Between Doc (Clippers) & Brad (Boston), who will win a championship first?

[Eja117]

The lack of respect that a former Celtic championship winning coach gets on this, the best Celtics fan site on the internet is truly disturbing.

How many coaches in history have the best single win loss turnaround in NBA history?
How many other coaches have out coaches Phil Jackson to win a title?
How many other coaches have taken a collection of player thrown together in one off season and got them to gel instantly and win a championship in their first year with that group?
How many coaches can brag they may have coached the greatest NBA defense of all time?

That's what Doc Rivers has done. Don't like the guy? Fine. Don't agree with some of the ways he coaches? Fine. But show a little respect. He coached this team to a title and a chance at another and did a hell of a job doing it.

How many coaches sign a very big very long contract and then turn around and quit and scold people for calling it what it is?
How many coaches were given 3 Hall of Famers, and a bunch of excellent players to coach with? I don't understand why people act like he pulled off some miracle.
How many coaches get CP3, Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, Glen Davis, JJ Redick, Jamal Crawford, and Jared Dudley and turn it into a thoroughly mediocre team in the west?

The guy isn't just a bad coach. He's also a phony

[Eja117]

I'm curious -- what standard is Doc, the championship winning coach, not meeting that Brad Stevens is?

Brad doesn't overplay his starters until they break down.

Brad doesn't "go small" in the fourth quarter of every game.

Brad doesn't let a diva point guard stop playing defense for two years.

Brad doesn't say "we didn't trust each other" after every loss.

Brad is a better coach than Doc Rivers.

Some of this post has merit.

The conclusion is not one of them.

[Eja117]

The lack of respect that a former Celtic championship winning coach gets on this, the best Celtics fan site on the internet is truly disturbing.

How many coaches in history have the best single win loss turnaround in NBA history?
How many other coaches have out coaches Phil Jackson to win a title?
How many other coaches have taken a collection of player thrown together in one off season and got them to gel instantly and win a championship in their first year with that group?
How many coaches can brag they may have coached the greatest NBA defense of all time?

That's what Doc Rivers has done. Don't like the guy? Fine. Don't agree with some of the ways he coaches? Fine. But show a little respect. He coached this team to a title and a chance at another and did a hell of a job doing it.

How many coaches have done all of that? I know one at least.

Coach Thibodeau !!!

Don't give too much props to coaches that are not their own technical experts.

Yes. Thibs rules!

And Clifford Ray

[Eja117]

I'm curious -- what standard is Doc, the championship winning coach, not meeting that Brad Stevens is?

He doesn't tell them that when they are practicing offense they are practicing defense, which is what many great defensive coaches do.

He doesn't tell Stephon Marbury "Be yourself!" (I think we had thoroughly identified at that point Starbury being himself was the problem).

He didn't let Sheed collect a check and jack up threes for an entire season and then hope he would light it up in game 7 for an injured Perk when it was clearly too little too late.

He didn't let Ray Allen pout and cry for half a season (Rondo wasn't the only one that didn't feel like defending).

Brad has never been involved with lying for about a season about an injury.

Brad's players play hard just about all the time, which is something Doc couldn't possibly understand.

[SHAQATTACK]

The lack of respect that a former Celtic championship winning coach gets on this, the best Celtics fan site on the internet is truly disturbing.

How many coaches in history have the best single win loss turnaround in NBA history?
How many other coaches have out coaches Phil Jackson to win a title?
How many other coaches have taken a collection of player thrown together in one off season and got them to gel instantly and win a championship in their first year with that group?
How many coaches can brag they may have coached the greatest NBA defense of all time?

That's what Doc Rivers has done. Don't like the guy? Fine. Don't agree with some of the ways he coaches? Fine. But show a little respect. He coached this team to a title and a chance at another and did a hell of a job doing it.

How many coaches sign a very big very long contract and then turn around and quit and scold people for calling it what it is?
How many coaches were given 3 Hall of Famers, and a bunch of excellent players to coach with? I don't understand why people act like he pulled off some miracle.
How many coaches get CP3, Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, Glen Davis, JJ Redick, Jamal Crawford, and Jared Dudley and turn it into a thoroughly mediocre team in the west?

The guy isn't just a bad coach. He's also a phony

TP.....good job ...calling it like it is.

[GreenFaith1819]

The lack of respect that a former Celtic championship winning coach gets on this, the best Celtics fan site on the internet is truly disturbing.

How many coaches in history have the best single win loss turnaround in NBA history?
How many other coaches have out coaches Phil Jackson to win a title?
How many other coaches have taken a collection of player thrown together in one off season and got them to gel instantly and win a championship in their first year with that group?
How many coaches can brag they may have coached the greatest NBA defense of all time?

That's what Doc Rivers has done. Don't like the guy? Fine. Don't agree with some of the ways he coaches? Fine. But show a little respect. He coached this team to a title and a chance at another and did a hell of a job doing it.

How many coaches sign a very big very long contract and then turn around and quit and scold people for calling it what it is?
How many coaches were given 3 Hall of Famers, and a bunch of excellent players to coach with? I don't understand why people act like he pulled off some miracle.
How many coaches get CP3, Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, Glen Davis, JJ Redick, Jamal Crawford, and Jared Dudley and turn it into a thoroughly mediocre team in the west?

The guy isn't just a bad coach. He's also a phony

TP.....good job ...calling it like it is.

NickAgneta is right - fully agreed.

Glenn "Doc: Rivers deserves more respect on here than what I've seen lately.

We've went on a hot streak as a team lately and are seriously entertaining playoff hopes and now all of a sudden Coach Brad Stevens is a young Greg Popovich and Doc Rivers is a hot mess .

Just not right.

I love the work CBS has done here and have supported him from day 1, but let's not get History twisted here, LOL.

Coach Glenn "Doc" Rivers is a future HOF coach, and fully qualified AND certified. He's earned his stripes. He was heavily rumored to coach our Olympic team a few years ago (Woj article I believe). He's won a Banner in BOS, and would've won another if it wasn't for THIS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVu41PubfZ4

That Utah game in 2009 changed BOS's fortunes right there. Our team was hot and was on course to repeat until this game happened.

KG wasn't right until 2 years later, and by then he was on his last legs in BOS.

Glenn "Doc" Rivers deserves more respect on here.

[Snakehead]

Yes another Doc Rivers bashing thread.

[Eja117]

If you gave Stevens Doc's squads I have no doubt whatsoever he would have done as well or better.

Is that the theory? That Stevens would have messed it all up with KG and the gang? And that if Doc had this current squad he'd have them knocking on the door of the playoffs?

If that's what people believe please just say it instead of posting resumes.

[GreenFaith1819]

If you gave Stevens Doc's squads I have no doubt whatsoever he would have done as well or better.

Is that the theory? That Stevens would have messed it all up with KG and the gang? And that if Doc had this current squad he'd have them knocking on the door of the playoffs?

If that's what people believe please just say it instead of posting resumes.

Eja117 - I love your posts on here...you are intelligent and thoughtful, as many others are on the Blog.

But Coach Glenn "Doc" Rivers and Coach Brad Stevens does NOT deserve to be in the same sentence, yet.

Let's give CBS a young Grant Hill AND TMac, see those two suffer through injuries, AND see his future HOF big man (KG) get injured and let's see what CBS will do.

For all the work CBS has done with this team so far (and I love it), he is NOT Glenn Rivers. It is not right to compare the two.

[GetLucky]

I answered the OP with "Stevens with the Celtics" for a few reasons, mainly because I don't think the Clippers can make it out of the West. As currently constructed, I just don't think they can win 3 series against the Spurs, Grizzlies, Warriors, etc., and I don't think they have the flexibility to make significant improvements. This has nothing to do with my opinion of Rivers the coach and everything to do with my opinion of Rivers the GM.

As presently constructed, the Clippers seem to be a "tier two" team. They're always likely to make the playoffs and challenge for a top-4 seed, but I just can't see them making it to the FInals. They have yet to go on an unprecedented run that separates them from everyone else (a la San Antonio), and none of their players have shown an ability to completely carry the team in the clutch. (Yes, I do believe in the clutch gene. Chris Paul has shown flashes of it, but he can't physically carry the team like a LeBron can.) They all have weaknesses (like DeAndre Jordan's free throws) and are overpaying role players that don't make up for the weakness well enough. So they aren't in a great position to push for a title now, and Doc's best moves so far have been adding Spencer Hawes, trading for JJ Reddick, and trading for his son.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

The lack of respect that a former Celtic championship winning coach gets on this, the best Celtics fan site on the internet is truly disturbing.

How many coaches in history have the best single win loss turnaround in NBA history?
How many other coaches have out coaches Phil Jackson to win a title?
How many other coaches have taken a collection of player thrown together in one off season and got them to gel instantly and win a championship in their first year with that group?
How many coaches can brag they may have coached the greatest NBA defense of all time?

That's what Doc Rivers has done. Don't like the guy? Fine. Don't agree with some of the ways he coaches? Fine. But show a little respect. He coached this team to a title and a chance at another and did a hell of a job doing it.

your boy doc blew the 2010 series with his usual buffoonery that we have discussed here ad infinitum. Even with perkins out everybody here remembers what the scoreboard read in the 4th quarter of game 7. He blew it. The perkins excuse does not fly. Doc still had plenty of talent to get it done.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

The lack of respect that a former Celtic championship winning coach gets on this, the best Celtics fan site on the internet is truly disturbing.

How many coaches in history have the best single win loss turnaround in NBA history?
How many other coaches have out coaches Phil Jackson to win a title?
How many other coaches have taken a collection of player thrown together in one off season and got them to gel instantly and win a championship in their first year with that group?
How many coaches can brag they may have coached the greatest NBA defense of all time?

That's what Doc Rivers has done. Don't like the guy? Fine. Don't agree with some of the ways he coaches? Fine. But show a little respect. He coached this team to a title and a chance at another and did a hell of a job doing it.

How many coaches sign a very big very long contract and then turn around and quit and scold people for calling it what it is?
How many coaches were given 3 Hall of Famers, and a bunch of excellent players to coach with? I don't understand why people act like he pulled off some miracle.
How many coaches get CP3, Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, Glen Davis, JJ Redick, Jamal Crawford, and Jared Dudley and turn it into a thoroughly mediocre team in the west?

The guy isn't just a bad coach. He's also a phony

doc is a laughing stock. a fake.

[JHTruth]

Well the original question was supposedly who is better set up for a championship inn the near future and it's clearly doc as he has already won and has superstar talent..

[JHTruth]

I'm curious -- what standard is Doc, the championship winning coach, not meeting that Brad Stevens is?

Paul Westhead and Bill Fitch are also championship winning coaches.  And Doc has managed to win how many more games than Vinny Del Negro did in LA?

As far as winning a title, I'd go with Stevens, largely because he's got a much better GM. 

Mike

Both were great coaches. Fitch coached two different franchises to the Finals. How many coaches can say they coached even one?

[Eja117]

I suppose when you put it that way maybe if Doc waits for Duncan and people like that to retire Doc will start winning again. Maybe. Although I'm not sure Doc's team will even be the best in his own city in a couple years.