Celtics emerging as contender for dragic

[nacceltic]

At the very least, I'd like to see the Celtics involved here as a facilitator...I know some are tired of that angle, but it makes so much sense here.

Dragic wants to go to NY, LA or Miami according to reports. I'm not sure those teams have what Phoenix wants...This could be all an angle by McDonough and Ainge to get the Celtics at the table as part of a bigger deal.

Here's the ultimate question: Would you deal the Clippers 1st round pick, if it meant ridding yourself of the Wallace contract and helping another Eastern Conference team acquire Dragic? If I'm the Celtics and could throw in the Clips pick to alleviate the strain of Wallace's contract, it's worth doing.

There is no way I give up any type of first or second rounder to rid ourselves of Wallace's contract. Better to leave him where he is and teach the kids about work ethic and effort. Save him for trade deadline next year or just let him come off the books after next season

So, keeping a 1st round pick that will likely be in the 18-23 range and Wallace as a mentor "to teach the kids" is worth more to you than the possibility of signing two max guys this summer? Interesting. Guess we'll agree to disagree, especially knowing the C's have 1,000 other 1st round picks in the next 3-4 years.

Danny could always deal Wallace (with a late first/Philly second) in the offseason if we need the cap space to sign two max players, but why give up assets now for a (very slim) chance that we convince two max players to sign with us?  Better to use that pick to get someone like Dragic, draft someone, or trade up in the draft

Dealing Wallace would not be so simple in other scenarios, see: Bass & Thornton right now...Expiring contracts aren't worth nearly as much as they were 3-4 years ago. I'd pull the trigger on the 1st and AB or w/e for Dragic...But, if that's not possible, then I would help facilitate the deal to drop Wallace's contract off the books to create more space for this summer.

[Eja117]

If the Suns get anything good for Dragic I'm gonna puke because it's the exact same situation as Rondo only Rondo is historically a lot better. We should offer them virtually nothing, just like they offered us. He has specifically stated he wants to be in other places. Offer 2nd rounders and a trade exception or something

Over the last two seasons Dragic has been a much better player than Rondo, not close really...

Without a doubt

I must've missed the part where Dragic was getting all these rebs and assists and leading his team deep in the playoffs or something.

And when exactly has that happened recently? Not talking ancient history here. Today, Dragic is a clear upgrade. Not even close.

Exactly. Andrew Bynum was really good back then too.

Back when?

[Eddie20]

If the Suns get anything good for Dragic I'm gonna puke because it's the exact same situation as Rondo only Rondo is historically a lot better. We should offer them virtually nothing, just like they offered us. He has specifically stated he wants to be in other places. Offer 2nd rounders and a trade exception or something

Over the last two seasons Dragic has been a much better player than Rondo, not close really...

Without a doubt

I must've missed the part where Dragic was getting all these rebs and assists and leading his team deep in the playoffs or something.

And when exactly has that happened recently? Not talking ancient history here. Today, Dragic is a clear upgrade. Not even close.

Exactly. Andrew Bynum was really good back then too.

Back when?

When Rondo was in the playoffs...like you said.

[Endless Paradise]

At the very least, I'd like to see the Celtics involved here as a facilitator...I know some are tired of that angle, but it makes so much sense here.

Dragic wants to go to NY, LA or Miami according to reports. I'm not sure those teams have what Phoenix wants...This could be all an angle by McDonough and Ainge to get the Celtics at the table as part of a bigger deal.

Here's the ultimate question: Would you deal the Clippers 1st round pick, if it meant ridding yourself of the Wallace contract and helping another Eastern Conference team acquire Dragic? If I'm the Celtics and could throw in the Clips pick to alleviate the strain of Wallace's contract, it's worth doing.

There is no way I give up any type of first or second rounder to rid ourselves of Wallace's contract. Better to leave him where he is and teach the kids about work ethic and effort. Save him for trade deadline next year or just let him come off the books after next season

So, keeping a 1st round pick that will likely be in the 18-23 range and Wallace as a mentor "to teach the kids" is worth more to you than the possibility of signing two max guys this summer? Interesting. Guess we'll agree to disagree, especially knowing the C's have 1,000 other 1st round picks in the next 3-4 years.

Danny could always deal Wallace (with a late first/Philly second) in the offseason if we need the cap space to sign two max players, but why give up assets now for a (very slim) chance that we convince two max players to sign with us?  Better to use that pick to get someone like Dragic, draft someone, or trade up in the draft

Dealing Wallace would not be so simple in other scenarios, see: Bass & Thornton right now...Expiring contracts aren't worth nearly as much as they were 3-4 years ago. I'd pull the trigger on the 1st and AB or w/e for Dragic...But, if that's not possible, then I would help facilitate the deal to drop Wallace's contract off the books to create more space for this summer.

I believe BitterJim (who has a very unfortunate abbreviation ) is aware of that, hence why he suggested trading Wallace's expiring along with a draft pick.  The expiring in itself is useless to most teams.

[Eja117]

If the Suns get anything good for Dragic I'm gonna puke because it's the exact same situation as Rondo only Rondo is historically a lot better. We should offer them virtually nothing, just like they offered us. He has specifically stated he wants to be in other places. Offer 2nd rounders and a trade exception or something

Over the last two seasons Dragic has been a much better player than Rondo, not close really...

Without a doubt

I must've missed the part where Dragic was getting all these rebs and assists and leading his team deep in the playoffs or something.

And when exactly has that happened recently? Not talking ancient history here. Today, Dragic is a clear upgrade. Not even close.

Exactly. Andrew Bynum was really good back then too.

Back when?

When Rondo was in the playoffs...like you said.

What has Dragic done in the playoffs? What have the Suns done? Ever.....

[Eddie20]

If the Suns get anything good for Dragic I'm gonna puke because it's the exact same situation as Rondo only Rondo is historically a lot better. We should offer them virtually nothing, just like they offered us. He has specifically stated he wants to be in other places. Offer 2nd rounders and a trade exception or something

Over the last two seasons Dragic has been a much better player than Rondo, not close really...

Without a doubt

I must've missed the part where Dragic was getting all these rebs and assists and leading his team deep in the playoffs or something.

And when exactly has that happened recently? Not talking ancient history here. Today, Dragic is a clear upgrade. Not even close.

Exactly. Andrew Bynum was really good back then too.

Back when?

When Rondo was in the playoffs...like you said.

What has Dragic done in the playoffs? What have the Suns done? Ever.....

You're living in the past. Things change. The league has changed and there is now a precedence on spacing. Rondos value has decreased as a result.

[TwinTower14]

If the Suns get anything good for Dragic I'm gonna puke because it's the exact same situation as Rondo only Rondo is historically a lot better. We should offer them virtually nothing, just like they offered us. He has specifically stated he wants to be in other places. Offer 2nd rounders and a trade exception or something

Over the last two seasons Dragic has been a much better player than Rondo, not close really...

Without a doubt

I must've missed the part where Dragic was getting all these rebs and assists and leading his team deep in the playoffs or something.

And when exactly has that happened recently? Not talking ancient history here. Today, Dragic is a clear upgrade. Not even close.

Exactly. Andrew Bynum was really good back then too.

Back when?

When Rondo was in the playoffs...like you said.

What has Dragic done in the playoffs? What have the Suns done? Ever.....

Just because Dragic hasn't done it, means he can't?  Dragic wasn't blessed to play with 3 HOF'ers like Rondo was...

Today - February 18th 2015 - Dragic is a better player and it's not that close....

[Fafnir]

I think all the reasons for wanting to move Rondo apply to argue for not trading for Dragic.

You can make a case for both but I don't think you can logically argue to move Rondo and then immediately give up the assets you got for Rondo (potentially more) to get Dragic. Dragic just hasn't been that impactful of a player.

I still think we're just leverage for the Suns.

[Donoghus]

I think all the reasons for wanting to move Rondo apply to argue for not trading for Dragic.

You can make a case for both but I don't think you can logically argue to move Rondo and then immediately give up the assets you got for Rondo (potentially more) to get Dragic. Dragic just hasn't been that impactful of a player.

I still think we're just leverage for the Suns.

Stop being rational.  That has no place here.

[Fafnir]

Today - February 18th 2015 - Dragic is a better player and it's not that close....

Dragic isn't above the "meh" zone of top 10 to 15ish Pgs that people put Rondo in. He's not a clear all-star or all-nba level caliber player. Same risk of FA applies as well.

Unless the "fit" is sooooo far superior to what Rondo brought I don't see what this wheeling and dealing accomplishs. Save that Ainge would rather have a rental then his full 10(?) likely first round picks the next few years.

I guess people think Dragic's true impact will be greater if given the ball more.

[GratefulCs]

If the Suns get anything good for Dragic I'm gonna puke because it's the exact same situation as Rondo only Rondo is historically a lot better. We should offer them virtually nothing, just like they offered us. He has specifically stated he wants to be in other places. Offer 2nd rounders and a trade exception or something

Over the last two seasons Dragic has been a much better player than Rondo, not close really...

Without a doubt

I must've missed the part where Dragic was getting all these rebs and assists and leading his team deep in the playoffs or something.

And when exactly has that happened recently? Not talking ancient history here. Today, Dragic is a clear upgrade. Not even close.

Exactly. Andrew Bynum was really good back then too.

Back when?

When Rondo was in the playoffs...like you said.

What has Dragic done in the playoffs? What have the Suns done? Ever.....

Well, to be fair, the suns were in the greatest game ever played


3 overtimes and a Celtics victory 

[CoachBo]

Than a player who can't shoot and admits he doesn't care to defend? Yeah, Dragic is an upgrade.

[Jonny CC]

If the Suns get anything good for Dragic I'm gonna puke because it's the exact same situation as Rondo only Rondo is historically a lot better. We should offer them virtually nothing, just like they offered us. He has specifically stated he wants to be in other places. Offer 2nd rounders and a trade exception or something

Over the last two seasons Dragic has been a much better player than Rondo, not close really...

Without a doubt

I must've missed the part where Dragic was getting all these rebs and assists and leading his team deep in the playoffs or something.

And when exactly has that happened recently? Not talking ancient history here. Today, Dragic is a clear upgrade. Not even close.

Exactly. Andrew Bynum was really good back then too.

Back when?

When Rondo was in the playoffs...like you said.

What has Dragic done in the playoffs? What have the Suns done? Ever.....

Just because Dragic hasn't done it, means he can't?  Dragic wasn't blessed to play with 3 HOF'ers like Rondo was...

Today - February 18th 2015 - Dragic is a better player and it's not that close....

Totally agree.  Dragic > Rondo ...all day, every day.   

[Eja117]

If the Suns get anything good for Dragic I'm gonna puke because it's the exact same situation as Rondo only Rondo is historically a lot better. We should offer them virtually nothing, just like they offered us. He has specifically stated he wants to be in other places. Offer 2nd rounders and a trade exception or something

Over the last two seasons Dragic has been a much better player than Rondo, not close really...

Without a doubt

I must've missed the part where Dragic was getting all these rebs and assists and leading his team deep in the playoffs or something.

And when exactly has that happened recently? Not talking ancient history here. Today, Dragic is a clear upgrade. Not even close.

Exactly. Andrew Bynum was really good back then too.

Back when?

When Rondo was in the playoffs...like you said.

What has Dragic done in the playoffs? What have the Suns done? Ever.....

Well, to be fair, the suns were in the greatest game ever played


3 overtimes and a Celtics victory 

I am aware of 20th century history, thank you very much

[MJohnnyboy]

Regardless of opinion, I think it's becoming more and more apparent that a deal is getting done either today or tomorrow. To where I don't know, but Dragic has gone on record to saying he doesn't trust Phoenix's front office anymore. This won't end well between the two sides.