Structuring an offer for J. Butler in the offseason

[SHAQATTACK]

A good manager gets your team a good player before he becomes famous.
Danny is now looking for the guy who will be the new J.Butler in two years time lol

That's exactly right .

Finding the Diamond before it is polished .  Trade it for more assets.

It's the thrill of the hunt ....that drives Danny.....poking around in every hole trying to find a bargain .

That's why draft picks are important ......get enough bullets .....maybe one is a bullseye .

[playdream]

No for Butler
My biggest concern is his health
It's said that he is an iron-man but the Bulls apparently overused him
I am afraid it's time to pay the debts and i don't want to be that guy

[Endless Paradise]

He's 25 years old and not even yet in his athletic prime, yet you think he's used up his usefulness? 

[saltlover]

Chicago will match anything, almost assuredly.  The best option would be to make it an option after year 1 so he could sign a new contract after the cap goes up.  I'd still bet Chicago matches, but that would be the only thing that could give them pause in my opinion.

yes, but by the same token it might very well give the celtics pause as well.

however, this is very much the sort of deal players in butler's position will probably be seeking - short term contracts that allow them to jump into the new salary pool as soon as possible.

i am curious how ainge will navigate these waters.

It shouldn't really give the Celtics pause.  They have the cap room and the alternative is to spend it on lesser players.  If you're able to sign Butler, there's a chance you keep him.  If the Bulls lock him up, that's it.

The following year they should offer him a long-term deal with an option after year 2, giving him the chance to opt out after there's a new CBA and when the Celtics will have full Bird rights.  That series of deals can maximize his income, and maximizing income is how you get a player to leave a winning team for a not-yet-winning team.

[Msimonetta2]

Wow surprised some would not offer Butler the max.  To those that hope Danny can find the next Butler in two years time....you are more optimistic than I  I suppose I was dreaming with this thread anyways, all Chicago has to do is find a taker for Gibson this off season which shouldn't be too tough. 

[droopdog7]

Wow surprised some would not offer Butler the max.  To those that hope Danny can find the next Butler in two years time....you are more optimistic than I  I suppose I was dreaming with this thread anyways, all Chicago has to do is find a taker for Gibson this off season which shouldn't be too tough.

Butler is not a franchise player.  Worst thing you can do I overpay for a guy just to get a guy.  Ask the pistons how signing good players for great money worked out for them. 

The best teams have the best players and/or are not overpaying guys.

[obnoxiousmime]

Wow surprised some would not offer Butler the max.  To those that hope Danny can find the next Butler in two years time....you are more optimistic than I  I suppose I was dreaming with this thread anyways, all Chicago has to do is find a taker for Gibson this off season which shouldn't be too tough.

Butler is not a franchise player.  Worst thing you can do I overpay for a guy just to get a guy.  Ask the pistons how signing good players for great money worked out for them. 

The best teams have the best players and/or are not overpaying guys.

Yes, but when the salary cap goes up it may not be considered an overpay. Butler also plays a position that is shallow around the league.

The cap suddenly rising 20 million/year is not going to benefit teams that are still trying to obtain stars. It will benefit teams that already have stars because they won't have cap pressure and they can even add an extra star with the sudden cap space. That is why it could be argued the best strategy from now thru the offseason for the Celtics is to do whatever is necessary to secure stars or at the very least competent players on the roster before every team in the league suddenly has cap space.

Of course, other teams know this and that is why all the top FAs will be kept by their original teams even if they have to pay the luxury tax one year to do it. The Celtics won't be in the running for any of the top guys like Green, Dragic, Butler, Millsap, Jordan etc. They have to either clearly overpay for somebody (Kanter at the max, anybody?), spread the money around to multiple smaller FAs, not spend the money, or work the trade market.

That is what I think they're doing with Lawson. He doesn't fit a rebuild but he's an asset that they thought maybe Denver was looking to sell low on. The other possibility is that someone becomes so disgruntled that they force their way to a trade. That should be what Celtics fans are hoping for because in terms of draft picks the Celts can outbid most teams.

[byennie]

Yes, but when the salary cap goes up it may not be considered an overpay. Butler also plays a position that is shallow around the league.

The cap suddenly rising 20 million/year is not going to benefit teams that are still trying to obtain stars. It will benefit teams that already have stars because they won't have cap pressure and they can even add an extra star with the sudden cap space. That is why it could be argued the best strategy from now thru the offseason for the Celtics is to do whatever is necessary to secure stars or at the very least competent players on the roster before every team in the league suddenly has cap space.

Of course, other teams know this and that is why all the top FAs will be kept by their original teams even if they have to pay the luxury tax one year to do it. The Celtics won't be in the running for any of the top guys like Green, Dragic, Butler, Millsap, Jordan etc. They have to either clearly overpay for somebody (Kanter at the max, anybody?), spread the money around to multiple smaller FAs, not spend the money, or work the trade market.

That is what I think they're doing with Lawson. He doesn't fit a rebuild but he's an asset that they thought maybe Denver was looking to sell low on. The other possibility is that someone becomes so disgruntled that they force their way to a trade. That should be what Celtics fans are hoping for because in terms of draft picks the Celts can outbid most teams.

This.

This is why I suggested in the Cousins thread that we move Bradley + Zeller plus as many picks as it takes (I suggested including Wallace and 5x 1st rounders). Sacramento gets to say they got a historic haul, and the Cs get a franchise domino.

With the current cap situation, you can sign a "Big 3" for $50M in a league that will have an $80M cap soon after. But you have to do it now, and the hardest part is getting the 1st player.

Cousins + J Butler + D Green for $50M, with 5 good players (Smart, Sullinger, Young, Olynyk, #1 pick) on rookie contracts? Yes please. We'd have a title contender AND room for another max deal when the cap goes up. At that point I don't think you're worried about how Jimmy Butler isn't as good as LeBron.