Danny and Giannis

[tazzmaniac]

That ship has sailed ....new day .....

I'm satisfied with KO ."you are not ...that's fine ......move on.

What would you have Danny do?  Do you want a public shaming ......I don't get the beating a dead horse .  Right or wrong it's done.....already 

Serious grow up.

Lol, amen.  Kelly's stats are very similar 11/5 vs 12/6.  Kelly may be a little more awkward, but I'm satisfied.

I'm hoping this debate rages for years, as it will mean that KO And GA are close in poductivity and value.

I think that's actually a fairly likely scenario, too.

I doubt it.  GA has already established himself as a NBA starter in his 2nd season just having turned 20.  He is still raw though and I expect to see significant development over the next couple years.  The comparisons between KO and GA ignore the defensive side of the ball.  KO is a terrible defender and needs to make significant improvement before I'd consider starting him.  I think GA is clearly the better player now and almost certainly will be in the future. 

Here's a good article on GA. 
http://www.nba.com/2015/news/features/steve_aschburner/02/11/all-star-2014-giannis-antetokounmpo-milwaukee-bucks-emerging-as-bona-fide-nba-star/index.html

KO is already not a terrible defender. He's got the highest net +/- on the team this year and by Basketball Reference's formula is tied with Wallace for the best defensive rating on the team--despite still learning and playing out of position down low as a C.

But yeah, I think there's less question that Giannis is going to be very good and he's younger and more valuable right now.

We would have been better off if Danny had taken him.

I actually think the best chance for KO to succeed is at C.  He needs to add another 20lbs and get stronger and more aggressive.  I think +/- is a garbage stat.  As far as defensive rating, the nba.com site shows KO with a defensive rating of 109.3 in 13 games as starter and 101.2 in 27 games from the bench.  So has he actually improved much or is he just benefiting from defending less skilled offensive players?   

[Ogaju]

anyone that does not think GA will be a star in the NBA has not watched his game. He has 'star' written all over him.

[hwangjini_1]

anyone that does not think GA will be a star in the NBA has not watched his game. He has 'star' written all over him.

too bad this wasnt etched upon his forehead 2 years ago, right?

at the end of the day, this thread is premature. and, ainge made a choice to go with a high-floor guy since he deemed the risks surrounding antetokounmpo to be significant. ainge made a an understandable choice in those circumstances.

now, i am more concerned and focused upon how olly performs than how a player from another team performs.

[SHAQATTACK]

Danny should see his doctor about that Giannis

I m sure it hurts

[slightly biased bias fan]

He actually trade for Olynyk he didn't pass on Giannis, boston's pick was after bucks

Great point! TP

Not really--he traded up in order to get KO, and could have at that time taken Giannis instead.

The trade was made after the selection, people are assuming that Danny chose not to trade for Giannis but he may have asked to trade for Giannis first and the bucks said no, I think its silly to just assume he made a bad decision without knowing all the facts

[Sixth Man]

He actually trade for Olynyk he didn't pass on Giannis, boston's pick was after bucks

Great point! TP

Not really--he traded up in order to get KO, and could have at that time taken Giannis instead.

The trade was made after the selection, people are assuming that Danny chose not to trade for Giannis but he may have asked to trade for Giannis first and the bucks said no, I think its silly to just assume he made a bad decision without knowing all the facts

Agree 100%.  This is just another gambit from a wind-up merchant...

[jsingh1699]

Sure we missed out on GA that year, but so did a lot of other teams. it happens.

think about the rondo draft. 20 teams passed on him, and then we took him with the phx pick. i'm sure 2 years later, people on the suns blog website were having this same thread about rondo.

other fan sites also had this thread when they missed out on al Jefferson in the 20s, or even paul pierce at 10 (tractor trailer went before him mind you). heck even leon powe his rookie year! im sure watching the finals, threads got started about why he wasn't drafted by their team!

I think overall ainge does a pretty good job in the draft. hes yet to draft a superstar, but he does not strike out as much as the majority of the nba in the draft.

[tazzmaniac]

He actually trade for Olynyk he didn't pass on Giannis, boston's pick was after bucks

Great point! TP

Not really--he traded up in order to get KO, and could have at that time taken Giannis instead.

The trade was made after the selection, people are assuming that Danny chose not to trade for Giannis but he may have asked to trade for Giannis first and the bucks said no, I think its silly to just assume he made a bad decision without knowing all the facts

Boston and Dallas had already agreed to the trade before the selection but because of the trade rules Dallas had to make the selection for Boston and vice versa.  If Ainge had wanted GA, he would have had Dallas draft him with the 13th pick.   

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1687226-celtics-reportedly-draft-kelly-olynyk-after-trading-for-mavericks-no-13-pick

[greece66]

Giannis was a lottery ticket. During the draft he was a full two inches smaller and had been playing in the Greek third second division. There is no way any GM could have looked at him and know with any sort of confidence that he'd be a success.

Unfortunately for us it turns out that he's a lottery ticket that paid off. Still, just because someone else hit the jackpot doesn't mean you criticize the guy that decided he'd rather have a dozen eggs and some milk to last himself through the week instead.

Fixed.
Do not underestimate our divisions man lol