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Re: Closer to Contending: Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, Philly?
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2015, 12:11:10 PM »

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TBH, I think it goes like this:
1. Boston
2. NY
3. LA
4. Philly

Why:
Boston - best GM of the bunch, Stevens showing he's a very good coach, decent young assets although none I'd consider a cornerstone, a boatload of picks to use or trade (those Brooklyn picks are looking better every day), a large TPE to use on a player making good money and a sizable chunk of cap space coming up.  Add in Danny's demonstrated history of willing to make a big move to improve the team, I have to give the nod to the C's here.

NY has Melo ready to come back next year, a pick likely to be top 3 barring a major surprise in the draft, a decent amount of cap space and Phil Jackson to act as a lure for FA's impressed by his resume.

LA has Kobe ready to come back next year (he's unlikely to be as productive as Melo at this stage but he has a much stronger competitive mentality), a pick likely to be top 5 barring a major surprise in the draft, a decent amount of cap space and the lure of LaLa land for FAs impressed by that. 

Philly has a 2nd-year rookie that's improving and 2 rookies that aren't playing for them but could be very good.  they own picks will likely be high in the lottery for a few more years because they're expected to stink, NOT IMPROVE.  They'll get LA's pick probably next when LA has had an opportunity to improve their team and the pick will likely be late lottery if not out of the lottery.  The biggest drawback for Philly is that by the time they're young players start to develop some real skills, they'll be ready for restricted free agency and have a strong incentive to play for their QO and become an unrestricted free agent just to get out of that losing atmosphere while still getting their first big contract.  Granted this is yet to happen but I strongly believe they will bleed young talent that wants to go to a winning environment.

I understand that expectation from the general populous but it's not in line with Philly's intentions at all. They'll be much more stable next year and have more depth. They'll be nipping at the heels of the playoffs if not securely in them in 16-17 unless the NBA loses a season. They've said from the beginning they want to be in serious contention within 5 years, this nonsense about Hinkie giving away good players for nothing to tank forever is a baseless narrative.

That puts the as a playoff team right as Noel enters RFA, and I don't think they're let him go anywhere he's right up there with Gobert as a defensive prospect. Plus they'll have the cap room to fill out the wings with 3&D guys if they don't like what they see in the draft.

I'd put Boston above them but the C's still need rim protection and a 2nd option on offense for Thomas.


Re: Closer to Contending: Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, Philly?
« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2015, 12:23:04 PM »

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Philly's intention seems to be to not do any real building of the team until they acquire a franchise center.  If Hinkie decides next season that both Embiid and Noel have ceilings of good centers who are not franchise centers, I wouldn't be shocked if he looks to trade them and go back to trying to draft a franchise big man to build around.
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Re: Closer to Contending: Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, Philly?
« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2015, 12:40:38 PM »

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Philly's intention seems to be to not do any real building of the team until they acquire a franchise center.  If Hinkie decides next season that both Embiid and Noel have ceilings of good centers who are not franchise centers, I wouldn't be shocked if he looks to trade them and go back to trying to draft a franchise big man to build around.

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Philly's intention was to go BPA until they got a stud thru the draft. Both of the BPA guys at their top picks in the last two drafts were big men. You're kinda putting the cart before the horse there. By this time next year they'll have had 5-7 lottery picks in 3 years to build their core plus a few finds on cheap contracts like Covington and Grant who is posting nearly identical offensive numbers as Marcus Smart.

And do you seriously think Sam Hinkie is going to evaluate a cost controlled top 3 pick with less than a season of evaluation and trade him away? Come on, be rational there's no precedence in this organization for that. Noel already looks like a sure fire top 5 defensive center in a year or two, he's already an excellent defender which is extremely rare for a 20 yr old big.

Re: Closer to Contending: Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, Philly?
« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2015, 12:42:50 PM »

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TBH, I think it goes like this:
1. Boston
2. NY
3. LA
4. Philly

Why:
Boston - best GM of the bunch, Stevens showing he's a very good coach, decent young assets although none I'd consider a cornerstone, a boatload of picks to use or trade (those Brooklyn picks are looking better every day), a large TPE to use on a player making good money and a sizable chunk of cap space coming up.  Add in Danny's demonstrated history of willing to make a big move to improve the team, I have to give the nod to the C's here.

NY has Melo ready to come back next year, a pick likely to be top 3 barring a major surprise in the draft, a decent amount of cap space and Phil Jackson to act as a lure for FA's impressed by his resume.

LA has Kobe ready to come back next year (he's unlikely to be as productive as Melo at this stage but he has a much stronger competitive mentality), a pick likely to be top 5 barring a major surprise in the draft, a decent amount of cap space and the lure of LaLa land for FAs impressed by that. 

Philly has a 2nd-year rookie that's improving and 2 rookies that aren't playing for them but could be very good.  they own picks will likely be high in the lottery for a few more years because they're expected to stink, NOT IMPROVE.  They'll get LA's pick probably next when LA has had an opportunity to improve their team and the pick will likely be late lottery if not out of the lottery.  The biggest drawback for Philly is that by the time they're young players start to develop some real skills, they'll be ready for restricted free agency and have a strong incentive to play for their QO and become an unrestricted free agent just to get out of that losing atmosphere while still getting their first big contract.  Granted this is yet to happen but I strongly believe they will bleed young talent that wants to go to a winning environment.

I understand that expectation from the general populous but it's not in line with Philly's intentions at all. They'll be much more stable next year and have more depth. 

Considering that Hinkie just gave away McDaniels for, essentially, nothing just because he didn't want to pay him a few million a year, despite everyone knowing the salary cap was likely going to skyrocket, I'm not sure you can predict when Hinkie is exactly going to shift from tankapalooza to let's-win-mode.


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Re: Closer to Contending: Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, Philly?
« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2015, 12:48:18 PM »

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And do you seriously think Sam Hinkie is going to evaluate a cost controlled top 3 pick with less than a season of evaluation and trade him away?

He just traded MCW after a total of 101 games and a Rookie of the Year award.  If Embiid comes in and immediately looks like Olajuwon 2.0, no one would trade that.  But if he comes in and looks like a guy who played less than 30 college games and hasn't been in a competitive game for a year and a half, who's to say what Hinkie would do?

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Re: Closer to Contending: Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, Philly?
« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2015, 12:53:05 PM »

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If by contending, you mean get into the playoffs as a top 4 seed in the East, the Knicks are clearly closer.  They've got Melo, cap space and a high pick this year.  I'd put the Cs next, with Philly and the Lakers finishing it out.

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Re: Closer to Contending: Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, Philly?
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2015, 01:09:41 PM »

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Funny that this was brought up.  I'm releasing a column on this very topic on the 22nd and already have plans to discuss it with Ian Thomsen on this week's show.

And already discussed this with an agent (who had some very interesting words regarding the Celtics and the franchise), as well.  His words will help me with my column.

To give one a preview of my opinion: It's not even close.  Really no debate here at all.
The only one you could argue "not even close" about would be the Knicks.   Melo, probably Okafor, New York city, Phil Jackson and cap space trump all.   

In terms of putting together a 3 star system it's basically a bunny layup.  They can easily sign someone.  They can easily trade the pick for a star vet if they decide to do it.   By far the closest to taking a theoretical leap into contender status.

Compare that to the celtics. How can they acquire even that first star ?  Free agency will be a challenge (and impossible unless they renounce the rights to crowder, bass, jerebko and other key players who are key to our recent success).   We can try to luck into a star prospect with a 10-16 pick, but that's unlikely.  So our closest path to even getting a Melo would be conning some team into accepting a package of mediocre assets for a star.   We already tried and failed last summer.  If you are the Kings trading cousins would you rather have Boston's pu-pu platter of mid 1sts and role players... Or do you want a Knicks package built around their top 4 pick ?
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Re: Closer to Contending: Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, Philly?
« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2015, 01:26:32 PM »

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TBH, I think it goes like this:
1. Boston
2. NY
3. LA
4. Philly

Why:
Boston - best GM of the bunch, Stevens showing he's a very good coach, decent young assets although none I'd consider a cornerstone, a boatload of picks to use or trade (those Brooklyn picks are looking better every day), a large TPE to use on a player making good money and a sizable chunk of cap space coming up.  Add in Danny's demonstrated history of willing to make a big move to improve the team, I have to give the nod to the C's here.

NY has Melo ready to come back next year, a pick likely to be top 3 barring a major surprise in the draft, a decent amount of cap space and Phil Jackson to act as a lure for FA's impressed by his resume.

LA has Kobe ready to come back next year (he's unlikely to be as productive as Melo at this stage but he has a much stronger competitive mentality), a pick likely to be top 5 barring a major surprise in the draft, a decent amount of cap space and the lure of LaLa land for FAs impressed by that. 

Philly has a 2nd-year rookie that's improving and 2 rookies that aren't playing for them but could be very good.  they own picks will likely be high in the lottery for a few more years because they're expected to stink, NOT IMPROVE.  They'll get LA's pick probably next when LA has had an opportunity to improve their team and the pick will likely be late lottery if not out of the lottery.  The biggest drawback for Philly is that by the time they're young players start to develop some real skills, they'll be ready for restricted free agency and have a strong incentive to play for their QO and become an unrestricted free agent just to get out of that losing atmosphere while still getting their first big contract.  Granted this is yet to happen but I strongly believe they will bleed young talent that wants to go to a winning environment.

I understand that expectation from the general populous but it's not in line with Philly's intentions at all. They'll be much more stable next year and have more depth. They'll be nipping at the heels of the playoffs if not securely in them in 16-17 unless the NBA loses a season. They've said from the beginning they want to be in serious contention within 5 years, this nonsense about Hinkie giving away good players for nothing to tank forever is a baseless narrative.

That puts the as a playoff team right as Noel enters RFA, and I don't think they're let him go anywhere he's right up there with Gobert as a defensive prospect. Plus they'll have the cap room to fill out the wings with 3&D guys if they don't like what they see in the draft.

I'd put Boston above them but the C's still need rim protection and a 2nd option on offense for Thomas.

They won't even be close to sniffing the playoffs next season. More than likely they'll be the worst in the East with NY getting Melo back and FAs and pretty much everyone but Brooklyn getting better.
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Re: Closer to Contending: Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, Philly?
« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2015, 01:28:28 PM »

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The lakers can go miami heat in any given year.  They are still the #1 destination city for free agents, even though they have missed the last couple of years.

Re: Closer to Contending: Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, Philly?
« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2015, 01:41:07 PM »

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I don't care much about coaches when evaluating rebuilding team's long term future.

Teams change head coaches so often nowadays that most - if not all - of these guys won't even be with their current team 3-5 years from now.

I would definitely caution this in the case of Brad Stevens. Stevens is clearly an excellent "systems" coach, he gets the most out of his pieces. A great trait in college bball. But the NBA is a star's league. Just because your coach can get a group of role players to punch above their weight doesn't mean you're any closer to contention.

Re: Closer to Contending: Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, Philly?
« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2015, 01:54:05 PM »

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TBH, I think it goes like this:
1. Boston
2. NY
3. LA
4. Philly

Why:
Boston - best GM of the bunch, Stevens showing he's a very good coach, decent young assets although none I'd consider a cornerstone, a boatload of picks to use or trade (those Brooklyn picks are looking better every day), a large TPE to use on a player making good money and a sizable chunk of cap space coming up.  Add in Danny's demonstrated history of willing to make a big move to improve the team, I have to give the nod to the C's here.

NY has Melo ready to come back next year, a pick likely to be top 3 barring a major surprise in the draft, a decent amount of cap space and Phil Jackson to act as a lure for FA's impressed by his resume.

LA has Kobe ready to come back next year (he's unlikely to be as productive as Melo at this stage but he has a much stronger competitive mentality), a pick likely to be top 5 barring a major surprise in the draft, a decent amount of cap space and the lure of LaLa land for FAs impressed by that. 

Philly has a 2nd-year rookie that's improving and 2 rookies that aren't playing for them but could be very good.  they own picks will likely be high in the lottery for a few more years because they're expected to stink, NOT IMPROVE.  They'll get LA's pick probably next when LA has had an opportunity to improve their team and the pick will likely be late lottery if not out of the lottery.  The biggest drawback for Philly is that by the time they're young players start to develop some real skills, they'll be ready for restricted free agency and have a strong incentive to play for their QO and become an unrestricted free agent just to get out of that losing atmosphere while still getting their first big contract.  Granted this is yet to happen but I strongly believe they will bleed young talent that wants to go to a winning environment.

I understand that expectation from the general populous but it's not in line with Philly's intentions at all. They'll be much more stable next year and have more depth. They'll be nipping at the heels of the playoffs if not securely in them in 16-17 unless the NBA loses a season. They've said from the beginning they want to be in serious contention within 5 years, this nonsense about Hinkie giving away good players for nothing to tank forever is a baseless narrative.

That puts the as a playoff team right as Noel enters RFA, and I don't think they're let him go anywhere he's right up there with Gobert as a defensive prospect. Plus they'll have the cap room to fill out the wings with 3&D guys if they don't like what they see in the draft.

I'd put Boston above them but the C's still need rim protection and a 2nd option on offense for Thomas.

They won't even be close to sniffing the playoffs next season. More than likely they'll be the worst in the East with NY getting Melo back and FAs and pretty much everyone but Brooklyn getting better.

They'll be a 30 win team next year unless injuries really derail them, which to me is Embiid/Noel missing a combined 50 games. If they do anything in FA and their young guys improve more than expected maybe a 32-35 win team. For all the talk about how great Boston is at developing their young guys I've yet to see any of them make the jump Noel has. James Young has barely played, and has as long to go as anybody Philly's drafted. Smart is a pretty mediocre offensive player, comparable offensively to a guy the same age we drafted with a pick in the 30s so I'm not really seeing where this "we're awesome at developing guys" swag is coming from.

Boston is clearly better now, and I trust Ainge to be decisive when an opportunity presents itself to grab a star but there is a very real risk of a 45 win holding pattern while you guys pray for a Nets implosion(likely if they keep Billy King). If that's the course you have to take we're talking a very long rebuild.

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« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2015, 02:02:30 PM »

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And do you seriously think Sam Hinkie is going to evaluate a cost controlled top 3 pick with less than a season of evaluation and trade him away?

He just traded MCW after a total of 101 games and a Rookie of the Year award.  If Embiid comes in and immediately looks like Olajuwon 2.0, no one would trade that.  But if he comes in and looks like a guy who played less than 30 college games and hasn't been in a competitive game for a year and a half, who's to say what Hinkie would do?

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Which is more or less than one season? So that's not really apples to apples.

And MCW is a 23 year old PG(the leagues deepest position) not a 20 year old two way Center(the leagues thinnest position). Not to mention one was picked 11th and one was picked 3rd.

There's no precedent whatsoever for that. Even the McDaniels trade isn't comparable because he was a 2nd round pick, the 3rd best player at his position on our team and a pending RFA who will probably get overpaid.

Re: Closer to Contending: Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, Philly?
« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2015, 02:13:46 PM »

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TBH, I think it goes like this:
1. Boston
2. NY
3. LA
4. Philly

Why:
Boston - best GM of the bunch, Stevens showing he's a very good coach, decent young assets although none I'd consider a cornerstone, a boatload of picks to use or trade (those Brooklyn picks are looking better every day), a large TPE to use on a player making good money and a sizable chunk of cap space coming up.  Add in Danny's demonstrated history of willing to make a big move to improve the team, I have to give the nod to the C's here.

NY has Melo ready to come back next year, a pick likely to be top 3 barring a major surprise in the draft, a decent amount of cap space and Phil Jackson to act as a lure for FA's impressed by his resume.

LA has Kobe ready to come back next year (he's unlikely to be as productive as Melo at this stage but he has a much stronger competitive mentality), a pick likely to be top 5 barring a major surprise in the draft, a decent amount of cap space and the lure of LaLa land for FAs impressed by that. 

Philly has a 2nd-year rookie that's improving and 2 rookies that aren't playing for them but could be very good.  they own picks will likely be high in the lottery for a few more years because they're expected to stink, NOT IMPROVE.  They'll get LA's pick probably next when LA has had an opportunity to improve their team and the pick will likely be late lottery if not out of the lottery.  The biggest drawback for Philly is that by the time they're young players start to develop some real skills, they'll be ready for restricted free agency and have a strong incentive to play for their QO and become an unrestricted free agent just to get out of that losing atmosphere while still getting their first big contract.  Granted this is yet to happen but I strongly believe they will bleed young talent that wants to go to a winning environment.

I understand that expectation from the general populous but it's not in line with Philly's intentions at all. They'll be much more stable next year and have more depth. 

Considering that Hinkie just gave away McDaniels for, essentially, nothing just because he didn't want to pay him a few million a year, despite everyone knowing the salary cap was likely going to skyrocket, I'm not sure you can predict when Hinkie is exactly going to shift from tankapalooza to let's-win-mode.


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KJ McDaniels was the 3rd best player at his position. On the Sixers.

He's not a good basketball player, he's a walking highlight who can't play team defense, can't shoot and has no handle.

The reason Sam Hinkie didn't want to pay him a few million dollars is because he's not worth a few million dollars.

For that they got a pick in the 30s(where McDaniels was taken) and a PG who has shot 40% from 3 who Morey snatched from Hinkie by one pick in 2013.

Re: Closer to Contending: Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, Philly?
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Re: Closer to Contending: Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, Philly?
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TBH, I think it goes like this:
1. Boston
2. NY
3. LA
4. Philly

Why:
Boston - best GM of the bunch, Stevens showing he's a very good coach, decent young assets although none I'd consider a cornerstone, a boatload of picks to use or trade (those Brooklyn picks are looking better every day), a large TPE to use on a player making good money and a sizable chunk of cap space coming up.  Add in Danny's demonstrated history of willing to make a big move to improve the team, I have to give the nod to the C's here.

NY has Melo ready to come back next year, a pick likely to be top 3 barring a major surprise in the draft, a decent amount of cap space and Phil Jackson to act as a lure for FA's impressed by his resume.

LA has Kobe ready to come back next year (he's unlikely to be as productive as Melo at this stage but he has a much stronger competitive mentality), a pick likely to be top 5 barring a major surprise in the draft, a decent amount of cap space and the lure of LaLa land for FAs impressed by that. 

Philly has a 2nd-year rookie that's improving and 2 rookies that aren't playing for them but could be very good.  they own picks will likely be high in the lottery for a few more years because they're expected to stink, NOT IMPROVE.  They'll get LA's pick probably next when LA has had an opportunity to improve their team and the pick will likely be late lottery if not out of the lottery.  The biggest drawback for Philly is that by the time they're young players start to develop some real skills, they'll be ready for restricted free agency and have a strong incentive to play for their QO and become an unrestricted free agent just to get out of that losing atmosphere while still getting their first big contract.  Granted this is yet to happen but I strongly believe they will bleed young talent that wants to go to a winning environment.

I understand that expectation from the general populous but it's not in line with Philly's intentions at all. They'll be much more stable next year and have more depth. They'll be nipping at the heels of the playoffs if not securely in them in 16-17 unless the NBA loses a season. They've said from the beginning they want to be in serious contention within 5 years, this nonsense about Hinkie giving away good players for nothing to tank forever is a baseless narrative.

That puts the as a playoff team right as Noel enters RFA, and I don't think they're let him go anywhere he's right up there with Gobert as a defensive prospect. Plus they'll have the cap room to fill out the wings with 3&D guys if they don't like what they see in the draft.

I'd put Boston above them but the C's still need rim protection and a 2nd option on offense for Thomas.

They won't even be close to sniffing the playoffs next season. More than likely they'll be the worst in the East with NY getting Melo back and FAs and pretty much everyone but Brooklyn getting better.

They'll be a 30 win team next year unless injuries really derail them, which to me is Embiid/Noel missing a combined 50 games. If they do anything in FA and their young guys improve more than expected maybe a 32-35 win team. For all the talk about how great Boston is at developing their young guys I've yet to see any of them make the jump Noel has. James Young has barely played, and has as long to go as anybody Philly's drafted. Smart is a pretty mediocre offensive player, comparable offensively to a guy the same age we drafted with a pick in the 30s so I'm not really seeing where this "we're awesome at developing guys" swag is coming from.

Boston is clearly better now, and I trust Ainge to be decisive when an opportunity presents itself to grab a star but there is a very real risk of a 45 win holding pattern while you guys pray for a Nets implosion(likely if they keep Billy King). If that's the course you have to take we're talking a very long rebuild.
had a good size rebuttal to this but lost it when I hit the wrong key by accident.  I don't feel like retyping it all so I'll condense it.

all you're continuing to do is spew your love for Philly and trying to support it with baseless speculation.

bottom line:
Hinkie's intentions don't mean squat.  if the players get sick of losing and the culture of losing (and I have little doubt some will) they will play out their rookie contract, sign for just the QO as an RFA and hit the market the following year as a UFA to get out of there.  Not saying they'll lose all of those young players like this but I believe it will happen enough to expose the folly of Philly's full-tank-until-drafting-a-stud philosophy. 

Also, there roster is incredibly unbalanced/lackin in terms of their top prospects.  they've got 3, 2 of which aren't playing this year and the other is a second-year rookie.  no way those 3, assuming Saric were to come over which he'd be foolish to do now, would get that team in the playoffs no matter who they added with their pick this year.  don't forget, they have to fill the rest of that roster with guys who can actually play if the intention is to do more than stink the joint up.  what talented vet would actually choose to join that disaster unless they're being obscenely overpaid?  none, and even then I still doubt there'd be enough money to lure someone AND with the playoffs a distant thought, no way Hinkie empties his piggy bank to try to sign a FA of any quality at this point.

Philly may be better next year but barely.  you're missing the obvious point that other teams doing crappy this year will all figure to be better next year as well.  who is Philly going to pass in the standings realistically?  no one I can see.