What do we do with Sullinger now?

[LooseCannon]

There are like 20 better power forwards in the NBA than Sully and 30 teahttp://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?action=mlistms in total.  At the same time, he has value in a trade.  Ship him out

Who are they then? Besides the obvious candidates.

Likely candidates:
Anthony Davis, Pau Gasol, Blake Griffin, Derrick Favors, Pau Gasol, Tim Duncan, Kevin Love, Paul Millsap, Lamarcus Aldridge, Nikola Mirotic, Zach Randolph, Dirk Nowitzki, Greg Monroe, Taj Gibson, Ryan Anderson, David West, Serge Ibaka

He would be if you played him at PF:
Lebron James, Al Horford, Carmelo Anthony

Maybe:
Kenneth Faried, Nene, David Lee, Ed Davis, Mitch McGary, Kris Humphries, Amir Johnson, Luis Scola, Terrence Jones

I'm missing a few names.  I don't agree with everyone on the maybe list, and I wouldn't necessarily trade him straight up for everyone I think is better, due to contracts/age/etc., but I don't think that the opinion that there are 20 better power forwards is ridiculous.

[jdz101]

There are like 20 better power forwards in the NBA than Sully and 30 teahttp://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?action=mlistms in total.  At the same time, he has value in a trade.  Ship him out

Who are they then? Besides the obvious candidates.

Likely candidates:
Anthony Davis, Pau Gasol, Blake Griffin, Derrick Favors, Pau Gasol, Tim Duncan, Kevin Love, Paul Millsap, Lamarcus Aldridge, Nikola Mirotic, Zach Randolph, Dirk Nowitzki, Greg Monroe, Taj Gibson, Ryan Anderson, David West, Serge Ibaka

He would be if you played him at PF:
Lebron James, Al Horford, Carmelo Anthony

Maybe:
Kenneth Faried, Nene, David Lee, Ed Davis, Mitch McGary, Kris Humphries, Amir Johnson, Luis Scola, Terrence Jones

I'm missing a few names.  I don't agree with everyone on the maybe list, and I wouldn't necessarily trade him straight up for everyone I think is better, due to contracts/age/etc., but I don't think that the opinion that there are 20 better power forwards is ridiculous.

Bolds are definitely not the case. Mitch Mcgary? Ed davis? Come on. Taj Gibson is one of the most overrated power forwards in the league aswell.

Sullinger is essentially a slightly poorer man's Paul Millsap statistically. That's not amazing, but its not bad either. Hopefully he trims down. He's better than he gets credit for here.

[Hemingway]

Hopefully he comes into camp ready to go and looks good so we can trade him before the deadline. I don[t want to invest in him long term nor lose him for nothing.

[colincb]

There are like 20 better power forwards in the NBA than Sully and 30 teahttp://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?action=mlistms in total.  At the same time, he has value in a trade.  Ship him out

Who are they then? Besides the obvious candidates.

Likely candidates:
Anthony Davis, Pau Gasol, Blake Griffin, Derrick Favors, Pau Gasol, Tim Duncan, Kevin Love, Paul Millsap, Lamarcus Aldridge, Nikola Mirotic, Zach Randolph, Dirk Nowitzki, Greg Monroe, Taj Gibson, Ryan Anderson, David West, Serge Ibaka

He would be if you played him at PF:
Lebron James, Al Horford, Carmelo Anthony

Maybe:
Kenneth Faried, Nene, David Lee, Ed Davis, Mitch McGary, Kris Humphries, Amir Johnson, Luis Scola, Terrence Jones

I'm missing a few names.  I don't agree with everyone on the maybe list, and I wouldn't necessarily trade him straight up for everyone I think is better, due to contracts/age/etc., but I don't think that the opinion that there are 20 better power forwards is ridiculous.

Bolds are definitely not the case. Mitch Mcgary? Ed davis? Come on. Taj Gibson is one of the most overrated power forwards in the league aswell.

Sullinger is essentially a slightly poorer man's Paul Millsap statistically. That's not amazing, but its not bad either. Hopefully he trims down. He's better than he gets credit for here.

Throw out the double post of Pau Gasol as well as Ryan Anderson who has a lesser PER and one of the worst Defensive Box +/- in the NBA. David West has similar overall stats to Sullinger, but is clearly in decline and wouldn't be worthy of a straight up trade.  I'm also not trading a late first for Duncan, Dirk, Pau, or Zack either given their advanced age and salaries. They're better than Sullinger, but the end is near, especially for the first two AND we're not a contender.

Sullinger's tied for 20th in PER among PFs with 12+mpg and has a better defensive +/- than 6 of the guys ahead of him.  Puts him in the middle of the pack as far as starters goes and given his age and salary, he's a good value. I don't see super-stardom for him, but he should be able to be a better than average starting PF in the NBA and he's almost there now after 2+ years.

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Otherwise, you trade Sullinger if you get better value and, if not, you hold Sullinger and see how he and the market for him pans out. Substitute X for Sullinger and you have the same answer for everyone on the roster who's not a fringe player.

[Celtics4ever]

I can't believe are throwing Sullinger under a bus. I felt his defense wasn't bad at all.

Really what about chucking threes early in a possession, not running up and down the court?   Did you think that was not bad as well?

I am not throwing him under the bus, I have been driving the bus against him all year and a harsh critic.

I don't see super-stardom for him, but he should be able to be a better than average starting PF in the NBA and he's almost there now after 2+ years.

PER Alone to gauge his D, is very silly.   He fails the eyetest too, other teams attacked the rim with vigor when he was in there.

Look at some of the stats here.

http://www.82games.com/1415/14BOS15.HTM

He is too slow to guard some PFs so we often played him at C, opposing C's shot eFG  .557% against him and PF eFG .475.  Almost anything he gave you was negated by the other team they rebounded well but he shot more poorly than the opposition.  He is a horrible  help defender and sometimes he did not even try.

The team is more fun to watch now even with the second team in because they run and their is movement.  IT has been great but I think the absence of Sully has helped as well and seeing a less talented guy like Crowder or Jerebko out there moving and trying has been more enjoyable than a guy with more talent squandering it for me at least and we help on D.

[GratefulCs]

Send him to fat camp for the summer

[krumeto]

Good thing is that Ainge does not have to do anything. Not a forced hand this time.

If he wants to keep him, no probs. Sully has disappointed with his fitness, but his play has actually improved this year over the previous. He was more efficient. He has still untapped potential (to avoid the "room to grow"), especially with improved body.

If he wants to ship him on Draft day to move up or later via trade, no probs. I do not view Sully as a significant improvement in the PF rotation. It is equally good/bad/mediocre (as you wish) with or without him.

Would Orlando agree on 10th+Sully for the 5th? I'd part with a lot to draft Johnson.

[Old Wine]

Sully could be a very good bench player. He could play for 20 minutes max. Play him in the last 5 if he is rested.

[dreamgreen]

He either gets in shape or you try to trade him for value.

[DavorCroatiaFan]

If Minnesota selects Okafor or Towns i would offer them Sullinger for Dieng. Sullinger reunite with KG. With Okafor/Towns, KG and Pekovi? Dieng would became expendable and we get 25-year old center who is rim protector and got seriou double-double potential

[konkmv]

trade him for 2 first rounders

[mef730]

trade him for 2 first rounders

I'd like whatever you're smoking.

Mike

[Donoghus]

trade him for 2 first rounders

In what league is that happening?

[pokeKingCurtis]

Rajon Rondo Rared Rurringrer?

[LGC88]

Regarding Sullinger's father attitude towards his son when sully doesn't behave like it should be, I'm hoping it is just a matter of maturity for sully. Everything should be ok soon, but he needs to open his eyes and it starts by listening to what danny said to him (that should hurt btw).
So far the Celtics gave him more than he gave back to this franchise.
Now it's the time for sully to put his s... together and become a key player for this franchise.
If he doesn't get it, I'm sure Danny will find good value for him next year.