isiah-the celts have lost enough players in prime

[rollie mass]

isiah isn't right  and brad kept playing him-,the heat are decimated ,we don't need to play isiah

not much discussion about how this injury could effect his game ,from shooting to driving,Some players can play injured and i hope isiah is one .Some players have advantages but is isiah the type that needs to be firing on all cylinders to be effective,bird had so many tools and never relied on speed or jumping,paul pierce--a player that loses his speed and vertical even a fraction the way he plays, also could he overcompensate and injur himself-going to the hoop is going to be like watching a frightening movie everytime he drives i'll be on the edge of my seat-

"i hate being right"jeff goldbloom as t rex bears down on jeep-when isiah hit ground i had a t rex moment. i think an explanation is due was this psycology,loyalty,trainers program or brad did you think you were still going to come back-miami guard from d league -zeller is shooting almost 50%exageration but he sat on bench-and he can shoot foul shots

He was rusty, which was to be expected. However, your title makes it sound as though this is a hobbling Roy Hobbs going up to bat with blood soaking through his uniform. It's not career threatening and nothing happened yesterday by him playing, from a physical standpoint, so it might be best to hold off on the self gratification and "I hate being right" quotes, when you know, nothing happened.

i think you miss the point of the jeff goldbloom quote and the effect this injury had on HIS game-playing isiah that long lost the game and i could never play again after coming back from ankle too early and  i blew out my knee from over compensating-

[rollie mass]

He was rusty,you got to be kidding -can tell you never played,this is a guy 5-9 playing in nba-that survives on speed ,acceleration,quick moves and change of pace along with vertical and hang time and thats offence-that was a train wreck of turnovers ,missed shots -He says his legs were heavy,he also said if he waited for 100% he would be out the season-maybe he should

[rollie mass]

do you remember larry bird and his back,got that building his driveway,isiah takes more knocks than any player ive seen and it will not take much if he over compensates- it could be wrist,shoulder, back even a hanstring-isiah is a treasure,a gem and his abilities should be protected not rushed back-

[Eddie20]

He was rusty,you got to be kidding -can tell you never played,this is a guy 5-9 playing in nba-that survives on speed ,acceleration,quick moves and change of pace along with vertical and hang time and thats offence-that was a train wreck of turnovers ,missed shots -He says his legs were heavy,he also said if he waited for 100% he would be out the season-maybe he should

So you think his missed free throws were a result of injury too? Is the guy 100% physically, no. However, what we saw last night had more to do with rust/timing more than anything. I don't think he even got a practice in. If he plays significantly better next game would you still revisit this thread and maybe not mention Thomas with Bias and Lewis? Is there another player we lost in their prime that you were referring to?

[rollie mass]

larry bird back,pistol pete knees,bill walton knees,keven mchale ankle,--there are many ways for nba players to wind up with shortened or diminished careers---have you got a problem,with concern about isiahs health and effect on team-bird retired early-he ranks number 4 on players that have had careers effected by injury-

[rollie mass]

of course i will re visit  and i  never mentioned bias or lewis and also i queried whether playing was part of program,whether it was loyalty,psycological--i hope you review his fall and the expression of pain against miami-that was a t rex moment- rusty nobody in his right mind would have called that  rusty-answer this did you play ball-can you imagine being 5-9 in nba and playing without the tools that allowed you to score 20pts a game going against 7 foot guys with wingspans  and the best a quickest guards-he was defenseless last night

[Eddie20]

larry bird back,pistol pete knees,bill walton knees,keven mchale ankle,--there are many ways for nba players to wind up with shortened or diminished careers---have you got a problem,with concern about isiahs health and effect on team-bird retired early-he ranks number 4 on players that have had careers effected by injury-

You're grasping at straws. Neither Walton or Maravich were with us in their prime so the point is moot. Bird had a congenital back issue and McHale played on top a broken foot in the 87 playoffs. Thomas, in a nutshell, has a bruise. A deep bone bruise, but a bruise nonetheless. Can you find an example of a player throughout history that had their prime cut short because of a bruise?

[rollie mass]

grasping at straws-i  came back from ankle injury too soon and favored it and was landing with more weight and angle on right knee and it was diagnosed strained ligaments,again came back -well when someone good saw it -bang surgery and they took all the cartilege out-the surgeon said it was worst knee he had seen in 10 yrs, it has about a 12in scar where they just flapped it open and could never play again-as a player i saw alot more than rusty- mchale also developed bone spurs-do you know what pronation is-it doesn't take much to throw off a back,spine ,knees -you think he was rusty,i don't      i'm concerned about future injury from altering his motions and mechanics-your not- how did you re act when he went down against miami last night-i suppose that was rusty-

[Eddie20]

grasping at straws-i  came back from ankle injury too soon and favored it and was landing with more weight and angle on right knee and it was diagnosed strained ligaments,again came back -well when someone good saw it -bang surgery and they took all the cartilege out-the surgeon said it was worst knee he had seen in 10 yrs, it has about a 12in scar where they just flapped it open and could never play again-as a player i saw alot more than rusty- mchale also developed bone spurs-do you know what pronation is-it doesn't take much to throw off a back,spine ,knees -you think he was rusty,i don't      i'm concerned about future injury from altering his motions and mechanics-your not- how did you re act when he went down against miami last night-i suppose that was rusty-

I'll go out on a limb and say Thomas needs to get cleared my medical staff and athletic trainers prior to playing. It's not as though he just goes rogue and decides whether to play of not .

[rollie mass]

KO came back really clumsy,falling everywhere tripping,losing balance-now if he landed in one of these clumsy falls and broke his wrist-what caused it-kelly isn't right yet,smart took forever-what if isiah tries to go to hoop without his ability to right himself  or not as much elevation and hang time and gets clobbered-again i ask did you play ball-20 min in first game after not walking for like 10 days,not sleeping-ever crack a rib,ever have a bad back-ever try and fight across top of screen,ever try to bend lower on your dribble like yesterday and could,t and got stripped--you don't get it he needs everthing or at 5-9 he gets killed-both on offense and defense--a couple years ago i fractured and dislocated my shoulder the damage to muscles and ligiments was so great it shutdown for 3 months a cliniclly frozen shoulder, as much as i tried it didn't respond at all-

[rollie mass]

isiah isn't right  and brad kept playing him-,the heat are decimated ,we don't need to play isiah

not much discussion about how this injury could effect his game ,from shooting to driving,Some players can play injured and i hope isiah is one .Some players have advantages but is isiah the type that needs to be firing on all cylinders to be effective,bird had so many tools and never relied on speed or jumping,paul pierce--a player that loses his speed and vertical even a fraction the way he plays, also could he overcompensate and injur himself-going to the hoop is going to be like watching a frightening movie everytime he drives i'll be on the edge of my seat-

"i hate being right"jeff goldbloom as t rex bears down on jeep-when isiah hit ground i had a t rex moment. i think an explanation is due was this psycology,loyalty,trainers program or brad did you think you were still going to come back-    did you read the part about psycology,loyalty,or trainers program

[Eddie20]

KO came back really clumsy,falling everywhere tripping,losing balance-now if he landed in one of these clumsy falls and broke his wrist-what caused it-kelly isn't right yet,smart took forever-what if isiah tries to go to hoop without his ability to right himself  or not as much elevation and hang time and gets clobbered-again i ask did you play ball-20 min in first game after not walking for like 10 days,not sleeping-ever crack a rib,ever have a bad back-ever try and fight across top of screen,ever try to bend lower on your dribble like yesterday and could,t and got stripped--you don't get it he needs everthing or at 5-9 he gets killed-both on offense and defense--a couple years ago i fractured and dislocated my shoulder the damage to muscles and ligiments was so great it shutdown for 3 months a cliniclly frozen shoulder, as much as i tried it didn't respond at all-

Yeah, I played ball. Unfortunately, I had to retire in my prime due to coming back too early from a jammed finger.

[Celtics4ever]

These guys have better care than we do and therapy and trainers.  While it still takes time, there is a big difference if you can hydrotherapy a lot of this stuff and get the blood flowing.   You can bet they have tens units, massage and all kinds of good stuff that most folks never get.

I think KO is fully back, he is what he is and not athletic and dependent on confidence and getting going early in a game to have a good one.

When your trying to get lower on your dribble Rollie, squat deeper and sit into the dribble and drop the dribbling hand shoulder a bit.   Bending over is a not a position that is conducive for movement in sports, it often throws you off balance.  It is ok for picking up stuff but if you try moves with that your asking to be off balance.   Bent knees is the key.  It is ok to lean forward a little bit but not much unless your leaning into your run.   I see guys miss shots all the time because they are not balanced and bent over, their shot base is messed up.

I have never had my ribs cracked playing although the first day at college I came close.   I showed off and in a game to ten I have five dunks with the upper class men players, I killed them.   One of the guys elbowed me so hard that the mesh of my practice jersey was into my skin.   It hurt and they were trying to send a message but I knew I got in their heads too.  No comment about breaking other peoples ribs.  LOL

[rollie mass]

seems jeff clark agrees with me -on rushing isiah back and compensating might cause other injuries-

[D.o.s.]

Medical science generally agrees with you, insofar as body compensation causing other injuries are concerned. Anyone who's even remotely athletic and has suffered some kind of injury can anecdotally reinforce that.

C4E is right, though, and the medical treatment the average NBA player gets (although the Suns still seem to be on another level) is far above what the plebs can avail themselves of, even if they played some higher-than-normal level of hoops, professionally or not.