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Look to the offseason
« on: February 20, 2015, 08:44:17 AM »

Offline Msimonetta2

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I have us with 46.6 million in salary including two first round picks and one second just for this exercise.  That leaves us 20 million in space, not sure how that works with relinquishing cap holds, but let us say we have enough money to offer one max type deal.  So we could add a player via offering a RFA big money, attempt to sign FA, or use rondo trade exception of 12.9 million.  Who do you want?  Is there anyway OKC considers trading Ibaka?  I think Butler and Draymond Green are out and RFA is something to rule out because of upcoming cap spike.  Any ideas?

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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2015, 08:57:13 AM »

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I want Kawhi or Tobias Harris, but their teams won't let them leave, unfortunately (both RFA). I don't think Gasol will leave Memphis. And I don't waste my time dreaming of Love, Aldridge or DeAndre.
It's nice seeing him get exposed as overrated after having argued with fellow fans for years that he was overrated.. but I don't hate him. I'm looking forward to seeing him [...] bounce around to a couple more teams... eventually come back to Boston[...] and helps us as a role player until he runs himself out of the league.
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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2015, 10:33:29 AM »

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I think the first target should be Monroe. He's young, we actually have a chance of signing him and hes a big that has not even scratched his full potential.

I wonder if we signed Monroe if Hibbert would be interested in coming along with his buddy in a sign and trade? Would Indy do a S&T centered around Sully, Wallaces expiring and a pick? Dont see why not.

Then draft Winslow or Stanley Johnson and you look like this:

Monroe/Olynyk
Johnson-Winslow/Turner/Crowder
Hibbert/Zeller
Smart/Young
Thomas/Bradley

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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2015, 10:54:18 AM »

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If I'm Danny, I'm offering max contracts to a restricted free agent then telling their teams that I will pay draft picks in a sign and trade so they don't match. We might have enough assets to convince a team to not match on Butler, Kawhi, or Green.

I think if that doesn't work the C's will offer Greg Monroe the max (with the cap exploding it won't look so bad in a year), then also pick up someone who can shoot and play the 3 position.
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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2015, 10:58:52 AM »

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I think the first target should be Monroe. He's young, we actually have a chance of signing him and hes a big that has not even scratched his full potential.

I wonder if we signed Monroe if Hibbert would be interested in coming along with his buddy in a sign and trade? Would Indy do a S&T centered around Sully, Wallaces expiring and a pick? Dont see why not.


Here's your first TP..welcome.

I've been a big proponent of getting the Hoya boys together for awhile. Monroe and Hibbert would compliment each other tremendously.

Even if we can't get Hibbert, Monroe would be my first order of business.

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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2015, 11:07:49 AM »

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Thank you for not implying Monroe is a center, pet peeve of mine.  Well if we went after Monroe, we'd have to do something with sully right? 

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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2015, 11:21:20 AM »

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I expect DA to have a rather underwhelming off-season. With the Knicks and Laker both looking to add talent I expect the market to be a mess. The big names LA, Butler, Leonard, Gasol and now Dragic are all likely to stay put. Love may move and that will be interesting. Second tier guys like Jackson, Monroe and D Green are going to be looking at big paydays.

I tend to think that DA will role out a similar team to what we have right now plus the two first round picks.   
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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2015, 11:32:09 AM »

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If I'm Danny, I'm offering max contracts to a restricted free agent then telling their teams that I will pay draft picks in a sign and trade so they don't match. We might have enough assets to convince a team to not match on Butler, Kawhi, or Green.

I think if that doesn't work the C's will offer Greg Monroe the max (with the cap exploding it won't look so bad in a year), then also pick up someone who can shoot and play the 3 position.

First part I like.. We would just have to hope they would want to play here especially if they are offered a max by another team.. Leonard or Butler would make a great cornerstone piece

As far as Monroe stay away from the max.. hes a one trick pony.. I would rather wait a year and offer it to Drummond


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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2015, 11:50:24 AM »

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If I'm Danny, I'm offering max contracts to a restricted free agent then telling their teams that I will pay draft picks in a sign and trade so they don't match. We might have enough assets to convince a team to not match on Butler, Kawhi, or Green.
so basically use up all the cap space on one player just starting to show they're good AND give up our draft picks?   I believe the appropriate term here is "shooting oneself in the foot"

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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2015, 11:52:19 AM »

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If I'm Danny, I'm offering max contracts to a restricted free agent then telling their teams that I will pay draft picks in a sign and trade so they don't match. We might have enough assets to convince a team to not match on Butler, Kawhi, or Green.

I think if that doesn't work the C's will offer Greg Monroe the max (with the cap exploding it won't look so bad in a year), then also pick up someone who can shoot and play the 3 position.

First part I like.. We would just have to hope they would want to play here especially if they are offered a max by another team.. Leonard or Butler would make a great cornerstone piece

As far as Monroe stay away from the max.. hes a one trick pony.. I would rather wait a year and offer it to Drummond

I like the strategy of offering up draftpicks to grab restricted guys. Although I dont believe Monroe is a one trick Pony, his inability to play good D and his lack of a jumpshot would make it difficult to find a center who complements him ie can play D and hit a midrange J (Myles Turner?)

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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2015, 12:19:38 PM »

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I have a feeling Detroit will pay Monroe big dollars to try to keep him. Since the dumping of Smith, that team has showed some positive signs. There reloading rather than rebuilding for sure. So we may have to pony up for Monroe.

If he's not a center, and we still like Sully's up side, we should concentrate on a suitable center. 

(If you feel Sully will not be able to defend his position, or get in shape, that's a different story completely.)

I say Max deal for D. Jordan. Max deal for Gasol. At least try.

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I have a feeling Detroit will pay Monroe big dollars to try to keep him. Since the dumping of Smith, that team has showed some positive signs. There reloading rather than rebuilding for sure. So we may have to pony up for Monroe.

If he's not a center, and we still like Sully's up side, we should concentrate on a suitable center. 

(If you feel Sully will not be able to defend his position, or get in shape, that's a different story completely.)

I say Max deal for D. Jordan. Max deal for Gasol. At least try.


Danny's brilliant scouting dept ....will draft another Fab Melo .......pass on all the Plumlee Zeller types ....and he'll get all crazy over some more short guards .......

So well just have a team of 15 guards .  ....SMH

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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2015, 01:03:14 PM »

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I have us with 46.6 million in salary including two first round picks and one second just for this exercise.  That leaves us 20 million in space, not sure how that works with relinquishing cap holds, but let us say we have enough money to offer one max type deal.  So we could add a player via offering a RFA big money, attempt to sign FA, or use rondo trade exception of 12.9 million.  Who do you want?  Is there anyway OKC considers trading Ibaka?  I think Butler and Draymond Green are out and RFA is something to rule out because of upcoming cap spike.  Any ideas?

Are you sure about the Celts only having 20 mil in cap space next year? I thought the Celts were suppose to have north of 30 mil in cap space next year.

Why is it every year we end up having less cap space than I am led on to believe?

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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2015, 01:04:30 PM »

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I have a feeling Detroit will pay Monroe big dollars to try to keep him. Since the dumping of Smith, that team has showed some positive signs. There reloading rather than rebuilding for sure. So we may have to pony up for Monroe.

If he's not a center, and we still like Sully's up side, we should concentrate on a suitable center. 

(If you feel Sully will not be able to defend his position, or get in shape, that's a different story completely.)

I say Max deal for D. Jordan. Max deal for Gasol. At least try.
I think the Pistons will try to add a stretch four like Draymond Green (who is from Saginaw, Michigan) because Van Gundy prefers one athletic big men surrounded by shooters.

In any event we an offer as much money as the Pistons and Monroe is an unrestricted free agent so it doesn't really matter what Detroit wants in this situation.

DeAndre has said he won't play anywhere cold and Gasol certainly isn't signing here.
If I'm Danny, I'm offering max contracts to a restricted free agent then telling their teams that I will pay draft picks in a sign and trade so they don't match. We might have enough assets to convince a team to not match on Butler, Kawhi, or Green.
so basically use up all the cap space on one player just starting to show they're good AND give up our draft picks?   I believe the appropriate term here is "shooting oneself in the foot"
We should absolutely use our cap space this summer before the salary cap explodes the year after. It is set to jump nearly $24 MM by 2016, with most teams having salary cap that year there really isn't any reason to save the cap space.

We can give up draft picks without giving up any of the good draft picks.
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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2015, 01:13:03 PM »

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I have a feeling Detroit will pay Monroe big dollars to try to keep him. Since the dumping of Smith, that team has showed some positive signs. There reloading rather than rebuilding for sure. So we may have to pony up for Monroe.

If he's not a center, and we still like Sully's up side, we should concentrate on a suitable center. 

(If you feel Sully will not be able to defend his position, or get in shape, that's a different story completely.)

I say Max deal for D. Jordan. Max deal for Gasol. At least try.


Danny's brilliant scouting dept ....will draft another Fab Melo .......pass on all the Plumlee Zeller types ....and he'll get all crazy over some more short guards .......

So well just have a team of 15 guards .  ....SMH

Danny has a pretty decent record in the Draft:

2014   1.6   Marcus Smart
           1.17   James Young
2013   1.13   Kelly Olynyk
2012   1.21   Jared Sullinger
           1.22   Fab Melo
2011    1.27   Jajuan Johnson
2010   1.19   Avery Bradley
2008   1.30   JR Giddens
2007    1.5   Traded for Ray Allen
            2.5    Glenn Davis**
2006    1.21   Rajon Rondo
2005   1.18   Gerald Green*
           2.20   Ryan Gomes*
2004   1.15   Al Jefferson*
           1.24   Delonte West
           1.25   Tony Allen
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**= also aquired in Ray Allen deal

He has some busts, but he has been in the top 10 2x and got Smart once and Allen and Big Baby for the pick Szczerbiak and Delonte. from 10-15 hes had two picks and grabbed Big Al and KO. After that hes hit or miss but he has gotten Rondo, Sully, TA, Bradley, Big Baby, and Delonte if you count him. That offsets Green,  Giddens, Johnson, Melo in my oppinion.

hes made the most of precious few opportunities in the top 15 and hes been 50-50 outside of it.

Considering we will be top 15 this year and Brooklyn will probably be top 15 the next 2-3 years we arent in bad shape