Celtics (8-2) at 76ers (9-2) Game #11 11/10/26

[LilRip]

Terrific team win! It is early in the season but this was a big win for the team. Hopefully we can continue to build on this momentum.

Some observations:
- PG playing like an allstar this year
- Maxey is the Sixers best player
- LeBron is really what puts this Sixers team over the top and what makes them a legit contender
- even if our 3-ball wasnt dropping, I think we still could have won. It would have been a closer game but this swarming defense looks legit

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Jaylen finished a -27

I still hated the trade and frankly, IF they were gonna trade him I'd have wanted them to trade him + others for Giannis (didn't realize they'd trade Jaylen anyways even if Giannis fell through). But tonight did feel a bit similar to some of these Game 7s we've seen from Jaylen in the past with the turnovers, poor decisions and subpar defense. When teams put some pressure on him defensively he has trouble, and the C's are capable of doing that too.

Sixers are a loaded team but I also think Embiid is a big part of that. When he's not playing or sits, they are a bit more exposed and Lebron at his age isn't capable of playing center minutes either especially on defense. Frontcourt gets thin fast for them.

we hated the trade because we did not get long term value back. we all wanted giannis. is PG a welcome surprise since he is not who we wanted? yes. but this is real short term especially at his age and injuries.  i canot see brad not shipping PG off to get something in return before he is done for good. that is my deep concern

How did Brad not get back long term value with the Clippers pick?

Giving up Brown AND picks for an older (albeit better) player is the opposite of long term value.

Brad went out and got what he felt was the better fit next to Tatum AND got as valuable a future pick as there is out there. There might not be a single pick I would trade that one for. And now PG13 is looking really good in green.

I was a fan of the deal (trust Brad) from the get and early returns confirm that belief.

the point is how many years left does PG have versus brown?

you cannot do ASSUMPTIONS based on picks way down the road. that is ridiculous. There is nothing absolute with that. you do not know what you will get if anything.

PG is 36 and injury riddled for much of the last few years. This could be PG last good year IF he does not get hurt. tell me how long KG lasted being real good past 36. exactly.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Checking Sixers forums after we play them is always a joy of mine.

Surprisingly, many of them are optimistic, primarily pointing back to the playoff series last year when they beat us. It feels like the injuries last year and new players on the Cs aren't enough to scare them.

There's a lot of talk about our shooting against them too. The classic "If they shot a lesser percentage we would have won." Two obvious problems with that is: 1) Yeah, it's a make or miss league, and the Knicks won a championship last year shooting ridiculous percentages, and 2) The reason we shot so well is because so many of our looks were open. That's a problem with their defense, not our offense.

After years of reading their saltiness because we had their number in big games, I was a bit disappointed to once again seen optimism in their threads. That won't do.

Sixers didn't beat the Celtics last year. They beat themselves. They were up 3-1, and had a double-digit lead in Game 5 at home before the inevitable collapse.

If Sixers fans like the history channel, then the Celtics have belted the Sixers in the playoffs many times even when they had that superteam with Al Horford/Jimmy Butler or with James Harden.

They'll soon know why I hate Jaylen Brown on the basketball court, and they've seen glimpses of it tonight. Glad we got rid of this turnover bum

philly blew a 3-2 lead to us in 2023. yes, the blown 3-1 lead last year was a fireable offense. unprecendented in celtics history. i could forgive joe blowing TWO 20 point leads in 25 to the knickerbockers ONLY if he had made the finals in 23 like he should have.  we shoulda been in finals 3 straight. tatum got hurt 2nd round against knicks and we were not making finals after that even if we got past new york.

but last year...........unforgivable.

[slamtheking]

watched on delay.  tonight's hot takes:
- Tatum, PG and PP played great.  great shooting from them on a night when we really needed it with Philly getting a ridiculous amount of love from the refs.  Hauser with a great shooting night too
- team's collapse in the third to allow a tie was nerve-racking but they responded in fantastic fashion by blowing them out.
- rest of the team was pretty solid but MRob hands to start the game were awful.
- JB was trying too hard to make a statement this game and it went badly.  he'll put together a massive game against us at some point this season.
- Maxey is the prime player for Philly.  everyone else, including JB, have to play as his support.  that'll be the key to how far they go this season.

have to say, the way JB blew off Tatum in pregame with not reacting to the hug was bush-league.  gave him the benefit of the doubt with all this offseason crap but that really knocked him down a number of pegs in my eye.  it's a shame.  this brought me around to preferring having PG on the team instead of JB which is sad.

JB is a clsoe follower of Kyrie. Both are one and the same. Treat Brown like how we treat Kyrie. That is the mission.

unless JB stomps on Lucky like that piece of crap Kyrie, I won't treat them the same.  I'll still recognize JB for what he did for the C's but this crap with Tatum just diminishes him personally to me.

[Phantom255x]

Jaylen finished a -27

I still hated the trade and frankly, IF they were gonna trade him I'd have wanted them to trade him + others for Giannis (didn't realize they'd trade Jaylen anyways even if Giannis fell through). But tonight did feel a bit similar to some of these Game 7s we've seen from Jaylen in the past with the turnovers, poor decisions and subpar defense. When teams put some pressure on him defensively he has trouble, and the C's are capable of doing that too.

Sixers are a loaded team but I also think Embiid is a big part of that. When he's not playing or sits, they are a bit more exposed and Lebron at his age isn't capable of playing center minutes either especially on defense. Frontcourt gets thin fast for them.

I still would?ve likely traded for Giannis - he?s too good not to - but I do really question how he would fit with Tatum and this team. You can see in Miami how his unique nature requires the right players around him.

PG is such a clear fit on both sides of the ball, I think all in all this may be the better bet, especially given Gianni?s? injury history abd what it would take to get him.

I think Giannis would have been great here, and you'd have a three headed monster of Giannis-Robinson-Queta in the frontcourt. Yes, a bit of a void at wing but it would allow Tatum to flourish at the 3 spot, and you still have PP/White/Conley/Hauser and probably another addition from the minimum/ring-chasing market.  I didn't want to make the trade because Giannis had injury risks with his calf feeling like a ticking time bomb, and Jaylen is still younger, BUT if you told me we were 1000% trading Jaylen regardless then I would have just acquiesced and traded him to MIL even if it meant parting with Hugo too.

I still think they panic-traded JB to PHI when the offers started to dry (or other teams went other routes) and Brad went with PG13. My biggest issue is that they couldn't get back another young player (like Edgecomb) OR 2 more picks from the deal.

[Phantom255x]

I will say, I chuckled when in recent days, you heard Jaylen basically saying "stay ready at all times" and "going to war", yet postgame when asked about ignoring Tatum he says "I wasn't paying attention" 

[angryguy77]

Jaylen finished a -27

I still hated the trade and frankly, IF they were gonna trade him I'd have wanted them to trade him + others for Giannis (didn't realize they'd trade Jaylen anyways even if Giannis fell through). But tonight did feel a bit similar to some of these Game 7s we've seen from Jaylen in the past with the turnovers, poor decisions and subpar defense. When teams put some pressure on him defensively he has trouble, and the C's are capable of doing that too.

Sixers are a loaded team but I also think Embiid is a big part of that. When he's not playing or sits, they are a bit more exposed and Lebron at his age isn't capable of playing center minutes either especially on defense. Frontcourt gets thin fast for them.

we hated the trade because we did not get long term value back. we all wanted giannis. is PG a welcome surprise since he is not who we wanted? yes. but this is real short term especially at his age and injuries.  i canot see brad not shipping PG off to get something in return before he is done for good. that is my deep concern

How did Brad not get back long term value with the Clippers pick?

Giving up Brown AND picks for an older (albeit better) player is the opposite of long term value.

Brad went out and got what he felt was the better fit next to Tatum AND got as valuable a future pick as there is out there. There might not be a single pick I would trade that one for. And now PG13 is looking really good in green.

I was a fan of the deal (trust Brad) from the get and early returns confirm that belief.

the point is how many years left does PG have versus brown?

you cannot do ASSUMPTIONS based on picks way down the road. that is ridiculous. There is nothing absolute with that. you do not know what you will get if anything.

PG is 36 and injury riddled for much of the last few years. This could be PG last good year IF he does not get hurt. tell me how long KG lasted being real good past 36. exactly.

They were not winning with JB either way due to the salary. They were not recreating a 2024 roster with the new rules, so while you can't guarantee the future picks do result in a title, you position yourself with for a possibility you wouldn't get with JB.

[angryguy77]

https://x.com/TheDangerousAii/status/2120503756898939152?a=P4BbNvYZUHXvhaeAwPc&s=20

Might be the best one yet.

[Roy H.]

Jaylen finished a -27

I still hated the trade and frankly, IF they were gonna trade him I'd have wanted them to trade him + others for Giannis (didn't realize they'd trade Jaylen anyways even if Giannis fell through). But tonight did feel a bit similar to some of these Game 7s we've seen from Jaylen in the past with the turnovers, poor decisions and subpar defense. When teams put some pressure on him defensively he has trouble, and the C's are capable of doing that too.

Sixers are a loaded team but I also think Embiid is a big part of that. When he's not playing or sits, they are a bit more exposed and Lebron at his age isn't capable of playing center minutes either especially on defense. Frontcourt gets thin fast for them.

we hated the trade because we did not get long term value back. we all wanted giannis. is PG a welcome surprise since he is not who we wanted? yes. but this is real short term especially at his age and injuries.  i canot see brad not shipping PG off to get something in return before he is done for good. that is my deep concern

How did Brad not get back long term value with the Clippers pick?

Giving up Brown AND picks for an older (albeit better) player is the opposite of long term value.

Brad went out and got what he felt was the better fit next to Tatum AND got as valuable a future pick as there is out there. There might not be a single pick I would trade that one for. And now PG13 is looking really good in green.

I was a fan of the deal (trust Brad) from the get and early returns confirm that belief.

the point is how many years left does PG have versus brown?

you cannot do ASSUMPTIONS based on picks way down the road. that is ridiculous. There is nothing absolute with that. you do not know what you will get if anything.

PG is 36 and injury riddled for much of the last few years. This could be PG last good year IF he does not get hurt. tell me how long KG lasted being real good past 36. exactly.

They were not winning with JB either way due to the salary. They were not recreating a 2024 roster with the new rules, so while you can't guarantee the future picks do result in a title, you position yourself with for a possibility you wouldn't get with JB.

I don't think that's right.  It's the propaganda the team put out there, but we had plenty of flexibility to keep JB and build a contender.  I mean, the last two years we've had Tatum and JB/George (on similar contracts) while staying below the luxury tax.  We're basically $23 million below a contender's budget, even with two max contracts.

[slamtheking]

Jaylen finished a -27

I still hated the trade and frankly, IF they were gonna trade him I'd have wanted them to trade him + others for Giannis (didn't realize they'd trade Jaylen anyways even if Giannis fell through). But tonight did feel a bit similar to some of these Game 7s we've seen from Jaylen in the past with the turnovers, poor decisions and subpar defense. When teams put some pressure on him defensively he has trouble, and the C's are capable of doing that too.

Sixers are a loaded team but I also think Embiid is a big part of that. When he's not playing or sits, they are a bit more exposed and Lebron at his age isn't capable of playing center minutes either especially on defense. Frontcourt gets thin fast for them.

I still would?ve likely traded for Giannis - he?s too good not to - but I do really question how he would fit with Tatum and this team. You can see in Miami how his unique nature requires the right players around him.

PG is such a clear fit on both sides of the ball, I think all in all this may be the better bet, especially given Gianni?s? injury history abd what it would take to get him.

I think Giannis would have been great here, and you'd have a three headed monster of Giannis-Robinson-Queta in the frontcourt. Yes, a bit of a void at wing but it would allow Tatum to flourish at the 3 spot, and you still have PP/White/Conley/Hauser and probably another addition from the minimum/ring-chasing market.  I didn't want to make the trade because Giannis had injury risks with his calf feeling like a ticking time bomb, and Jaylen is still younger, BUT if you told me we were 1000% trading Jaylen regardless then I would have just acquiesced and traded him to MIL even if it meant parting with Hugo too.

I still think they panic-traded JB to PHI when the offers started to dry (or other teams went other routes) and Brad went with PG13. My biggest issue is that they couldn't get back another young player (like Edgecomb) OR 2 more picks from the deal.

this was the issue with the trade for me as well. 

[Phantom255x]

I think if they wanted to keep Jaylen, they could have traded White and Hauser away to make it happen. And for people saying "they don't have value", yeah and neither did Jrue/Porzingis yet Brad still dumped them for salary purposes. Even the Jaylen trade could be viewed as that based on the return. The avenue was there, but Tatum and ownership preferred it was Jaylen dealt. If Tatum wanted Jaylen here and advocated for it hard, I doubt they do it and look at other ways.

Personally I do think White isn't gonna age well in his contract and he's the guy I'd consider moving even for a limited return if it meant clearing his money. He's definitely not worth 32M a year now even with some of the intangibles he may provide. Not just George, but I think if you can clear him + White (or if George is willing to stay on a restructured multi-year deal beyond 2026) you have a path to add a bunch of talent in future years. Queta and PP are on nice, not-insane deals already.

[angryguy77]

Jaylen finished a -27

I still hated the trade and frankly, IF they were gonna trade him I'd have wanted them to trade him + others for Giannis (didn't realize they'd trade Jaylen anyways even if Giannis fell through). But tonight did feel a bit similar to some of these Game 7s we've seen from Jaylen in the past with the turnovers, poor decisions and subpar defense. When teams put some pressure on him defensively he has trouble, and the C's are capable of doing that too.

Sixers are a loaded team but I also think Embiid is a big part of that. When he's not playing or sits, they are a bit more exposed and Lebron at his age isn't capable of playing center minutes either especially on defense. Frontcourt gets thin fast for them.

we hated the trade because we did not get long term value back. we all wanted giannis. is PG a welcome surprise since he is not who we wanted? yes. but this is real short term especially at his age and injuries.  i canot see brad not shipping PG off to get something in return before he is done for good. that is my deep concern

How did Brad not get back long term value with the Clippers pick?

Giving up Brown AND picks for an older (albeit better) player is the opposite of long term value.

Brad went out and got what he felt was the better fit next to Tatum AND got as valuable a future pick as there is out there. There might not be a single pick I would trade that one for. And now PG13 is looking really good in green.

I was a fan of the deal (trust Brad) from the get and early returns confirm that belief.

the point is how many years left does PG have versus brown?

you cannot do ASSUMPTIONS based on picks way down the road. that is ridiculous. There is nothing absolute with that. you do not know what you will get if anything.

PG is 36 and injury riddled for much of the last few years. This could be PG last good year IF he does not get hurt. tell me how long KG lasted being real good past 36. exactly.

They were not winning with JB either way due to the salary. They were not recreating a 2024 roster with the new rules, so while you can't guarantee the future picks do result in a title, you position yourself with for a possibility you wouldn't get with JB.

I don't think that's right.  It's the propaganda the team put out there, but we had plenty of flexibility to keep JB and build a contender.  I mean, the last two years we've had Tatum and JB/George (on similar contracts) while staying below the luxury tax.  We're basically $23 million below a contender's budget, even with two max contracts.

I base this off of their whole body of work and what it took to get them over the hump. I also do believe PG's game is a better fit as long as he's available.
As for buying the propaganda, this was stated when the new CBA was announce by people like Karalis that 2 max contracts were going to make it a tough go for teams built like that team was in 24. Brown is a good player but not good enough to make up for what they can't have by paying it.

[Goldstar88]

Jaylen finished a -27

I still hated the trade and frankly, IF they were gonna trade him I'd have wanted them to trade him + others for Giannis (didn't realize they'd trade Jaylen anyways even if Giannis fell through). But tonight did feel a bit similar to some of these Game 7s we've seen from Jaylen in the past with the turnovers, poor decisions and subpar defense. When teams put some pressure on him defensively he has trouble, and the C's are capable of doing that too.

Sixers are a loaded team but I also think Embiid is a big part of that. When he's not playing or sits, they are a bit more exposed and Lebron at his age isn't capable of playing center minutes either especially on defense. Frontcourt gets thin fast for them.

we hated the trade because we did not get long term value back. we all wanted giannis. is PG a welcome surprise since he is not who we wanted? yes. but this is real short term especially at his age and injuries.  i canot see brad not shipping PG off to get something in return before he is done for good. that is my deep concern

How did Brad not get back long term value with the Clippers pick?

Giving up Brown AND picks for an older (albeit better) player is the opposite of long term value.

Brad went out and got what he felt was the better fit next to Tatum AND got as valuable a future pick as there is out there. There might not be a single pick I would trade that one for. And now PG13 is looking really good in green.

I was a fan of the deal (trust Brad) from the get and early returns confirm that belief.

the point is how many years left does PG have versus brown?

you cannot do ASSUMPTIONS based on picks way down the road. that is ridiculous. There is nothing absolute with that. you do not know what you will get if anything.

PG is 36 and injury riddled for much of the last few years. This could be PG last good year IF he does not get hurt. tell me how long KG lasted being real good past 36. exactly.

They were not winning with JB either way due to the salary. They were not recreating a 2024 roster with the new rules, so while you can't guarantee the future picks do result in a title, you position yourself with for a possibility you wouldn't get with JB.

I don't think that's right.  It's the propaganda the team put out there, but we had plenty of flexibility to keep JB and build a contender.  I mean, the last two years we've had Tatum and JB/George (on similar contracts) while staying below the luxury tax.  We're basically $23 million below a contender's budget, even with two max contracts.

I base this off of their whole body of work and what it took to get them over the hump. I also do believe PG's game is a better fit as long as he's available.
As for buying the propaganda, this was stated when the new CBA was announce by people like Karalis that 2 max contracts were going to make it a tough go for teams built like that team was in 24. Brown is a good player but not good enough to make up for what they can't have by paying it.

How many teams are going with two supermax contracts right now. One? There?s a reason for that.

[byennie]

Jaylen finished a -27

I still hated the trade and frankly, IF they were gonna trade him I'd have wanted them to trade him + others for Giannis (didn't realize they'd trade Jaylen anyways even if Giannis fell through). But tonight did feel a bit similar to some of these Game 7s we've seen from Jaylen in the past with the turnovers, poor decisions and subpar defense. When teams put some pressure on him defensively he has trouble, and the C's are capable of doing that too.

Sixers are a loaded team but I also think Embiid is a big part of that. When he's not playing or sits, they are a bit more exposed and Lebron at his age isn't capable of playing center minutes either especially on defense. Frontcourt gets thin fast for them.

we hated the trade because we did not get long term value back. we all wanted giannis. is PG a welcome surprise since he is not who we wanted? yes. but this is real short term especially at his age and injuries.  i canot see brad not shipping PG off to get something in return before he is done for good. that is my deep concern

How did Brad not get back long term value with the Clippers pick?

Giving up Brown AND picks for an older (albeit better) player is the opposite of long term value.

Brad went out and got what he felt was the better fit next to Tatum AND got as valuable a future pick as there is out there. There might not be a single pick I would trade that one for. And now PG13 is looking really good in green.

I was a fan of the deal (trust Brad) from the get and early returns confirm that belief.

the point is how many years left does PG have versus brown?

you cannot do ASSUMPTIONS based on picks way down the road. that is ridiculous. There is nothing absolute with that. you do not know what you will get if anything.

PG is 36 and injury riddled for much of the last few years. This could be PG last good year IF he does not get hurt. tell me how long KG lasted being real good past 36. exactly.

They were not winning with JB either way due to the salary. They were not recreating a 2024 roster with the new rules, so while you can't guarantee the future picks do result in a title, you position yourself with for a possibility you wouldn't get with JB.

I don't think that's right.  It's the propaganda the team put out there, but we had plenty of flexibility to keep JB and build a contender.  I mean, the last two years we've had Tatum and JB/George (on similar contracts) while staying below the luxury tax.  We're basically $23 million below a contender's budget, even with two max contracts.

I agree there's some propaganda out there, and the "well if you're just going to pay George" thing can be a short term head scratcher.

That said, as far as roster construction you have to put some weight on the fact that we paid 40% of the cap to Jrue and Porzingis to win our only championship alongside prime Tatum/Brown. You can't have two supermax guys if they need half of the cap also spent on starters alone to contend. Given the number of years we had with that duo, it's not crazy to think they would never get over the top again without expensive sidekicks.

[SparzWizard]

That shot where PG nailed a 3 while Tatum just celebrated with PG in confidence was insane work.

JB left George too much space. Bron's about to get JB traded ahahaha