Quote from: coffee425 on March 12, 2015, 11:43:03 AM

The leading scorer of the team gets hurt for the rest of the season, and the celtics didn't miss a beat. Jerebko gets solid PT and contributes perfectly in the system and Kelly's back to spreading the floor. So what do we do with Sully? Personally, he's officially trade bait admist this surge. As skilled as he is, there' no fit for him here. Unless he magically turn his body into brandon bass over the summer, his fit in this offense is looking worse with every win.
I think his season numbers were inflated because he was the only "go-to" scorer and paint threat. Ironically, a 5'9 player has replaced him in both categories, while Jerebko's flying around for the same rebounds/tap-outs and making those 3s that Sully couldn't hit.

I have a lot of trepidation in giving Sully a big contract. His attitude and work ethic are questionable, making a long-term deal risky. I complain a lot about the Bradley deal but at least I know he'll always be trying. At worst, Bradley is still going to be giving effort. Sullinger can't even get in shape his third year in the league. Unfortunately I don't think Sullinger has a lot of value around the league and ending this season with an injury doesn't help either.

If the Celtics decide they're not going to match whatever crazy offer he gets in 2016 then they should probably just deal him. There's a chance he could come back and be gangbusters next season, but he'll most likely just put forth a "good enough" effort to get paid.

Maybe, but it can be argued that his stock has never been higher statistically. Flipping him for a 1st rounder or an above average wing player would be enough for me.

Sully will get one more chance . he comes in the best shape of his life next season , is quicker, more explosive and he will be here for a long time.

He comes in the same shape, he is a goner.

I think you wait until he comes back next season in better shape (since it's a contract year I expect him to actually do it this time), then after he plays well to star the season we should trade him.

Although I think he will come into the season in shape, the likelihood he stays in shape is not high. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets dealt on draft night though.

I'd be shocked if Danny doesn't (quietly) start inquiring around about Sully's trade value.  Maybe package him with our first rounder to move up in the draft.  He has not shown the commitment (at least yet) needed to make the most of his talent.  He's had back and foot injuries, which are tough enough for any big man but certainly extra worrisome for a man as big as Sully is. 

And really...  has he gotten any better?  His numbers this season are virtually identical to what they were last year, and other than playing a little more not that much improved over his rookie year (a little better scoring, but rebounding's the same).  He hasn't developed the outside shot, at least not with any consistency - he's not really a stretch-big. 

I mean, he's certainly not a bad player, but he looks like a rotation guy (if he stays in shape and healthy) much more than he looks like a future All-Star.  And he could still eat his way out of the league, like dozens of talented big men before him. 

So, I think you at least LISTEN, see what his value might be this offseason.  There are certainly worse moves you could make than to re-sign Bass and keep developing KO.  We still need another legit 5 to pair with Zeller, but that's the case regardless of what happens with Sully.

Quote from: obnoxiousmime on March 12, 2015, 11:59:23 AM

Quote from: coffee425 on March 12, 2015, 11:43:03 AM

The leading scorer of the team gets hurt for the rest of the season, and the celtics didn't miss a beat. Jerebko gets solid PT and contributes perfectly in the system and Kelly's back to spreading the floor. So what do we do with Sully? Personally, he's officially trade bait admist this surge. As skilled as he is, there' no fit for him here. Unless he magically turn his body into brandon bass over the summer, his fit in this offense is looking worse with every win.
I think his season numbers were inflated because he was the only "go-to" scorer and paint threat. Ironically, a 5'9 player has replaced him in both categories, while Jerebko's flying around for the same rebounds/tap-outs and making those 3s that Sully couldn't hit.

I have a lot of trepidation in giving Sully a big contract. His attitude and work ethic are questionable, making a long-term deal risky. I complain a lot about the Bradley deal but at least I know he'll always be trying. At worst, Bradley is still going to be giving effort. Sullinger can't even get in shape his third year in the league. Unfortunately I don't think Sullinger has a lot of value around the league and ending this season with an injury doesn't help either.

If the Celtics decide they're not going to match whatever crazy offer he gets in 2016 then they should probably just deal him. There's a chance he could come back and be gangbusters next season, but he'll most likely just put forth a "good enough" effort to get paid.

Maybe, but it can be argued that his stock has never been higher statistically. Flipping him for a 1st rounder or an above average wing player would be enough for me.

True, but with the Celtics playing better lately Sully's stats look even more like good stats on a bad team.

I wouldn't at all be against Sully staying on our team at the right price.  He can shoot/pass/rebound pretty well for a big man.  He's easily our best rebounder.  He's big enough to guard the C and mobile enough to guard the PF.

All depends on how he comes out of the gate obviously but.. by no means does Jerebko or Datome replace Sullinger, or even Zeller.

He's 23.  You keep the development going with the kid.  Ainge and Stevens have let him know where he needs to be.  This isn't a joke of an organization like others....there is an actual plan laid out.

The option is always open to trade him.  Ainge knows his value right now if that's what it comes down to.  Is it better to keep him for the future ?  Sign him ?  Trade him ?  Ainge is the only one that knows this because he knows how other GM's in the league value Sully.  For now, you keep developing the kid.

I'm pretty sure they've been telling him where he needs to be for almost three years now. They're probably out of patience with him, especially since he's blown what value he had for now--and then he'll be coming to the end of his contract.

Yeah, he probably would come back in better shape next year and play somewhat better, but how confident are other teams going to be with him anyway? Do the C's want to maybe take a step back just to try to showcase him again, over playing time for, say, KO and Jerebko?

I'd guess he's available for a very modest price, but they may keep him for a few months into the season.