Sully.....

[Rosco917]

I actually felt for him. He's right some people can just eat and eat and not gain significant weight.
During the season I knew the claim of 260 for him was a dream, I guessed 290, and was pretty close.

I was always a heavy kid too, everyone used to call me names and it hurt, that's what drove me. At the same time i was always an exceptionally strong kid too. i then discovered weight training, proper eating habits, and a real dedication to getting in shape. You can change your body, and I did. (Getting serious about the ladies didn't hurt either.) but I never could get under the light heavyweight limit (175), my body was simply not designed to be a middleweight .

What I learned is that weight can be deceiving, some people just have bigger bones, more and heavier muscle mass.

I don't expect Sully to come to camp looking like Bass. He simply has too much mass in his butt. That mass  is his power, that's why he gets great rebounding position on a basketball court. 
I would be happy if he did come in at a real 260, toned, and tighter and easier moving.
Keeping him there will be the trick, that takes character.

[Granath]

Sully: "People say, 'Hire a nutritionist,' but it's not that simple. What people don't understand is after a game, you get hungry. I stay up late, I'm not falling asleep and I want to eat. The hardest calories to burn off are those late-night calories."
(double facepalm) Is that for real? This is the kind of excuses you hear from middle age housewives not professional athletes...

He is the type of guy that will get in shape for his contract season, have a good season and everything will go back to normal, after he gets paid.  Hoping DA doesn't take the bait....

Yup. That's exactly how he was at the draft. 265 lbs an all downhill from there. Just say no.

That's fine. You don't like anyone anyway.

Per the article, Sully is working hard and is already "out of his walking boot and looks visibly slimmer." It sounds like the guy is working hard. And who cares if it's just for a contract year? Either he becomes are more valuable asset or Danny signs him long term with weight clauses in his contract (as per the article). And the last line of is the most telling - "I have to do this for myself." is exactly the correct attitude.

No, I just know better. Sullinger had weight issues in college. Showed to the combine in the best shape of his life. Got drafted by the Celtics and signed a guaranteed contract. Had weight issues again... and is coming towards the end of his guaranteed contract. Notice a pattern there?

He may show up looking like a bodybuilder next season, and I still won't believe he will remain in that shape for the duration of his next contract.

And Danny said any such contract would have a weight clause. So where's the problem? Did you even read the article?

[clover]

Sully: "People say, 'Hire a nutritionist,' but it's not that simple. What people don't understand is after a game, you get hungry. I stay up late, I'm not falling asleep and I want to eat. The hardest calories to burn off are those late-night calories."
(double facepalm) Is that for real? This is the kind of excuses you hear from middle age housewives not professional athletes...

He is the type of guy that will get in shape for his contract season, have a good season and everything will go back to normal, after he gets paid.  Hoping DA doesn't take the bait....

Yup. That's exactly how he was at the draft. 265 lbs an all downhill from there. Just say no.

That's fine. You don't like anyone anyway.

Per the article, Sully is working hard and is already "out of his walking boot and looks visibly slimmer." It sounds like the guy is working hard. And who cares if it's just for a contract year? Either he becomes are more valuable asset or Danny signs him long term with weight clauses in his contract (as per the article). And the last line of is the most telling - "I have to do this for myself." is exactly the correct attitude.

No, I just know better. Sullinger had weight issues in college. Showed to the combine in the best shape of his life. Got drafted by the Celtics and signed a guaranteed contract. Had weight issues again... and is coming towards the end of his guaranteed contract. Notice a pattern there?

He may show up looking like a bodybuilder next season, and I still won't believe he will remain in that shape for the duration of his next contract.

And Danny said any such contract would have a weight clause. So where's the problem? Did you even read the article?

Yeah, and Jeff Green's contract had a rebound clause. Lot of good that did!

[Neurotic Guy]

Sully: "People say, 'Hire a nutritionist,' but it's not that simple. What people don't understand is after a game, you get hungry. I stay up late, I'm not falling asleep and I want to eat. The hardest calories to burn off are those late-night calories."
(double facepalm) Is that for real? This is the kind of excuses you hear from middle age housewives not professional athletes...

He is the type of guy that will get in shape for his contract season, have a good season and everything will go back to normal, after he gets paid.  Hoping DA doesn't take the bait....

Yup. That's exactly how he was at the draft. 265 lbs an all downhill from there. Just say no.

That's fine. You don't like anyone anyway.

Per the article, Sully is working hard and is already "out of his walking boot and looks visibly slimmer." It sounds like the guy is working hard. And who cares if it's just for a contract year? Either he becomes are more valuable asset or Danny signs him long term with weight clauses in his contract (as per the article). And the last line of is the most telling - "I have to do this for myself." is exactly the correct attitude.

No, I just know better. Sullinger had weight issues in college. Showed to the combine in the best shape of his life. Got drafted by the Celtics and signed a guaranteed contract. Had weight issues again... and is coming towards the end of his guaranteed contract. Notice a pattern there?

He may show up looking like a bodybuilder next season, and I still won't believe he will remain in that shape for the duration of his next contract.

And Danny said any such contract would have a weight clause. So where's the problem? Did you even read the article?

Kozlodev is correct to skeptical as the evidence to date weighs (sorry) in his favor.  The variable, however, is maturity.  Just last week, Sully turned 23.  Hard to know how he'll evolve as a person. 

[Rondo9]

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[byennie]

If you actually have to invoke the weight clause, that's still a problem for the team. It would be ugly.

[Rondo9]

If you actually have to invoke the weight clause, that's still a problem for the team. It would be ugly.

Why?

[Rondo9]

Sully: "People say, 'Hire a nutritionist,' but it's not that simple. What people don't understand is after a game, you get hungry. I stay up late, I'm not falling asleep and I want to eat. The hardest calories to burn off are those late-night calories."
(double facepalm) Is that for real? This is the kind of excuses you hear from middle age housewives not professional athletes...

He is the type of guy that will get in shape for his contract season, have a good season and everything will go back to normal, after he gets paid.  Hoping DA doesn't take the bait....

Yup. That's exactly how he was at the draft. 265 lbs an all downhill from there. Just say no.

That's fine. You don't like anyone anyway.

Per the article, Sully is working hard and is already "out of his walking boot and looks visibly slimmer." It sounds like the guy is working hard. And who cares if it's just for a contract year? Either he becomes are more valuable asset or Danny signs him long term with weight clauses in his contract (as per the article). And the last line of is the most telling - "I have to do this for myself." is exactly the correct attitude.

No, I just know better. Sullinger had weight issues in college. Showed to the combine in the best shape of his life. Got drafted by the Celtics and signed a guaranteed contract. Had weight issues again... and is coming towards the end of his guaranteed contract. Notice a pattern there?

He may show up looking like a bodybuilder next season, and I still won't believe he will remain in that shape for the duration of his next contract.

And Danny said any such contract would have a weight clause. So where's the problem? Did you even read the article?

Kozlodev is correct to skeptical as the evidence to date weighs (sorry) in his favor.  The variable, however, is maturity.  Just last week, Sully turned 23.  Hard to know how he'll evolve as a person.

I think it was the back surgery that derailed Sullinger.

[RJ87]

Yeah.... this article gives me no hope. He blames genetics (even though he contradicts that by saying his dad recently lost 75 pounds), and he makes other excuses. He can't even fully admit he cracked 300 hundred.

Seriously, he can hire a personal chef full-time to prepare healthy meals to his liking. He can hire his own certified strength and conditioning special if he's not happy with the celtics staff. This sounds like an unwillingness to wholeheartedly commit to changing one's lifestyle.

I hope for his sake, he wakes up soon. Or he'll end up like Michael Sweetney.

[clover]

Sully: "People say, 'Hire a nutritionist,' but it's not that simple. What people don't understand is after a game, you get hungry. I stay up late, I'm not falling asleep and I want to eat. The hardest calories to burn off are those late-night calories."
(double facepalm) Is that for real? This is the kind of excuses you hear from middle age housewives not professional athletes...

He is the type of guy that will get in shape for his contract season, have a good season and everything will go back to normal, after he gets paid.  Hoping DA doesn't take the bait....

Yup. That's exactly how he was at the draft. 265 lbs an all downhill from there. Just say no.

That's fine. You don't like anyone anyway.

Per the article, Sully is working hard and is already "out of his walking boot and looks visibly slimmer." It sounds like the guy is working hard. And who cares if it's just for a contract year? Either he becomes are more valuable asset or Danny signs him long term with weight clauses in his contract (as per the article). And the last line of is the most telling - "I have to do this for myself." is exactly the correct attitude.

No, I just know better. Sullinger had weight issues in college. Showed to the combine in the best shape of his life. Got drafted by the Celtics and signed a guaranteed contract. Had weight issues again... and is coming towards the end of his guaranteed contract. Notice a pattern there?

He may show up looking like a bodybuilder next season, and I still won't believe he will remain in that shape for the duration of his next contract.

And Danny said any such contract would have a weight clause. So where's the problem? Did you even read the article?

Kozlodev is correct to skeptical as the evidence to date weighs (sorry) in his favor.  The variable, however, is maturity.  Just last week, Sully turned 23.  Hard to know how he'll evolve as a person.

I think it was the back surgery that derailed Sullinger.

Wasn't that two years ago?

[JSD]

losing weight is as simple as calories in verses calories out... What's the problem here? Sully thinks a cup of fruit is acceptable? I'm losing faith in the Celtics staff... Give me an hour lesson with the kid and I'll have his 6-pack popping in 3-months.

[Ed Hollison]

A lot of people on this discussion seem to be talking in kind of moralistic terms, as if the solution is as simple as Sullinger having the integrity and maturity to get his diet in order. I read McMullin's article totally differently. Sullinger's while family it seems struggles with obesity. It may or may not be genetic, but this matters, kind of like someone coming from a family of alcoholics. We can sometimes talk about alcoholism in moral terms -- "Get yourself straightened out" -- but it's also accurate to talk about it as a disease. Well, like it or not Sullinger comes from a family of people who are aficted with this disease. You can't snap your fingers and solve it. It sounds easy to us because we aren't afflicted with it, but for many people managing obesity and overeating is a very difficult undertaking that others simply don't understand, just as we wouldn't understand alcoholism or drug addiction if we'd never experienced it.

So, yes of course he's gotta better manage this problem for the sake of the team and his own career. I'm just not comfortable with some of the moral judgments being flinged around.

[Roy H.]

losing weight is as simple as calories in verses calories out... What's the problem here? Sully thinks a cup of fruit is acceptable? I'm losing faith in the Celtics staff... Give me an hour lesson with the kid and I'll have his 6-pack popping in 3-months.

People say, 'Hire a nutritionist,' but it's not that simple. What people don't understand is after a game, you get hungry. I stay up late, I'm not falling asleep and I want to eat. The hardest calories to burn off are those late-night calories

I think it might be hard getting through to him. 

[jpotter33]

A lot of people on this discussion seem to be talking in kind of moralistic terms, as if the solution is as simple as Sullinger having the integrity and maturity to get his diet in order. I read McMullin's article totally differently. Sullinger's while family it seems struggles with obesity. It may or may not be genetic, but this matters, kind of like someone coming from a family of alcoholics. We can sometimes talk about alcoholism in moral terms -- "Get yourself straightened out" -- but it's also accurate to talk about it as a disease. Well, like it or not Sullinger comes from a family of people who are aficted with this disease. You can't snap your fingers and solve it. It sounds easy to us because we aren't afflicted with it, but for many people managing obesity and overeating is a very difficult undertaking that others simply don't understand, just as we wouldn't understand alcoholism or drug addiction if we'd never experienced it.

So, yes of course he's gotta better manage this problem for the sake of the team and his own career. I'm just not comfortable with some of the moral judgments being flinged around.

Hogwash.

Sully doesn't have any "disease" that would prevent him from losing weight, i.e. thyroid issues or metabolic disorders. He's just lazy and not ready to accept that he has to lose weight for his profession. There's absolutely no evidence to suggest he has any real biological or genetic issue or ailment losing weight. And I find it a load of crap that people are evading personal responsibility and wanting to blame a "disease" for their habits of overeating and laziness. Just listen to his tone in the article. He still blames someone else for his own faults (faults that he admitted himself in the article by the way). Nobody is asking him to do something his body can't realistically do, like get down below 200 lbs. Rather, he's being asked to get into shape, which is a prerequisite and integral part of his job description.

So, yes, this is a moralistic issue because Sully's not taking responsibility for his own body, and he's not fulfilling the professional ethic of a professional basketball player. Any attempt to go beyond that and label his laziness a disease is just allowing him to evade personal responsibility and another example of our society's tendency to "medicalize" character flaws and value issues.

I've beat obesity and being overweight under similar circumstances as Sully. I'm sure the man-child millionaire with virtually everything at his disposal can too if he gets his head out of his arse.

[Rondo9]

losing weight is as simple as calories in verses calories out... What's the problem here? Sully thinks a cup of fruit is acceptable? I'm losing faith in the Celtics staff... Give me an hour lesson with the kid and I'll have his 6-pack popping in 3-months.

People say, 'Hire a nutritionist,' but it's not that simple. What people don't understand is after a game, you get hungry. I stay up late, I'm not falling asleep and I want to eat. The hardest calories to burn off are those late-night calories

I think it might be hard getting through to him.

I'm pretty sure he can eat the right kinds of foods if he's still hungry at night.