Between Doc (Clippers) & Brad (Boston), who will win a championship first?

[indeedproceed]

I'm curious -- what standard is Doc, the championship winning coach, not meeting that Brad Stevens is?

Brad doesn't overplay his starters until they break down.

Brad doesn't "go small" in the fourth quarter of every game.

Brad doesn't let a diva point guard stop playing defense for two years.

Brad doesn't say "we didn't trust each other" after every loss.

Brad is a better coach than Doc Rivers.

Some of this post has merit.

The conclusion is not one of them.

I would love to take a look into the trousers of time leg that has Brad Stevens coaching Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, and weathering the hellish uncertainty that was Donald Sterling's reign during his death knell.

Not because I don't think Brad Stevens could do it, I would just like to see it. Brad Stevens and Danny Ainge had Rondo saying all the right things. And I guess playing terrible basketball was also 'doing the right thing', but Rondo for all his talk, kind of walked away from those comments later.

So I guess what I'm saying is...Brad Stevens: Great at coaching guys with nothing to lose, how would he be with superstar talent prima donnas with everything to lose who kind of hate each other?

Honestly, I think Brad Stevens would vomit in his mouth a little at this point in his career.

[TitleMaster]

Radmanovich was one of the best three point shooters in the league. And we never "close" to losing that series. And Vegas had Lakers winning going in..

Radmanovich vs Paul Pierce, pleaz, give me a break.

Go back and watch that 2008 NBA Finals series. That Laker team was garbage. Pure unadulterated GARBAGE. They started a player named Radmanovich? The fact that the series was in doubt at one point is evidence of Doc's ineptitude as a coach. The fact that we beat the Lakers by over 30 points in a close out game is proof positive that Laker team was garbage.

Doc was on the verge of losing that series if he had not been forced by injuries and foul trouble to actually play some of the talent on his team. Just a woeful coach that depends on star players. That is why he hightailed it out of town when he perceived the talent in Boston was gone.

Unlike the press, I was never moved by the 2008 Lakers, since it was a Kobe ball type of team.

And yes, that series should have been 4-1. The Celtics had far more depth at every position, over the Lakers.

If Stevens were there, back in '08 (with 5 years of NBA coaching on his resume), that hole in game 4 would never have happened. At most, the Laker would win one highly contested game in that series and that's it.

[D Dub]

The lack of respect that a former Celtic championship winning coach gets on this, the best Celtics fan site on the internet is truly disturbing.

How many coaches in history have the best single win loss turnaround in NBA history?
How many other coaches have out coaches Phil Jackson to win a title?
How many other coaches have taken a collection of player thrown together in one off season and got them to gel instantly and win a championship in their first year with that group?
How many coaches can brag they may have coached the greatest NBA defense of all time?

That's what Doc Rivers has done. Don't like the guy? Fine. Don't agree with some of the ways he coaches? Fine. But show a little respect. He coached this team to a title and a chance at another and did a hell of a job doing it.

TP earned by one of the most respected posters on the CB.

[TitleMaster]

The lack of respect that a former Celtic championship winning coach gets on this, the best Celtics fan site on the internet is truly disturbing.

How many coaches in history have the best single win loss turnaround in NBA history?
How many other coaches have out coaches Phil Jackson to win a title?
How many other coaches have taken a collection of player thrown together in one off season and got them to gel instantly and win a championship in their first year with that group?
How many coaches can brag they may have coached the greatest NBA defense of all time?

That's what Doc Rivers has done. Don't like the guy? Fine. Don't agree with some of the ways he coaches? Fine. But show a little respect. He coached this team to a title and a chance at another and did a hell of a job doing it.

TP earned by one of the most respected posters on the CB.

As a contrarian, I'm going to say that the fact that coach Jackson, helped an inferior *Kobe Ball* 2008 squad to a 6 game series against a deep Celtics team, tells me that Jackson is better than Doc Rivers.

In fact, aside from the refs, the fact that the 2010 Lakers won, was also a result of Jackson being a superior coach.

The reason why we'd won in 2008 is basically this ... no one else in the NBA, had Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett on their team. Ok, it's that simple. Those two players alone, w/o injuries, are Pippen & Jordan, all over again. Then, add in the ensemble squad of the two Allens, Posey, Powe, House, Rondo, Perkins, Cassell, Brown & Scals, you have an unbeatable team.

[Ogaju]

The lack of respect that a former Celtic championship winning coach gets on this, the best Celtics fan site on the internet is truly disturbing.

How many coaches in history have the best single win loss turnaround in NBA history?
How many other coaches have out coaches Phil Jackson to win a title?
How many other coaches have taken a collection of player thrown together in one off season and got them to gel instantly and win a championship in their first year with that group?
How many coaches can brag they may have coached the greatest NBA defense of all time?

That's what Doc Rivers has done. Don't like the guy? Fine. Don't agree with some of the ways he coaches? Fine. But show a little respect. He coached this team to a title and a chance at another and did a hell of a job doing it.

How many coaches have done all of that? I know one at least.

Coach Thibodeau !!!

Don't give too much props to coaches that are not their own technical experts.

[TitleMaster]

The lack of respect that a former Celtic championship winning coach gets on this, the best Celtics fan site on the internet is truly disturbing.

How many coaches in history have the best single win loss turnaround in NBA history?
How many other coaches have out coaches Phil Jackson to win a title?
How many other coaches have taken a collection of player thrown together in one off season and got them to gel instantly and win a championship in their first year with that group?
How many coaches can brag they may have coached the greatest NBA defense of all time?

That's what Doc Rivers has done. Don't like the guy? Fine. Don't agree with some of the ways he coaches? Fine. But show a little respect. He coached this team to a title and a chance at another and did a hell of a job doing it.

How many coaches have done all of that? I know one at least.

Coach Thibodeau !!!

Don't give too much props to coaches that are not their own technical experts.

Yes. Thibs rules!

[Greyman]

Not really saying that one coach is better than the other, I picked Stevens because I am very optimistic that with the team playing so well now, DA will be able to get the targets he wants. With 2 or 3 more key players, this squad could be deep, especially with a decent draft pick up.

Doc is up against it with the Clippers, I don't think they can afford to get much better but they need to be.

[D.o.s.]

Radmanovich was one of the best three point shooters in the league. And we never "close" to losing that series. And Vegas had Lakers winning going in..

Radmanovich vs Paul Pierce, pleaz, give me a break.

Go back and watch that 2008 NBA Finals series. That Laker team was garbage. Pure unadulterated GARBAGE. They started a player named Radmanovich? The fact that the series was in doubt at one point is evidence of Doc's ineptitude as a coach. The fact that we beat the Lakers by over 30 points in a close out game is proof positive that Laker team was garbage.

Doc was on the verge of losing that series if he had not been forced by injuries and foul trouble to actually play some of the talent on his team. Just a woeful coach that depends on star players. That is why he hightailed it out of town when he perceived the talent in Boston was gone.

Unlike the press, I was never moved by the 2008 Lakers, since it was a Kobe ball type of team.

And yes, that series should have been 4-1. The Celtics had far more depth at every position, over the Lakers.

If Stevens were there, back in '08 (with 5 years of NBA coaching on his resume), that hole in game 4 would never have happened. At most, the Laker would win one highly contested game in that series and that's it.

But that's not true, and it's not even a legitimate hypothetical because Stevens doesn't have five years of NBA experience. He could just as easily be out of the league in five years, particularly if he keeps leading teams to sub-.500 records.

Thibs concocted a great defense, and a great way of playing defense, that was instrumental to the Celtics' postseason run. He was not the only reason for their success. Not even close.

[loco_91]

Doc, with his championship pedigree and reputation as a player's coach, was brought in by the Clippers to guide the team to the heights of NBA glory. The Clippers are built to win NOW. Superstars Chris Paul and Blake Griffin (plus DeAndre Jordan) still have to reach their peaks as players so they are indeed in a position to contend for several years. The team also has a really good cast of supporting players but are playing in a stacked Western Conference with many legitimate contenders.

Brad, with a great basketball mind but minimal NBA experience, is at the helm of a rebuilding Boston Celtics team with young but good to borderline-star players.  But the team is still lacking one or two legitimate superstars who can be relied on to deliver the goods on a regular basis. However, the Celtics have positioned themselves both financially and asset/draft-wise within the next 2-3 years to be able to bring in more talent. Brad's NBA learning curve has taken a steep climb. And the Celtics are playing in a "weaker" Eastern Conference, giving them a better chance to make it out on top of the Conference in the near future.

Clippers are already near- championship caliber. When you have CP3 and Blake Griffin, you have a shot of winning it every year, even if they'll need another piece to become favorites to win it.

[Chris22]

Doc Rivers is the Bobby Cox of NBA coaches.

Tons of talent, only one championship.

[MBunge]

I'm curious -- what standard is Doc, the championship winning coach, not meeting that Brad Stevens is?

Paul Westhead and Bill Fitch are also championship winning coaches.  And Doc has managed to win how many more games than Vinny Del Negro did in LA?

As far as winning a title, I'd go with Stevens, largely because he's got a much better GM. 

Mike

[Hemingway]

Stevens because he has a long contract and seems to be in lock step with Ainge (as Doc was until the end.) Doc probably only has a few years with this Clippers team. Too much talent in the west. If Doc wins another title its not 100% it is with the Clips.

[Hemingway]

Also, Indeedproceed has completely copied my avatar.

[indeedproceed]

Also, Indeedproceed has completely copied my avatar.

You play me false, sir. I am wounded!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umWu96AZcAU

[D.o.s.]

I'm curious -- what standard is Doc, the championship winning coach, not meeting that Brad Stevens is?

Paul Westhead and Bill Fitch are also championship winning coaches.  And Doc has managed to win how many more games than Vinny Del Negro did in LA?

As far as winning a title, I'd go with Stevens, largely because he's got a much better GM. 

Mike

One game more. Or, alternatively, another 50+ win season for the lesser Los Angeles team, although the point is taken that talent on the floor supercedes talent on the coaching staff.

Which means that the clippers still have a better shot because they actually have good players.