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Offline jmen788

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If we end up picking 13th, or god forbid 15th... can we get a great wing or big man/rim protector? I want to lie to myself and say yes because a CBS team is a team and every cog fits in, etc.

Could we get Myles Turner at 15? What wings? Thoughts?

Re: Question for Draft Experts: If We Pick 13-15 Can We Get Anyone Good?
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2015, 12:41:46 AM »

Offline celticmania

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Kelly Oubre has as much potential as anyone in this draft and Trey Lyles is a very good basketball player

Re: Question for Draft Experts: If We Pick 13-15 Can We Get Anyone Good?
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2015, 01:10:02 AM »

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If we end up picking 13th, or god forbid 15th... can we get a great wing or big man/rim protector? I want to lie to myself and say yes because a CBS team is a team and every cog fits in, etc.

Could we get Myles Turner at 15? What wings? Thoughts?

Not even close. Myles Turner is a top 6-7 pick. We'd be better off trading the pick honestly..

Re: Question for Draft Experts: If We Pick 13-15 Can We Get Anyone Good?
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we will get a top 10 pick...

Re: Question for Draft Experts: If We Pick 13-15 Can We Get Anyone Good?
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If you want rim protectors, this players might still be available that spot

Amida Brimah
Rakeem Christmas
Motrezl Harrell
Zhou Qi

Guys like Cauley-Stein and Porzingis and Kelly Oubre might still be available.

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Right now it looks like the elite talent ends at 12 but so much can happen from now to the draft.
If the draft were today, I would think at 13 we'd have a good shot at either oubre or Winslow I think both will be good. We could also pray that Stanley Johnson gets hurt or just drops but that's really unlikely I could also see turner dropping to us

I see it as
Oakafor
Towns
Russell
Mudiay
Johnson
Hezonja
WCS
Porzingis
Turner
Oubre
Winslow
Looney
Booker
Harrell

And most of these guys have high potential so I could see us getting a good player

Most importantly we have a lot of assets which will be great for moving up a few spots (say if wcs or Johnson or whoever we like drops to 7-10 we could leap up from 13 or15 with some late 1s and early 2s)

Re: Question for Draft Experts: If We Pick 13-15 Can We Get Anyone Good?
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If we end up picking 13th, or god forbid 15th... can we get a great wing or big man/rim protector? I want to lie to myself and say yes because a CBS team is a team and every cog fits in, etc.

Could we get Myles Turner at 15? What wings? Thoughts?

Not even close. Myles Turner is a top 6-7 pick. We'd be better off trading the pick honestly..

I think with injury history, inconsistent play and lack of post play he may fall down
A lot of teams like Utah and Denver already have their front court set so he could drop to 8-10

Re: Question for Draft Experts: If We Pick 13-15 Can We Get Anyone Good?
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2015, 02:48:28 AM »

Offline BornReady

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If we are at this spot we could try trading down to 15-20 and getting a guy like Christian wood plus an asset

I see turner, oubre potentially dropping

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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2015, 02:50:51 AM »

Offline BornReady

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Right now it looks like the elite talent ends at 12 but so much can happen from now to the draft.
If the draft were today, I would think at 13 we'd have a good shot at either oubre or Winslow I think both will be good. We could also pray that Stanley Johnson gets hurt or just drops but that's really unlikely I could also see turner dropping to us

I see it as
Oakafor
Towns
Russell
Mudiay
Johnson
Hezonja
WCS
Porzingis
Turner
Oubre
Winslow
Looney
Booker
Harrell

And most of these guys have high potential so I could see us getting a good player

Most importantly we have a lot of assets which will be great for moving up a few spots (say if wcs or Johnson or whoever we like drops to 7-10 we could leap up from 13 or15 with some late 1s and early 2s)
I don't see Harrell as an elite prospect
He is undersized and hasn't shown much development from last year
Would be picked in late teens or early 20s rather than top 15 

Re: Question for Draft Experts: If We Pick 13-15 Can We Get Anyone Good?
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2015, 03:03:04 AM »

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Don't consider myself to be a Draft Expert, more a Draft Enthusiast. 8)

If Kevon Looney manages to fall that low he'd probably have the highest upside for a player in that range. There is a good deal of Lanky, PF's coming down the pipeline and it might be smart to draft someone who can match up in terms of length and speed matchup. He's averaging close to a double double (12.3/9.5) and many draft "experts" believe that rebounding is one of the skills that translates best to the NBA game.

Rashad Vaughn is going to shoot up boards if he declares imo. He's a freshman averaging17.8 for UNLV. Smooth game, good athlete, good shooter, (38% from deep) he's either going to get reached for like a Terrance Ross at 8 or fall lower than he should like Eric Bledsoe did at 18th.

Finally I believe Jakob Poetll out of Utah -by way of Austria- will be at least as good as Omer Asik and Bobby Portis might be the player everyone's overlooking because his game isn't flashy and he doesn't play for Kentucky, Duke or Kansas. Also if Montrezl Harrel becomes as good as Kenneth Faried that'd be an excellent pick around 15, Faried himself remember was taken 22nd and is now a fringe max player.
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Division 1 Freshman Scorers this season.

D'Angelo Russell   Ohio State   19.4
Jahlil Okafor   Duke   18.0
Rashad Vaughn   UNLV   17.8

Catch is that unfortunately he just tore the meniscus in his left knee. He's out for a few weeks at least.. "although the school hopes he can return by the Mountain West Conference tournament next month."

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12316965/rashad-vaughn-unlv-rebels-indefinitely-left-knee-injury

Re: Question for Draft Experts: If We Pick 13-15 Can We Get Anyone Good?
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2015, 03:43:02 AM »

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A couple things:

Firstly, the odds that we pick 13th are very low.  That means that a) we somehow pass Phoenix or New Orleans in the standings while missing the playoffs, or that the one of the 13th or 14th teams jumps in the lottery.  Given that we're 6.5 games behind Phoenix and 7 games behind New Orleans, but 1.5 games out of the playoffs, it seems quite unlikely that occurs.   Meanwhile the odds of one of those teams jumping up in the lottery is less than 4%.  Accordingly, if we miss the playoffs, we're likely to finish no worse than 12th.  I think it's a virtual certainty we can get someone at 12 who's got star potential.

So the real question is can we get someone good at 15 or 16?  One name that gets knocked down on this board is Frank Kaminsky.  There are valid concerns about his athleticism and the fact he's a college senior -- in some sense he feels like Kelly Olynyk round 2.  But Kaminsky is a great example of the modern NBA center.  He can stretch the defense to the perimeter on offense and is a good passer out of the high post, but at the same time is a capable interior defender (which is how he is significantly different than Olynyk,) and also a very good rebounder (#1 in the Big 10 in defensive rebounding).  He's not Willie Cauley-Stein defensively, but he's not a liability either on that end.  It wouldn't surprise me at all if he winds up going in the 10-12 range for the reasons I just mentioned, which would push a Celticsblog favorite down a spot, but if he's there at 15, he's a very good choice.

Another college senior who could push an underclassmen down a peg is Jerian Grant, a PG from Notre Dame.  Given his position, I'm less interested in him as a Celtic, although he hails from Silver Spring, MD, of which I'm a proud resident, so I guess he's got that going.  He's a passing PG who can also get his own points, and gets to the line with some frequency.  His outside shot is not a true weapon, although good enough to keep defenses honest.  He's solid defensively as well.  He's arguably the best PG in the draft, depending what position you think Mudiay and Russell will end up as pros.  (Probably #2 PG behind Mudaiy is how most would rate him.)  He doesn't have the ceiling of some of the other draftees, but if you were handicapping which player could be ROY next year, Grant should be one of your first choices.  Grant could be one of only two PG taken in the first round (Mudaiy being the other), which means he a) could come off the board a little earlier than projected, and/or b) be the type of player a team is willing to trade up to get, especially since he's the most NBA-ready at his position.  He seems like a player Houston would be interested in at 13 or 14, for instance, given that Beverley is a restricted free agent.  Indiana, if they pick at the end of the lottery, is another viable destination.

Anyway, I think there are definitely viable options going down to 15, and it is very easy to imagine that the player the Celtics would draft at 12 could still be there at 15.  #Team8thSeed

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If you want rim protectors, this players might still be available that spot

Amida Brimah
Rakeem Christmas
Motrezl Harrell
Zhou Qi

Guys like Cauley-Stein and Porzingis and Kelly Oubre might still be available.

FYI, I haven't seen Christmas projected in the top 40 of the draft, forget 15.  Yes, that makes him available, but he's not a viable option there.

Re: Question for Draft Experts: If We Pick 13-15 Can We Get Anyone Good?
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We'll take the best player available.

Guys I'd take at 13,14,15 would be:

Cauley Stein and Winslow (almost no chance they're still there but he's my 'lucky' pick)...if possible we could trade the Clippers pick or a Brooklyn pick to move up and get Cauley Stein around 8 or 9 if we still (unlikely) around.
DX or NBAdraft.net has Porzingis at around 12 or 13 but as I mentioned in another thread, I seriously doubt he lasts that long because he's got franchise caliber player potential available.

More likely options at 13,14, 15 would be:
Montrzl Harris
Kevin Looney
Caris Levert
Portis

I don't like Looney, Turner or Kaminski and hope we stay the hell away!

In the 2nd round I'd grab Rakeem Christmas and Chris Walker to start with.

But to answer your question...
it becomes less likely that the player we select is an NBA rotation player as we move out of the top 10 picks. But Danny is good at identifying solid players amongst the sea of uncertainty in the mid first round.



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No-one really knows. You can get Pierce at 10, Rondo at 21, or Michael Olowokandi at 1.
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