You realize that for you to win a championship you still need to find the two best players on those teams. It's not impossible and Ainge is a good GM, but the fact that you've stocked a roster full of role players before having the roles of them to play doesn't make you closer to a championship.

Here's the hilarious thing. Hinkie and Ainge are using the exact same strategy. Yet your butt hurt never stops.

Not wanting things to be true doesn't make them false. That's not how life works.

I wouldn't trade Smart straight up for Noel. I think you are over valuing Noel. He's got practically no game on offense and is lost on Defense.

And are you a Sixers fan? Cause....

One thing I learned a while back was how jealous Philly people are. I went to a double header NCAA tourney about 8 years ago. Uconn was playing Kentucky back when Rondo was on the team and Villanova was playing Arizona. They were in different regions but they were both set to play at the Wachovia center in Philly. The Philly crowd actually got more into the Uconn game, which they had no team to root for, because of how much they were jealous of Uconn. The whole game, the crowd was pretty loud booing Uconn. Then the Villanova game, I felt like I was more into rooting for them, since they were a bigeast team, then the actual Philly fans.

Another thing I dislike about Philly people is how they think they own the cheese steak. I've had plenty of steak and cheeses that were just as good at other places.

Lost on defense? Please explain, he's the only player in the NBA who is in the top 10 for blocks and steals. He's great at PnR defense and protects the rim. He's one of the best rookie defenders ever. He's in a completely different league defensively than any other rookie in this class. He's going to be peak Marcus Camby for a decade if he doesn't get hurt.

And what exactly does Smart provide offensively? He's inefficient, can;t get to the rim and a below average 3 pt shooter.

There's a reason Noel is in the convo for ROY and Smart is not.

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I don't love philly roster or any single player yet by any stretch. Some of the moves they have made are pretty ugly as well. But I admire their guts to go full tank mode. I wouldn't want to C's to do it that way only because  it is too much risk IMO. You may have to suck 5 years before you are good. By then the first talent crop you drafted are already FAs and may walk cause they hate all the sucking so long. Then again if they hit like OKC and pay their players they are golden. I say good luck to them and hope it's a epic Atlantic division with a Good Knicks, 76ers, and C's. (NOT Nets)

What moves have they made that you think are ugly?  They are not just tanking to get better.  They have traded for several good 1st round picks and a bunch of 2nd rounders.  They have a lot of cap space available.  Their first talent crop consists of Noel (2nd year) and Saric (still in Europe so not under contract yet).  Players in their 1st contract become restricted free agents.  The only way they can just walk away is if they give up a lot of money by taking their qualifying offer.  Monroe did it this year but it doesn't happen very often.

I don't think my opinion would matter to you as I can tell you are all in with Philly but here it is. What I find ugly is waiving numerous NBA players though just bench quality is bad business. Taking on salary and cap hits in added years in some of the waivers for low 1st doesn't help as low 1st usually just net you bench players. 2nd round picks hardly ever make past 4 years in the NBA so those are probably garbage. I like the higher picks like the Laker one "potentially" but when you give up a player with talent and potential to get it it's just going in circles. Even when they moved Young they didn't get much just moved him to be a worse team, no good compensation for a player that was producing at okay $. KJ looked like a draft steal but he could have won them a few games by himself so he got traded, smh. The things I like that Philly has done is the drafting and the "guts" to put a DL team out every night to have a horrible record guaranteeing a top 5 pick. The waiver scrubs that philly fans want to call players are a not even worth talking about either. Hink isn't a genius he just has guts. Being as bad a as possible isn't hard. Getting low picks for NBA players isn't hard. Having cap space comes from not having any one on the team worth paying. Had Hink been scoring better deals I'd be impressed but right now his job is easy.

They got a mid 1st round pick for Thad Young who was a pending FA if he opted out(was going to happen). That pick could be anywhere between 11-16. For a slightly above average PF who can't really defend or rebound the position that well. Thad Young's trade value after half a season? The corpse of Kevin Garnett returning for half a season of feel good reunion videos in Minny.

KJ got traded because he is a pending RFA, is probably going to get overpaid, does nothing offensively and he got back a guy picked early in the 2nd + an early 2nd round pick. Hinkie essentially turned an early 2nd round pick for (2) early 2nd round picks...

2nd round picks are not garbage, just stop.

Taking on salary cap for a low first doesn't help? How? It's a first round pick, good players tend to be available late. The more chances you have to hit on one of those lotto tickets the better. If nothing else it is ammo to trade up.

Ish Smith, a 5 year journeyman who has played for like 8 teams has outperformed MCW this year. The fact that we got a probable top 10 pick for a guy who fits that statement is absurdly good value.

And you're completely ignoring that he essentially turned Jrue Holiday into 3 first round picks.

Those are some very weak excuses. Not wanting to pay guys? Really when you are at the cap min. Also most seconds are garbage unless they are like Philly's own. Oh C's own those. But good try. I like their drafting and guts, nothing else. Get over it Philly fans.

Those aren't weak excuses.  How is the Young trade any different than the Green trade except for the fact that Hinkie got much better value (mid 1st rounder vs. probable two seconds)?  There are plenty of cheap role players.  How is overpaying for role players and wasting cap space a good thing to do?  How is Hinkie taking on McGee's salary for a 1st significantly different from Ainge taking on Wallace's salary in exchange for an extra 1st?  Why should Hinkie have held on to MCW rather than trade him for the very good Lakers 1st?  Yes, second rounders are often misses.  That's why accumulating a bunch of them cheaply is a good thing to do.  Of the five second rounders Philly has this draft, two are currently at 35 and 37.

Age of players and prime years is a huge difference between guys DA traded and guys Hink traded. Hink gave up promising long term players for little to just get worse. DA didn't trade AB or Sully. Do you get it?

What promising long term players did he give up just to get a little worse?  He got at mid 1st rounder for Young.  He got a top 10 pick for MCW.  He turned Jrue Holliday into Noel, Saric and the return of their own 2017 1st rounder.  Notice all the value he got back.  He's not dumping anyone just to lose a few games.  Why should age of players matter?  Once you decide a player isn't someone you want to keep, you should trade that player when you get a good offer for them.  Ainge hasn't traded AB because he's only been offered late 1sts.  With his injury and weight issues, Sully is probably worth even less.  Ainge will trade anyone on this roster, even Smart, if he gets a good enough return for them.   

You just named two young promising players that could have contributed. Add KJ then add all the vets they cut that could have contributed. Everyone knows he was trading to tank. You are in denial if you dont think it was all for the tank. Return wasn't his concern getting DL bad was.

What contributing vets have we cut? Cut means something. Words mean things.

You're an idiot. I'm just going to say it. I've used facts as a cudgel against your cranium yet your head apparently is a rock. Here's a list of assets we've obtained for guys we... cut?

-Miami 2015 (top 10 protected pick)
-Lakers 2015(top 5 protected pick)
-New Orleans #10 Pick, flipped for #12 overall and 2017 76ers pick
-Nerlens Noel
-Jerami Grant
-Isaiah Canaan
-Denver 2nd
-OKC top 18 protected pick
-Orl 2nd
-I can't count the # of 2nd picks coming in. We have 5 this year.

I'm done with this stupidity. You just don't know what you're talking about. I've blasted some of the guys Sixers fans champion in this thread. The reality is though, that the Sixers have gotten a ton for the guys they've gotten rid of.

Why dont check your teams transactions? Better yet go back to the 76ers board that is were you can find plenty of people that might join your homer views. The rest of NBA fans don't need the 76er trolls posting about superstars and championships that may never come to be. Your GM and your team are the ultimate tankers don't try to sell it as any thing different here. Enjoy your DL games.

Please. Refute anything I've said.

Welcome to reality. You want to fit facts to an ill informed opinion, and I'm bringing that ignorance back to reality. Deal with it.

Lol dude what facts? We're are talking about opinions on the net for the players and moves. I say the trades have been too geared to be worse and tank. Your own 76ers fans had issues with some of the trades. You name assets like they are locks. You even forget where MCW was drafted when getting a possible worse pick slot in comparison with a 2016 LAL pick. That may be a loss. Oh and again the scrub players like they are border line all stars. Future picks as if they are guaranteed at the top of the draft. 2nds rounders as if they a big deal. You getting mad cause I'm not putting those trades up as good but straight tank trades. Take a look at where your team is in the standings bro. You are tanking and your players suck that is reality. Embid can be the new Oden. If Noel for his D is a superstar why isn't Smart? Please with your foolish asset talk go back to Libertyballess

As far as specific facts:


-The Sixers have never lost in terms of trade value in order to "get worse" (please, cite a trade if you disagree)

Evan Turner and Lavoy Allen for Danny "no knees" Granger and the Dubs second round pick this year?

That's exactly what they did here: traded to get worse.

Trading a pending FA who they had no intention of re-signing because he sucks is making a conscious decision with the intent of getting worse?

If they had wanted to get worse they'd have traded Thad Young that year instead of in the offseason. Or they'd have traded/released Turner earlier to have him off the roster sooner.

Hinkie waited until the deadline trying to get as much as he could for Turner, but as it turns out the rest of the league knew Turner sucks too.

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Questions for the Sixers fans:
1. When do you think the Sixers will build the roster like they are trying to win games?
2. When will the Sixers attempt to sign free agents?
3. Are you worried about top assets not reaching their full potential because of the situation they are in?
4. At what point do you think the Sixers will be better than the C's?

1. The 2016 off season. Saric, 2015 1st(s), Embiid, Noel, Grant, Covington, 2016 1st(s). That's probably what the core looks like unless they go all in on a trade. But even then the roster needs too much work to really construct itself as a playoff contender until the 16-17 season.

2. Same answer. Although they may use their abundance of cap space this offeason for a guy like Middleton. Who knows, the guys that the FO tends to like are mostly RFAs this year instead of UFAs.

3. To be honest I think we're one of the top 5-10 player development teams/situations. For all the losing culture talk the team pays hard, has a defensive identity and has shown significant improvement this year. Much like Brad probably doesn't get his due because the C's are a fringe playoff team in the East Brown doesn't because the Sixers are a magnet for scorching hot takes from people who've watched them for 5 minutes all year.

4. They may never be better than the Celtics with this iteration of the team. Joel Embiid turning into Greg Oden 2.0, Nerlens stopping offensive development and some misses on draft picks makes for a team struggling to get the 8th seed. If Embiid turns into the next Hakeem, Nerlens Noel becomes a DPOY who is an average offensive player, Saric runs the offense like Brad Miller and the picks more or less pan out then we're a contender. Who knows?

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I don't love philly roster or any single player yet by any stretch. Some of the moves they have made are pretty ugly as well. But I admire their guts to go full tank mode. I wouldn't want to C's to do it that way only because  it is too much risk IMO. You may have to suck 5 years before you are good. By then the first talent crop you drafted are already FAs and may walk cause they hate all the sucking so long. Then again if they hit like OKC and pay their players they are golden. I say good luck to them and hope it's a epic Atlantic division with a Good Knicks, 76ers, and C's. (NOT Nets)

What moves have they made that you think are ugly?  They are not just tanking to get better.  They have traded for several good 1st round picks and a bunch of 2nd rounders.  They have a lot of cap space available.  Their first talent crop consists of Noel (2nd year) and Saric (still in Europe so not under contract yet).  Players in their 1st contract become restricted free agents.  The only way they can just walk away is if they give up a lot of money by taking their qualifying offer.  Monroe did it this year but it doesn't happen very often.

I don't think my opinion would matter to you as I can tell you are all in with Philly but here it is. What I find ugly is waiving numerous NBA players though just bench quality is bad business. Taking on salary and cap hits in added years in some of the waivers for low 1st doesn't help as low 1st usually just net you bench players. 2nd round picks hardly ever make past 4 years in the NBA so those are probably garbage. I like the higher picks like the Laker one "potentially" but when you give up a player with talent and potential to get it it's just going in circles. Even when they moved Young they didn't get much just moved him to be a worse team, no good compensation for a player that was producing at okay $. KJ looked like a draft steal but he could have won them a few games by himself so he got traded, smh. The things I like that Philly has done is the drafting and the "guts" to put a DL team out every night to have a horrible record guaranteeing a top 5 pick. The waiver scrubs that philly fans want to call players are a not even worth talking about either. Hink isn't a genius he just has guts. Being as bad a as possible isn't hard. Getting low picks for NBA players isn't hard. Having cap space comes from not having any one on the team worth paying. Had Hink been scoring better deals I'd be impressed but right now his job is easy.

They got a mid 1st round pick for Thad Young who was a pending FA if he opted out(was going to happen). That pick could be anywhere between 11-16. For a slightly above average PF who can't really defend or rebound the position that well. Thad Young's trade value after half a season? The corpse of Kevin Garnett returning for half a season of feel good reunion videos in Minny.

KJ got traded because he is a pending RFA, is probably going to get overpaid, does nothing offensively and he got back a guy picked early in the 2nd + an early 2nd round pick. Hinkie essentially turned an early 2nd round pick for (2) early 2nd round picks...

2nd round picks are not garbage, just stop.

Taking on salary cap for a low first doesn't help? How? It's a first round pick, good players tend to be available late. The more chances you have to hit on one of those lotto tickets the better. If nothing else it is ammo to trade up.

Ish Smith, a 5 year journeyman who has played for like 8 teams has outperformed MCW this year. The fact that we got a probable top 10 pick for a guy who fits that statement is absurdly good value.

And you're completely ignoring that he essentially turned Jrue Holiday into 3 first round picks.

Those are some very weak excuses. Not wanting to pay guys? Really when you are at the cap min. Also most seconds are garbage unless they are like Philly's own. Oh C's own those. But good try. I like their drafting and guts, nothing else. Get over it Philly fans.

Those aren't weak excuses.  How is the Young trade any different than the Green trade except for the fact that Hinkie got much better value (mid 1st rounder vs. probable two seconds)?  There are plenty of cheap role players.  How is overpaying for role players and wasting cap space a good thing to do?  How is Hinkie taking on McGee's salary for a 1st significantly different from Ainge taking on Wallace's salary in exchange for an extra 1st?  Why should Hinkie have held on to MCW rather than trade him for the very good Lakers 1st?  Yes, second rounders are often misses.  That's why accumulating a bunch of them cheaply is a good thing to do.  Of the five second rounders Philly has this draft, two are currently at 35 and 37.

Age of players and prime years is a huge difference between guys DA traded and guys Hink traded. Hink gave up promising long term players for little to just get worse. DA didn't trade AB or Sully. Do you get it?

What promising long term players did he give up just to get a little worse?  He got at mid 1st rounder for Young.  He got a top 10 pick for MCW.  He turned Jrue Holliday into Noel, Saric and the return of their own 2017 1st rounder.  Notice all the value he got back.  He's not dumping anyone just to lose a few games.  Why should age of players matter?  Once you decide a player isn't someone you want to keep, you should trade that player when you get a good offer for them.  Ainge hasn't traded AB because he's only been offered late 1sts.  With his injury and weight issues, Sully is probably worth even less.  Ainge will trade anyone on this roster, even Smart, if he gets a good enough return for them.   

You just named two young promising players that could have contributed. Add KJ then add all the vets they cut that could have contributed. Everyone knows he was trading to tank. You are in denial if you dont think it was all for the tank. Return wasn't his concern getting DL bad was.

What contributing vets have we cut? Cut means something. Words mean things.

You're an idiot. I'm just going to say it. I've used facts as a cudgel against your cranium yet your head apparently is a rock. Here's a list of assets we've obtained for guys we... cut?

-Miami 2015 (top 10 protected pick)
-Lakers 2015(top 5 protected pick)
-New Orleans #10 Pick, flipped for #12 overall and 2017 76ers pick
-Nerlens Noel
-Jerami Grant
-Isaiah Canaan
-Denver 2nd
-OKC top 18 protected pick
-Orl 2nd
-I can't count the # of 2nd picks coming in. We have 5 this year.

I'm done with this stupidity. You just don't know what you're talking about. I've blasted some of the guys Sixers fans champion in this thread. The reality is though, that the Sixers have gotten a ton for the guys they've gotten rid of.

Why dont check your teams transactions? Better yet go back to the 76ers board that is were you can find plenty of people that might join your homer views. The rest of NBA fans don't need the 76er trolls posting about superstars and championships that may never come to be. Your GM and your team are the ultimate tankers don't try to sell it as any thing different here. Enjoy your DL games.

Please. Refute anything I've said.

Welcome to reality. You want to fit facts to an ill informed opinion, and I'm bringing that ignorance back to reality. Deal with it.

Lol dude what facts? We're are talking about opinions on the net for the players and moves. I say the trades have been too geared to be worse and tank. Your own 76ers fans had issues with some of the trades. You name assets like they are locks. You even forget where MCW was drafted when getting a possible worse pick slot in comparison with a 2016 LAL pick. That may be a loss. Oh and again the scrub players like they are border line all stars. Future picks as if they are guaranteed at the top of the draft. 2nds rounders as if they a big deal. You getting mad cause I'm not putting those trades up as good but straight tank trades. Take a look at where your team is in the standings bro. You are tanking and your players suck that is reality. Embid can be the new Oden. If Noel for his D is a superstar why isn't Smart? Please with your foolish asset talk go back to Libertyballess

You're mental. You're just making things up that have never happened now.

Where did I say Noel was a superstar? Although he's definitely a better player than Marcus Smart because he's a better defender.

You haven't supported your opinion with anything but more of your opinion. You said he got bad returns in the . If you believe that, you are a moron. Jrue Holiday for 3 first round picks? Whenever you have the opportunity to refuse 3 first round picks(two in the top 10) for an average start at the league's deepest position you totally turn it down. That's just what you do.

What scrub player have I called a borderline all star?

What future pick have I said was guaranteed at the top of the draft? MCW was picked at 11. a year and a half ago. In that time his biggest weakness has shown no improvement. You don't hang onto a guy you don't like because of "well he's worth less than the pick we're being offered but technically he was the 11 pick and if an awful team lead by a terrible player that uses 35% of his teams possession might leap to pick 12." What kind of GM would analyze trade value like that?

The fan of a team with a losing record in a terrible conference just dropped "check the standings." Seriously? You realize that for you to win a championship you still need to find the two best players on those teams. It's not impossible and Ainge is a good GM, but the fact that you've stocked a roster full of role players before having the roles of them to play doesn't make you closer to a championship.

Here's the hilarious thing. Hinkie and Ainge are using the exact same strategy. Yet your butt hurt never stops.

Not wanting things to be true doesn't make them false. That's not how life works.

I wouldn't trade Smart straight up for Noel. I think you are over valuing Noel. He's got practically no game on offense and is lost on Defense.

And are you a Sixers fan? Cause....

One thing I learned a while back was how jealous Philly people are. I went to a double header NCAA tourney about 8 years ago. Uconn was playing Kentucky back when Rondo was on the team and Villanova was playing Arizona. They were in different regions but they were both set to play at the Wachovia center in Philly. The Philly crowd actually got more into the Uconn game, which they had no team to root for, because of how much they were jealous of Uconn. The whole game, the crowd was pretty loud booing Uconn. Then the Villanova game, I felt like I was more into rooting for them, since they were a bigeast team, then the actual Philly fans.

Another thing I dislike about Philly people is how they think they own the cheese steak. I've had plenty of steak and cheeses that were just as good at other places.

Lost on defense? Please explain, he's the only player in the NBA who is in the top 10 for blocks and steals. He's great at PnR defense and protects the rim. He's one of the best rookie defenders ever. He's in a completely different league defensively than any other rookie in this class. He's going to be peak Marcus Camby for a decade if he doesn't get hurt.

And what exactly does Smart provide offensively? He's inefficient, can;t get to the rim and a below average 3 pt shooter.

There's a reason Noel is in the convo for ROY and Smart is not.

Marcus Camby? Camby was a very disappointing player.